New Stanford Univ Covid Related Mask Study

[flatwater bill]

I don't know anything about the above cited "mask" study, but I am concerned that the US Govt has censored many scientific articles that expressed a different view on the disease, it's spread, or it's treatment. Some of those silenced are probably flakes, but some are among the most brilliant and respected researchers in medicine. Covid 19 is being used as a vehicle for social change....wealth transfer....taking from those that have worked and saved and giving to everyone else. Under the guise of "stimulus" or "infrastructure". As an addendum, a police officer that I have known for 30 years tells me that drug dealers are working overtime....can't keep up with demand...cracks that never had a fifty dollar bill in their lifetime, now have regular checks for $1200 to $1400 .......wealth is being transferred....FWB

 

[Firebird]

People-it is a fake “study”-it supports red legs ideology but there is no science to be found in the article-just opinions

science behind it-check the facts on snopes-

 

[flatwater bill]

BTW...........Snopes may not be the final arbiter on all news. I have seen where they have contacted very biased sources to justify their relatively liberal preconceived conclusion.............they are probably right in this case, but it does not mean that conflicting opinions should be censored, or that they are wrong........FWB

 

[tarbe]

Snopes....lol

 

[Red Leg]

People-it is a fake “study”-it supports red legs ideology but there is no science to be found in the article-just opinions View attachment 398419science behind it-check the facts on snopes-View attachment 398420

Well, I am sure you are correct.

If you can find a mass media source claiming "fake news" (Snopes! no less) it must be true. Though I would suggest a little critical thinking and independent research may yet set you free.

But to be certain we understand each other, my "ideology" is that a cloth mask trying to stop viral material is the equivalent of using chicken wire as a mosquito net. Period. Pretty much sums it up.

That has nothing to do with the virus per se. But forbidding that observation from any discussion with respect to the general population or efficacy of mask wearing dictates does seem to have a lot more to do with maintaining a sense of fear among the general populace while a political agenda is achieved, than protecting anyone's health.

If you don't believe that is the case - fine.

I took the the two course immunization, and I accept the intent of those vaccinations. Like polio, yellow fever, typhoid, et al such inoculations are not 100% effective, but these are about as good as they get. Ergo, I am done with masks. We wear them where a business requires them, but we are also enjoying unmasked our favorite restaurants and bars (at 100% capacity) while hospitalizations and deaths per percentage of population continue to decline in our state (Texas). Oh yes, and our children have been in school essentially all year.

But if you want to continue to shelter in place, you have that right.

The fellow you are decrying as "fake news" is well published in a host of different sites and journals. And frankly, though it is interesting what a non-practicing immunologist bureaucrat can hypothesize to all of us whenever he can find a camera about the benefits of wearing a cloth bandage across our collective faces for extended periods, it would seem logical that someone with an understanding of pulmonary cardiology might actually have a better understanding of the broader physiological effects of such a practice on our bodies.

Of course that can't be tolerated by the true believers.

When this is written about in the next century, it won't be about the great influenza of 2020/21. It will be about the great hysteria.

 

[Newboomer]

Well now my feelings are hurt and I’m feeling insulted.
Oh wait, never mind. I’m not a liberal. Carry on!
I guess GW was on tv today? Something about nativists? WTF is that other than a new term invented to divide and marginalize? If you don’t embrace open borders and open immigration you are a nativist? I guess that’s kinda like a racist? I resemble so many ‘ists I can’t keep track any more.
And once again my feelings are hurt and I’m offended
Cody, gonna need to share your safe space.

I'll go with Popeye, " I am what I am." I'm against just about everything libtard so I must be--you name it.

 

[Newboomer]

The more I hear and read about these damn face rags, the more I wonder if they would even make an effective asswipe.

 

[flatwater bill]

The OP questioned the efficacy of wearing a mask to prevent Covid-19. He cited an article. The article stated "The existing scientific evidence challenges the safety and efficacy of.........etc". That much is absolutely true. Numerous well credentialed specialists have studied and raised such an issue. But several AH members responded by 1. telling him it is truly a serious disease (something he never questioned, or 2. saying "you won't even wear a mask for your country" Both tangential to his very valid post. Although the article cited is less than perfect, it does have some points worth considering. Example: Florida Gov Ron DeSantis held a panel discussion on some of these points (masks). The panel consisted of 4 people, all holding doctorates and research positions at Stanford, Oxford and/or Harvard. They cited specific, peer reviewed scholarly research on which they based their opinions. Their opinion: vaccinated people need not wear a mask. But YouTube censored them. Conclusion : dissent is not tolerated. Facts don't matter. Snopes (quoted above) in 2018 while investigating the allegation that there had been white families murdered on South African farms concluded that that statement was X False. No one was hurt. How did they know? You see, they contacted the South African Govt, who assured them that such things never happened. Conclusion: Snopes only investigates until their pre-conclusion is satisfied. You must read and study to reach your own conclusion, especially when experts disagree. And always question when ONE group wants to censor all info that conflicts with their dogma. Ask why? What do they have to gain? Should you wear a mask? I don't know. Perhaps painting your Johnson green will have the same effect. If Biden and Fauci say it will. Do your research. And never trust the fact checkers at WaPo or Snopes to make your decision for you .....................FWB

 

[spike.t]

The more I hear and read about these damn face rags, the more I wonder if they would even make an effective asswipe.

Nope too porous and scratchy....

 

[Ridgewalker]

When this is written about in the next century, it won't be about the great influenza of 2020/21. It will be about the great hysteria.

+1

 

[Firebird]

So you prefer this article and not the one I brought to your attention by John Hopkins when you posted this on a different thread? Snopes does get it wrong occasionally but this one was easy to disprove especially since my wife found it on social media a couple days ago. We are all entitled to our opinions but it is irresponsible to represent something such as an article as something it isn’t-a scientific study.
This isn’t the hill I want to die on-so yiu can have it, wear a mask or don’t, doesn’t matter to me and I appreciate your common courtesy and human decency to follow simple and basic rules-wearing a mask where required or requested. Now my breakfast is finished and I am off to the range-have a nice day

 

[Philip Glass]

Covid-19/SARS-2 is a real disease, it has and will kill thousands! So was true with Polio, yellow fever,
AIDS, and Ebola. Influenza has killed millions from the beginning of time!
Wearing a homemade cloth mask likely only benefit is to remind one to wash hands and distant ones self from those who are sick (and keep you from picking your infected nose). An N95 mask may have some value but is not practical except in the clinical/medical units!
Dr fauchi and his double triple mask recommendation after vaccine or if one has natural antibodies is the biggest lie he has propagated among his thousand or so.
The socialist/marxist who are taking over the world we live in are using this disease to their advantage!

But truly understand this disease is real and if you are high risk and you contract it, you will fully understand it is serious situation if you survive! I have witnessed more than a hundred deaths from covid-19, not one of them was saved by a homemade cotton/cloth mask! We will get past the acute infections despite Fauchi, CDC, MSN, social media and the crazies on both side, but two very important issues will likely remain unanswered!
1. Where did it come from and who is responsible, and can we prevent next time?
2. How are we going to manage the increasing number of post covid syndrome patients?

VERY well stated sir. Thank you!

 

[Philip Glass]

This article confirms the earlier Danish study that was ignored by the media.
Instead they all went with the story of the two hair dressers who had the virus but didn’t spread it to anyone supposedly because they wore a mask. You see the problem is/was the PCR test running at 40 cycles has admittedly produced over 80% false positives!
Govt only listens to the “science” that supports their position.
Great news here and we should share this study.

 

[cls]

For those that don't like a second opinion regarding wearing masks.

Top Canadian WHO adviser under fire after downplaying airborne threat of COVID-19

Wear a mask or don't I could give a rats ass but we should all be open to differing opinions.

 

[longbow70]

You know, this is a garbage article for the reason previously cited; nothing to do with "Stanford University" research department, just a cherry picking from prior articles, many not peer reviewed; but so is Fauci's nonsense about wearing 2 masks after vaccinated. That's the problem with this. Everyone has lied about everything from the start, rather than just saying I don't know, I'll let you know as soon as I do. And more and more internet experts lie on both sides.

I will say that among our hospital personnel who were infected, contact tracing showed that none of them contracted it from caring for covid patients, but from meetings in unmasked settings. I've said that before, but it continues to be true. With all the internet baloney nice to see data. I don't know if our experience mirrors that elsewhere, but sure wouldn't make sense why masks worked in our hospital (and initially I thought they didn't, given the number of infected, until we saw the contact tracing data) and not elsewhere. Wear a mask or not. Free country for probably at least another 6 months, but that may be optimistic.

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

I don’t care what anyone decides in regards to masks or the vaccine, just interested in the truth. I’m also not trained in the world of medicine, so my opinion means squat.

But if the original article is garbage, why did NIH, one of the premier medical research facilities in the world post it on their website?

 

[longbow70]

Where it was published was previously referenced, and it wasn't the NIH; that header just pops up. Weeding out spurious "studies" that don't have the statistical power to support their results is difficult. Too many (looking at you, pharma) try to slip something past us once in a while. This is an opinion piece, and as such, it's fine; he's entitled to his. It's just not a "study", and it's not from he's not a Stanford researcher, nor an infectious disease expert.

 

[Red Leg]

Where it was published was previously referenced, and it wasn't the NIH; that header just pops up. Weeding out spurious "studies" that don't have the statistical power to support their results is difficult. Too many (looking at you, pharma) try to slip something past us once in a while. This is an opinion piece, and as such, it's fine; he's entitled to his. It's just not a "study", and it's not from he's not a Stanford researcher, nor an infectious disease expert.

I believe you are correct and that this was not a Stanford based study. I regret that confusion.

But I believe the article is available on the site of The National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI)? Which I believe is part of the United States National Library of Medicine (NLM), a branch of the National Institutes of Health (NIH)? I believe that I am correct when I say that saying NCBI is not part of NIH would be like saying the Defense Department is not part of the Executive Branch. But I certainly could be wrong.

In any case, if it is fake news, are the NCBI/NLM/NIH now complicit in promulgating it? Or perhaps they were penetrated by the nefarious Vainshelboim who hacked their site? As he apparently has done with many of his other professional studies and articles?

The NCBI disclaimer at the head of the article states in part "PMC is a repository of content primarily from two sources: peer reviewed journals that overall have met NLM’s standards for PMC; and peer reviewed author manuscripts deposited in compliance with the public access policy of NIH or other collaborating funders."

Did they make an exception in this case, did Vainshelboim con (or hack) them, or am I missing something? I would appreciate informed feedback, because I have regularly searched the NCBI data base over the last year and found it surprisingly balanced for an NIH entity with respect to Covide related information seemingly black-listed by social or mainstream media and the omniscient Fauci.

Or should their disclaimer include that they "accept radical, speculative, and non-mainstream views ....?"

What this study does do is run contrary to current acceptable group think and public discussion allowed in this country. The Snopes reaction is a case in point.

 

[longbow70]

This from Stanford:

The study’s author, Baruch Vainshelboim, is listed in the study as being affiliated with the cardiology division at the Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System/Stanford University.

However, a representative for the VA Palo Alto Health Care System told the AP in an email that Vainshelboim does not work there.

“I can confirm this person is not one of our physicians,” wrote Michael Hill-Jackson, a public affairs specialist with the system. “I do not see him in our system and our Cardiology team has never heard of him.”

Vainshelboim also does not work for Stanford, according to Julie Greicius, senior director of external communications for the university’s medical school.

“Stanford University has never employed Baruch Vainshelboim,” Greicius wrote in an email to the AP. “Several years ago (2015), he was a visiting scholar at Stanford for a year, on matters unrelated to this paper.”

I don't care if anyone wears a mask or not, but I don't like to see science used for political purposes from either side. Universal precautions for those providing care for patients with infectious disease has been done for like 4 decades.

Anyway, peace out dudes.

 

[TOBY458]

The more I hear and read about these damn face rags, the more I wonder if they would even make an effective asswipe.

They don't. Tried it. Shit goes straight through.