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[flying sailor]

I'm not going to hit you, the hell I'm not!

 

[Ontario Hunter]

As a disabled American veteran I have no use for John Wayne. And neither did my WWII disabled vet dad. Here's why. https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/columns/2014/05/26/today-is-107th-birthday-john/37252322007/

 

[Wyatt Smith]

Two things
1 No one asked
2 We all know the story of John Wayne not fighting in World War Two. He was in his mid thirties and was already an actor for at least a decade, well established at that. He was of more use in propaganda films than he was in a foxhole.
Yes a whole bunch of other actors did fight in the war.
Charles Bronson, Lee Marvin, James Stewart, director John Ford. (He filmed the battle of Midway) and countless others.
We all know that John Ford shamed him during the filming of “The Longest Day” and it really botherd him, to the point of passing out lighters that said F$&@ Communism during USO tours in Vietnam.
We know all of this and still love John Wayne. I’m not at all surprised you or your dad dislike him, in fact I would have been surprised if you did like him.
@Tubby’s Canteen welcome back.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

As a disabled American veteran I have no use for John Wayne. And neither did my WWII disabled vet dad. Here's why. https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/columns/2014/05/26/today-is-107th-birthday-john/37252322007/

You sent a private message with the same information and I honestly cared so little about your opinion I didn’t bother to respond.

I find you narrow minded enough that there’s no real reason to discuss it with you but here it goes against my better judgement.

Vincent Van Gogh cut his own ear off yet generations of people have been able to see past his person issues to appreciate his art. Same with Freddy mercury, Elton John and jerry lee Lewis. I’d never rent my Guest bedroom to the Rolling Stones but I own some of there albums.

For one a little closer to the forum topic narrow mindedness is why John Taylor Died a pauper in England when he should have had a celebrated career as an author after his hunting days were through.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

TuBBY, real good on the quotes —- see inserts in CAPS above.
Now, one for You 1). “felt like you had knives sticking in your knees”..
2). These are 3 quotes all from same movie “Blanket head”, “well Reverend that tears it”, ‘that’ll be the day”

I missed it the first time through I was going from memory but pilgrim should actually be sodbuster shouldn’t it?

 

[thi9elsp]

Big Jake my favorite of his.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Big Jake my favorite of his.

“If you call me daddy again I’ll finish this fight”

 

[HankBuck]

I'm not going to hit you, the hell I'm not!

Flying Sailor, you list only a partial quote from the 1964 movie “McClintock”, it was said by Duke after he pulled a sawed off shotgun from another man - that had been poking him in the belly with it. We must have a few older guys on this thread - since Wayne died in 1979 and I remember my 30 yr old secretary didn’t even know who he was (I shoulda fired her for that)

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Flying Sailor, you list only a partial quote from the 1964 movie “McClintock”, it was said by Duke after he pulled a sawed off shotgun from another man - that had been poking him in the belly with it. We must have a few older guys on this thread - since Wayne died in 1979 and I remember my 30 yr old secretary didn’t even know who he was (I shoulda fired her for that)

Im only 30 , I just had a well rounded childhood. Don’t fire her for ignorance simple make the definitive John Wayne collection required viewing. Surely she will thank you for it by the Time she has viewed them all.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Im only 30 , I just had a well rounded childhood. Don’t fire her for ignorance simple make the definitive John Wayne collection required viewing. Surely she will thank you for it by the Time she has viewed them all.

On second thought maybe run that by h.r. first

 

[skydiver386]

Every time I hear Tubby used in a name, I think of the Movie Major Payne.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Every time I hear Tubby used in a name, I think of the Movie Major Payne. View attachment 587290

Never scene it

 

[HankBuck]

Never scene it

Neither has any other “real” John Wayne FAN - we only watch “classic/Quality” movies

 

[skydiver386]

As a disabled American veteran I have no use for John Wayne. And neither did my WWII disabled vet dad. Here's why. https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/columns/2014/05/26/today-is-107th-birthday-john/37252322007/

I spent nearly 25 years on active duty, 18 of those in SF. Everyone in Group knew this, and didn't care.

Before I retired, you could find this picture in nearly every Team room you walked into.

Having served is not an accurate way to judge someone's character. Jack Wagon John Kerry is a perfect example.

 

[HankBuck]

I spent nearly 25 years on active duty, 18 of those in SF. Everyone in Group knew this, and didn't care.

Before I retired, you could find this picture in nearly every Team room you walked into.

Having served is not an accurate way to judge someone's character. Jack Wagon John Kerry is a perfect example.


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Skydiver, I consider “real Vets” especially those that served as the REAL HEROs and for me John Wayne was a “Movie Star”, I liked what he “pretended to be” and No idea who he really was —- Never knew him personally. I think unless you know someone personally - hard to judge a carefully crafted TV or Movie image. All Vets deserve a level of respect and especially since I NEVER Served

 

[Ontario Hunter]

I spent nearly 25 years on active duty, 18 of those in SF. Everyone in Group knew this, and didn't care.

Before I retired, you could find this picture in nearly every Team room you walked into.

Having served is not an accurate way to judge someone's character. Jack Wagon John Kerry is a perfect example.


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Dodging service, especially during WWII, is a good enough reason to judge him. Take a look at bios for his costars and all the other actors in "Flying Tigers." Almost all served. His female costar married her USO tour pilot. Wayne's male costar, Phillip Caroll, actually did time as an Army pilot and nearly died in a crash during North Africa campaign (broke his back). Even one of the Asian bit actors eventually died in a US Veterans hospital. Those five "propoganda films" Wayne made with RKO were pure BS. Total make-a-buck-quick B movies. They were ridiculously fakey. The Battan movie got the name right and pretty much nothing else. Total fiction. Even worse was the PT-boat movie. It's no wonder GIs shot to hell booed him off the stage at the Hawaii hospital (my dad may well have been one of them). He was making a mockery of the war and making money at it. How much was their salary? Every movie star who put aside his career to serve never saw their careers suffer after the war. Quite the opposite. But hey, those cheesey war flicks at least provided Wayne an opportunity to screw around on his wife with costar Marlina Dietrich. Yeah, he was a class act. And that John Wayne treading water shuffle. Ever wonder where that came from? He admitted he copied it from Tom Mix ... who was a genuine cowboy. Forgot to mention he used his wife and four little kids as a legitimate excuse to get out of the draft ... initially anyway. Until his philandering ended the marriage. Then he cried to the movie execs to intervene with the draft board because if he was drafted he claimed he would only be a private and he was better than that.

 

[skydiver386]

Seriously, what would he have done on Active Duty that he didn't do as a Civilian? At his age, he would not qualify for training as a pilot, nor a surgeon, or even an Infantryman. He would have been directed by the War Department to do pretty much what he was already doing.

Again, serving or not serving is not an accurate way to judge character, positive or negative. I knew this guy well while I was at the MFFS in Yuma, Az. I don't think anyone would consider home a good role model simply because he served.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/20...ll-sentenced-to-prison-for-child-sex-offense/

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

 

[skydiver386]

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Duly noted.

 

[Tanks]

As a disabled American veteran I have no use for John Wayne. And neither did my WWII disabled vet dad. Here's why. https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/columns/2014/05/26/today-is-107th-birthday-john/37252322007/

Is there anyone you like or agree with?

From that article:

And now, more than 60 years after that film was made and 34 years after Wayne’s death, there is still cause to wonder why this fake war hero is hailed to this day as a model of Americanism, especially by conservative Republicans.

I have a theory: Social conservatives, more than liberals, tend to embrace myths and make-believe. They distrust realities that don’t jibe with their fairy tales.

And it goes on further attacking other mythical personalities like Ronald Reagen etc. while expressing his disdain for "social conservatives".

The whole article is a hit job on Duke in order to attack conservatives.