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Bhraaz Kashyap

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Greetings everyone. I am Bhraaz Kashyap, currently finishing my degree in Wildlife Management in Hungary and working for the CIC (International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation).
I have worked with Indian and Central European megafauna. I am working on an expansion of the CIC into India in the coming years.

My cicle of hunters and friends told me about this forum, and I joined to connect with like-minded individuals and peers. Hoping for a warm stay!
 
Good day! Welcome to AH!
 
:S Welcome:
 
Welcome to AH Bhraaz Kashyap!
 
Welcome to AH @Bhraaz Kashyap !

Is Gabriella still working there for CIC? :)
 
I am working on an expansion of the CIC into India in the coming years.
Welcome to the forum!

This is interesting initiative!
If I may ask, can CIC be implemented in non hunting country such as India? This is unusual concept in my mind.
 
Welcome to AH Bhraaz Kashyap!
Is CIC the organisation also known as Conseil International de la Chasse? As far as I know they are mainly concentrated in measuring trophies with highly complicated methods
Please try to convince me that it is useful to hunters.
 
welcome welcome welcome
 
Welcome to AH Bhraaz Kashyap!
Is CIC the organisation also known as Conseil International de la Chasse? As far as I know they are mainly concentrated in measuring trophies with highly complicated methods
Please try to convince me that it is useful to hunters.

I also really don't know what this already controversial organization in Europe should do in India. The CIC makes the trophies even more expensive than they already are. By the way, there is hardly any hunting in India anymore.
 
Is CIC the organisation also known as Conseil International de la Chasse? As far as I know they are mainly concentrated in measuring trophies with highly complicated methods
Please try to convince me that it is useful to hunters.
I live in Europe, hunt mainly in Europe.
CIC like any other measuring system has pros and cons.
From hunters perspective: I hate it. because pricing for best trophies is prohibitive to me.

On the other hand, high quality CIC trophy score system is measuring stick for quality of managed hunting area (fenced, or free range alike), and it gives incentives to various owners to maintain their activities and profit, and make return to animals habitat. Giving the value to animals.

CIC is not perfect.
Social problem from history is: if hunting is perceived as rich man activity, or ruling class activity, it can easily bee banned. This happened in Kenya and India for example.
So, making extreme prices for top trophies, for rich clientele can be very counterproductive in long term. Hunting as rich mans game, is very difficult to sustain in public perspective of democratic country.
In my country (Croatia) average salary is about 1322 EUR.
Gold stag (red deer) will go easily over 8000 EUR and highest CIC gold medal over 10k.
I am not sure this is reasonable pricing, but thats how it is. With that pricing blue collar worker will never in a lifetime get a gold stag.

So, in order to make it workable, it is not CIC system by itself, but pricing that needs some dose of realistic leveling that in a long term would need revision.

I was in Africa, 4 times on hunting safari. Namibia.
The level of quality of hunt (lets consider PG hunt) is incomparable for PG hunt of 5 to 7 animals to one single red stag trophy in golden CIC medal. Incomparable!

Finally all that being said I do not see the reason to implement CIC system to non hunting country such as India. But most probably I am missing something, hoping that our new member @Bhraaz Kashyap might shed some light to this initiative.
 
I live in Europe, hunt mainly in Europe.
CIC like any other measuring system has pros and cons.
From hunters perspective: I hate it. because pricing for best trophies is prohibitive to me.

On the other hand, high quality CIC trophy score system is measuring stick for quality of managed hunting area (fenced, or free range alike), and it gives incentives to various owners to maintain their activities and profit, and make return to animals habitat. Giving the value to animals.

CIC is not perfect.
Social problem from history is: if hunting is perceived as rich man activity, or ruling class activity, it can easily bee banned. This happened in Kenya and India for example.
So, making extreme prices for top trophies, for rich clientele can be very counterproductive in long term. Hunting as rich mans game, is very difficult to sustain in public perspective of democratic country.
In my country (Croatia) average salary is about 1322 EUR.
Gold stag (red deer) will go easily over 8000 EUR and highest CIC gold medal over 10k.
I am not sure this is reasonable pricing, but thats how it is. With that pricing blue collar worker will never in a lifetime get a gold stag.

So, in order to make it workable, it is not CIC system by itself, but pricing that needs some dose of realistic leveling that in a long term would need revision.

I was in Africa, 4 times on hunting safari. Namibia.
The level of quality of hunt (lets consider PG hunt) is incomparable for PG hunt of 5 to 7 animals to one single red stag trophy in golden CIC medal. Incomparable!

Finally all that being said I do not see the reason to implement CIC system to non hunting country such as India. But most probably I am missing something, hoping that our new member @Bhraaz Kashyap might shed some light to this initiative.
Fantastic writeup. The CIC implements a standardisation effort for trophy measurement as well as trains members.
This is used as a measuring stick for quality of trophies and thus value associated with them. The exact value is determined from country to country, the CIC just gives it a score for judgement and thus valuations as such.

Regarding the CIC's entry in India, I shall make a separate post on this.
 

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