Next Cecil?

[Hank2211]

I was just wondering where else are you suppose to clean them?

The master bedroom. On the bed. Lots of space. Can use a pillow case if you run out of patches.

 

[lcq]

God bless Texas!!!

And I'm in Georgia now.

And for the record, I'm fine with cleaning guns at the kitchen table.

I have very fond memories of a nice little place called Athens, got a little wild when school was in session

 

[BSO Dave]

Cowering, ashamed or apologizing. Interesting characterizations.

How's about let's be respectful, even though they may not be, and become mindful of the fact that the majority in North America are very far removed from the reality of meat production and thus moving forward conduct ourselves accordingly.

Don't be too quick to dismiss these characterizations. I have encountered this to some extend with many of my fellow hunters in conversation. I don't know if I would describe exactly as cowering or ashamed, but I have definitely heard from many hunters that when confronted, they choose to evade direct conversation with those ignorant individuals that challenge them. I also know some who feel that they are forced to conceal their passion for hunting in fear of the threat of repercussions from employers, neighbors, etc... That is a display of intimidation. You can characterize it however you like.

Being respectful goes without saying, but that is a separate issue. We should all be as respectful as possible when engaging those unfamiliar with the hunting lifestyle as you suggest. We also need to be as educated and informed as possible on the issues that support our claims. I also feel that is paramount to lead the conversation whenever possible. Passive and submissive is not the answer. Educated, informed, respectful, but assertive and proactive in our arguments is the way forward.

 

[Velo Dog]

I think a spear is a deadly weapon in the right hands, but how you carry out the hunt and display yourself on video should be all about respect for the game. I must admit I don't like a lot of the hunting programs on TV. There is nothing wrong celebrating a kill but do it properly if you are posting it for everyone to see.

Definitely +1 with you on this Enysse.

 

[Nyati]

Yesterday that stupid video was on the news in my country.

Unfortunately, we, as most of the world, do not have a god given right to hunt, fish or own firearms.

These are privileges for which we must have licenses from the state, which have to be renewed (hunting firearms every 5 years, hunting license yearly) and which can be revoked any time.

In Europe, animal-rights/anti-hunting NGO´s are very influential, so that video is not helping us at all.

 

[Velo Dog]

"Being respectful goes without saying, but that is a separate issue. We should all be as respectful as possible when engaging those unfamiliar with the hunting lifestyle as you suggest. We also need to be as educated and informed as possible on the issues that support our claims. I also feel that is paramount to lead the conversation whenever possible. Passive and submissive is not the answer. Educated, informed, respectful, but assertive and proactive in our arguments is the way forward."

Hi BSO Dave,

I totally agree.
The delusional Anti-Hunter will never open their eyes and pull the bubblegum out of their ears.
And so, any attempt to discuss facts with them is like trying to teach a pig to sing.
You will only wear yourself out, and it annoys the pig.
If hunting did not exist, I promise you they would not waste any time inventing something else to be angry about.

However, it is my opinion that when conversing with the Non-Hunter who, does not care either way because, he or she is simply interested in spending their energy and pay on other things (like worshiping sports "heroes" or weeping over the latest TV Mini-Series, for instance), I sincerely believe it is our responsibility, to not use crude / low brow language to describe our lifestyle.
The best way for Hunters to make casual listeners jump to the conclusion that all Hunters are simple brutes, is to use brutish language, such as a proverbial "drunken sailor" might do.
Furthermore, having been stalked by a loony before, I would not recommend posting anything, hunting or otherwise, on such a broad spectrum outfit as "Facebook" and so forth (Perhaps I'm just a fossil - whatever).

Cheers,
Velo Dog.

 

[BSO Dave]

Unfortunately, we, as most of the world, do not have a god given right to hunt, fish or own firearms.

You do have them my friend. All human beings have these rights. The U.S. forefathers placed such importance on them that they are written in our Declaration of Independence, implied as unalienable rights endowed by our creator. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are generalizations encompassing all of the basic human rights no man or government should be allowed to deny. The rights to support your family and protect yourself are basic human rights that apply to all men.

You mention that much of the world cannot enjoy these basic human rights. That is unfortunately true in many instances, and one of the great dysfunctions of this planet. Still, in is inherent upon each of us to pursue these rights. They have never been acquired without a fight.

 

[firehuntfish]

You do have them my friend. All human beings have these rights. The U.S. forefathers placed such importance on them that they are written in our Declaration of Independence, implied as unalienable rights endowed by our creator. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are generalizations encompassing all of the basic human rights no man or government should be allowed to deny. The rights to support your family and protect yourself are basic human rights that apply to all men.

You mention that much of the world cannot enjoy these basic human rights. That is unfortunately true in many instances, and one of the great dysfunctions of this planet. Still, in is inherent upon each of us to pursue these rights. They have never been acquired without a fight.

Amen Brother! Add this to the required reading list....

 

[JimP]

Another side effect of this hunt has been that Under Armour has canceled their sponsorship of the guys wife with them.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-bear-underarmour-idUSKCN10U1MV

 

[LivingTheDream]

I'm wearing under armor gear alot this incoming season, I wonder of they will sponsor me now that there is an opening.

 

[BRICKBURN]

............

In Europe, animal-rights/anti-hunting NGO´s are very influential, so that video is not helping us at all.

Exactly.

 

[shooter]

You do have them my friend. All human beings have these rights. ......

Are you in denial?
NO, many people do not have the rights many of us take for granted: Never mind ownership of firearms and hunting.
The SAN are being persecuted into extinction in Botswana. They have a court decision stating they have the right to hunt. However, they still seem to be persecuted, arrested, beaten and removed from their land.

Test your theory right to firearms next time you want to hunt in another country.
Jump on the plane with your firearm and tell them it is your right to carry it where you wish and hunt as you wish.

If you try it in RSA I hope you enjoy your visit with Oscar Pestorius!

Perhaps, UAE might be another choice for you to exercise your rights!
Tell us how it goes.

 

[LadyKiller]

Are you in denial?
NO, many people do not have the rights many of us take for granted: Never mind ownership of firearms and hunting.

Denial? I think you misread or are confused over the point BSO Dave is making. He is saying that every human being has these rights, and he acknowledged that not all people are allowed by their governments to exercise these rights. Still they are basic human rights nonetheless. It is up to each citizenry of their country to demand and fight for these rights if they so choose. Our creator gives them to us, but they are surely not "given" by oppressive governments.

He is not implying that you should expect to have those rights when visiting a foreign country. Obviously, you obey the laws and respect the customs of any country where you are a guest. You also have the right not to visit a country where basic human rights are not recognized.

persecuted, arrested, beaten and removed from their land.

Pretty much what was taking place in the American colonies 250 years ago. The citizenry there thought is was important enough to go to war over even thought the odds were staggeringly against them.

 

[shooter]

....................Our creator gives them to us, ...............

That would be a minority view on this planet.

He is not implying that you should expect to have those rights when visiting a foreign country. Obviously, you obey the laws and respect the customs of any country where you are a guest. You also have the right not to visit a country where basic human rights are not recognized.

BSO Dave is stating that someone in a foreign country has these rights but you are stating that a visitor should not expect those rights when visiting a foreign country.
So, which is it? Do you have the rights or not?
Nyati lives in SPAIN and indeed, the duly elected government in that democracy, does not see firearms in the same fashion you do apparently.

................
Pretty much what was taking place in the American colonies 250 years ago. The citizenry there thought is was important enough to go to war over even thought the odds were staggeringly against them.

So a bunch of folks got upset about taxes in the colonies and pitched a fit. Ok.

Let's compare apples to apples: Heard of the Beothuk?
An invasion force "explorers" came in to their land and exterminated the entire people/culture. The "creator" apparently forgot to give them guns.
The SAN have not been informed of that queue either.

Ignore the majority at your peril.

 

[shooter]

Another side effect of this hunt has been that Under Armour has canceled their sponsorship of the guys wife with them.
......

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...with-spear-in-alberta-loses-under-armour-deal

"Fallout continues over a video showing an American hunter spearing a bear in northern Alberta earlier this year.
Clothing manufacturer Under Armour has ceased their association with Sarah Bowmar, an accomplished bowhunter and wife of Josh Bowmar, the man at the centre of the controversy.
Bowmar, who runs an Ohio-based fitness company with Sarah, posted the video in early June and it had been viewed more than 200,000 times before it was removed from public viewing.
The Bowmars have not responded to requests for an interview."

I guess they are cowering from the media attention that they/he sought so much in the first place.
After their paycheque has been removed the Bowmar's are exercising discretion?

 

[Hank2211]

Amen Brother! Add this to the required reading list....

If it's such a basic human right, and guaranteed in the Declaration of Independance, why have so many states (relatively recently) decided it needed to be in the state constitution?

It could be that since "wild animals belong to everyone" that no one has an individual "right" to take them as they please. This would result in what they call "the tragedy of the commons" in economics, and soon we'd have no wildlife left.

I think the focus on what is a "basic human right" and what isn't, takes us away from what really matters, which is that all hunters, in and outside of the US, are regulated in when, how, and with what they hunt. As a result, if the majority want hunting to stop, or a particular method of hunting to stop, we could find that that is the result, whether we like it or not.

And given that, I would suggest that the discussion needs to be framed around how we as hunters should behave in order to minimize the odds of government actions that would negatively impact us.

 

[firehuntfish]

That would be a minority view on this planet.

A minority reality perhaps... But a minority view?? Not mine... I truly pity you if you see it this way.

BSO Dave is stating that someone in a foreign country has these rights but you are stating that a visitor should not expect those rights when visiting a foreign country.
So, which is it? Do you have the rights or not?
Nyati lives in SPAIN and indeed, the duly elected government in that democracy, does not see firearms in the same fashion you do apparently.

What part of this are you not getting? It must be a perception issue after all... In a democracy, the people decide what is best for them via majority. If they collectively decide that hunting or owning a firearm is a privilege, Fine! Good for them... It is their prerogative to give up or empower whatever rights they see fit. In that case, however, they are either failing to recognize these rights or electing not to exercise them. That is their dilemma.... They are still human rights we all should expect. Realizing them, empowering them, or a government denying them are separate issues.

So a bunch of folks got upset about taxes in the colonies and pitched a fit. Ok.

Hilarious! Yep..... That about sums up the entire American revolution.... You are either being sarcastic or clueless. I hope it's the former. I think we are now .... Either you get it or you don't.

 

[firehuntfish]

If it's such a basic human right, and guaranteed in the Declaration of Independance, why have so many states (relatively recently) decided it needed to be in the state constitution?

Not guaranteed Hank2211.... Suggested.... Certain rights are guaranteed in the Bill of Rights as the right to keep and bear arms..... More and more instances of our implied rights being chipped away at, and therefore demonstrating the need to be protected in state constitutions.

It could be that since "wild animals belong to everyone" that no one has an individual "right" to take them as they please. This would result in what they call "the tragedy of the commons" in economics, and soon we'd have no wildlife left.

If you are confused on this, read back to some of mine and others earlier posts... I specifically stated that laws and regulations must be in place to regulate these rights, as even God-given rights can be abused. Some of you are picking apart the words, yet missing the overall meaning... Again...

 

[lcq]

That would be a minority view on this planet.
Ignore the majority at your peril.

Would you have numbers to back up that sweeping statement? BTW slacktivist social media thumbsters and a leftist media don't represent a majority

 

[CAustin]

I think this one seems to have blown over for now!