Non-American ammo manufactures that produce big bore ammo?

[dlmac]

We're all adults here, we know that these are not the real reason these tariffs are being imposed. That's just the cover.

The tariffs are in place are for political bargaining chips. Mexico figured it out very quickly.

 

[dlmac]

Like the man said, Back on Topic.
I have really been thinking about a small company making ammunitions for classic calibers, not the new whiz, sexy, got to have it crowd. In hunting dead is dead, can't be any more dead. So, what would it cost for a group like AH members to start a company for selected medium and large bore ammunition?

 

[coreydb]

The tariffs are on a 30 day pause, but the Canadian PM stepped up to the plate with the US.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Far less than that. 43lbs in 2024 at the northern border vs just under 22,000lbs at the southern border.

So ... is it worth it to throw the stock market into chaos because of 43 lbs of fentanyl over 12 months? That's what ... less than 3.5 lbs per month. Oh my! Makes no sense. Like appointing an anti-vax nut to run the Dept of Health. What next? Anti-gun kook to head ATF? Chaos.

 

[Aaron N]

Like the man said, Back on Topic.
I have really been thinking about a small company making ammunitions for classic calibers, not the new whiz, sexy, got to have it crowd. In hunting dead is dead, can't be any more dead. So, what would it cost for a group like AH members to start a company for selected medium and large bore ammunition?

Taking a Quick Look, it seems like 7-8 separate machines are needed for just the brass production.

Case Manufacturing - D&M Holding Company

D&M: Provider of turnkey case manufacturing solutions utilizing cup and wire methods. Precise, proprietary case production equipment designed for your specific requirements, civilian or military.

www.dmholding.com

 

[Ontario Hunter]

The tariffs are on a 30 day pause, but the Canadian PM stepped up to the plate with the US.

I think the actions of the provincial premiers had more impact. They weren't interested in talking to that clown. Conservative Premier Ford ordered all US booze in Ontario off the shelves today. Retalitory tariff wasn't good enough for him. The province was willing to absorb the cost of destroying the existing inventory. Ford just bought himself another term in office. Quebec premier said he was making it impossible for US companies to get contracts ... and US utilities contract for a lot of Quebec power! And finally, the European Union was siding with Canada. Trump has Americans convinced the US can survive in splendid isolation. The stock market tells a different tale.

Whatever fool thinks food is more expensive up here has NOT been shopping in the US recently.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Like the man said, Back on Topic.
I have really been thinking about a small company making ammunitions for classic calibers, not the new whiz, sexy, got to have it crowd. In hunting dead is dead, can't be any more dead. So, what would it cost for a group like AH members to start a company for selected medium and large bore ammunition?

You would need to own an insurance company. Liability risk is just too high.

 

[dlmac]

You would need to own an insurance company. Liability risk is just too high.

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of partnerships or contracts with existing customs case makers and the like. Many companies have private label products made for them. One very smart man once told me never manufacture something that you can have done by someone else. No labor issues, no storage and little inventory storage. That is why China has an economy. Insurance is necessary, but loads keep moderate and good quality control is there for a reason. It will not keep you from getting sued, but certainly helps you win. Yes, there will always be the occasional dog and pony show in a courtroom

 

[dlmac]

What calibers would be in most demand? There are plenty 375 H&H out there.
1. 450/000
2. 470
3.?

 

[Northern Shooter]

What calibers would be in most demand? There are plenty 375 H&H out there.
1. 450/000
2. 470
3.?

For dangerous game? 375 HH, 416 REM, 458 WM and 470NE.

 

[grand veneur]

What calibers would be in most demand? There are plenty 375 H&H out there.
1. 450/000
2. 470
3.?

The thread is about big bores and not about cartridges caliber 9,3mm or the cartridge 375 H&H Magnum. Nonetheless, there are a lot of different big bore cartridges also in use nowadays so that it is difficult to say what is needed above all. In the past, the cartridge 458 Winchester Magnum clearly dominated the market, but somethings have changed since the nineties. There are certainly some big bores that are used more than others, but the list has become much longer in the meantime, so it is better to mention the big bore cartridges that are hardly or not used at all anymore. You also have to take into account that big bore ammunition is very expensive and rather than buying factory loads, owners of such rifles load their ammunition. At last not forget the customers of the big companies like H&H, Purdey, Westley Richards ...and so, whose ammunition is supplied with the rifle. A market for different cartridges that is also difficult to estimate.

 

[BlueFlyer]

One very smart man once told me never manufacture something that you can have done by someone else.

The frustration is that down here we have Bertram Brass, Woodleigh Projectiles and ADI propellant, so if there could be a reliable agent in the US we have all the components needed.
Bruce was looking at loading some "boutique" cartridges but it was not stacking up financially.

 

[Kevin375]

In France, we have 2 factories that load big bores.

The biggest one is Sologne.

Cartouches Sologne, pour le plus grand plaisir des chasseurs

Cartouches Sologne propose depuis plus de 15 ans des munitions de grande chasse rigoureusement précises et régulières fabriquées en France

www.cartouches-sologne.fr

https://www.cartouches-sologne.fr/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/tarif-public-GLOBAL-2024.pdf

Back to 90's, Sologne introduced the GPA, a lead free bullet with bands, that works like the Cuting Edge Bullet Raptor. They also produce a Round nose Solid up to 620".
In addition, they also load bullets from many companies like Nosler, Barnes, Hornady, Sierra, Woodleigh and Degol.
On their website, they produce ammunitions up to the .500 Jeffery and the .505 Gibbs, but on request, they can load bigger calibers. For example, Sologne was the factory that load the 700 Nitro express ammunitions for Verney-Carron.
But my only little complain I have is the French powder they use. I don't like it because it might have big variations from lot to lot. Normally, every batch should be tested in the Saint-Etienne Proof house but once, I had a surpressure with their ammunition that stuck the bolt of my Merkel RX Helix and I know several people who had the same issue.

The other factory is Sauvestre.

Balles Flèche SAUVESTRE pour fusil et carabine

www.sauvestre.com

They have an interesting lead free bullet. I have only used the EXR in .375 H&H magnum, loaded by myself, and it worked great.

 

[PerH]

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of partnerships or contracts with existing customs case makers and the like. Many companies have private label products made for them. One very smart man once told me never manufacture something that you can have done by someone else. No labor issues, no storage and little inventory storage. That is why China has an economy. Insurance is necessary, but loads keep moderate and good quality control is there for a reason. It will not keep you from getting sued, but certainly helps you win. Yes, there will always be the occasional dog and pony show in a courtroom

Norma have made many private brands through the years , FN , Dakota and many more

 

[Oldwavy]

I've always been fascinated by big bore rifles, and over the years, I've discovered some amazing European and international manufacturers that offer top-notch ammo. Of course, Norma is a favorite among many, but I've also had great experiences with RWS from Germany, Sellier & Bellot from the Czech Republic, and Prvi Partizan from Serbia. They're doing some incredible work too! If you're as passionate about big bores as I am, I highly recommend exploring these brands.

 

[Northern Shooter]

I've always been fascinated by big bore rifles, and over the years, I've discovered some amazing European and international manufacturers that offer top-notch ammo. Of course, Norma is a favorite among many, but I've also had great experiences with RWS from Germany, Sellier & Bellot from the Czech Republic, and Prvi Partizan from Serbia. They're doing some incredible work too! If you're as passionate about big bores as I am, I highly recommend exploring these brands.

It looks like RWS offers both 375 and 10.3X68 although I'm not seeing any in stock here. S&B and PPU appear to top out at 375HH.

Glad to have all 3 as options but wish they would produce some 416's and 458's like Norma does.

 

[Bandera]

I talked with guys from Hornady at the SHOT show.

• The DG / African line is on the schedule for production. We as consumers of the DG / African line are a minority in the number of rounds that Hornady is producing.
• There is still a bunch of loaded ammo available from distributors. You have to be willing to pay stupid prices. Locally Hornady 375 Ruger 300 grain DGX, $88 a box. Online over a $100 a box, plus outrageous shipping costs. People are paying it.
• Ammo is the priority.
• Components foe reloading are a secondary concern. I interpreted this as reloader’s are competition for the manufacture.

 

[Nevada Mike]

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of partnerships or contracts with existing customs case makers and the like. Many companies have private label products made for them. One very smart man once told me never manufacture something that you can have done by someone else. No labor issues, no storage and little inventory storage. That is why China has an economy. Insurance is necessary, but loads keep moderate and good quality control is there for a reason. It will not keep you from getting sued, but certainly helps you win. Yes, there will always be the occasional dog and pony show in a courtroom

What kind of partnership? If become an 'agent' you assume liability. If a distributor not so much, but this is a contractual issue between the principal and the distributor. If you are a 'private label' reseller you really need to find a way to share any liability with the principal through your contract.

From my own experience the legal aspects of distribution /resale in partnership with an international manufacturer is a significant barrier to initiating business operations.

 

[HWL]

Norma, RWS, GECO, Hirtenberger

Hirtenberger is out of business since the 1990th....
Geco does no big bore
RWSs biggest is the .375 H&H, a medium bore.

HWL

 

[dlmac]

The thread is about big bores and not about cartridges caliber 9,3mm or the cartridge 375 H&H Magnum. Nonetheless, there are a lot of different big bore cartridges also in use nowadays so that it is difficult to say what is needed above all. In the past, the cartridge 458 Winchester Magnum clearly dominated the market, but somethings have changed since the nineties. There are certainly some big bores that are used more than others, but the list has become much longer in the meantime, so it is better to mention the big bore cartridges that are hardly or not used at all anymore. You also have to take into account that big bore ammunition is very expensive and rather than buying factory loads, owners of such rifles load their ammunition. At last not forget the customers of the big companies like H&H, Purdey, Westley Richards ...and so, whose ammunition is supplied with the rifle. A market for different cartridges that is also difficult to estimate.

Thanks for your input, every bit if info is helpful.