New model 70 quality in the gutter

[M70375!]

The 416 rem mag is a very awesome DGR in the model 70 .I have 4 416 rem mags all fun to shoot .I have done alot of 200 yard shooting with mine using 300 to 350 grain bullets which will really suprise you for a DGR .

I dropped a moose last fall at 275 yards with 400 gr TSX, love that 416, why shoot a 375 LOL, I have 2 of them but always take the 416 when I want to kill something

 

[M70375!]

I have Model 70s from most eras. Some of the Classic post 64 New Haven guns needed a little time with a Smith to be perfect with respect to feeding, trigger, and safety smoothness.

My three South Carolina guns were all perfect out of the box. The same was true of Portugal guns in my experience in terms of pre covid manufacturing.

Now some of them need work to be right, about like the Classic New Haven guns in my experience.

You are wise to inspect a new rifle before you buy it, I actually like to cycle dummy rounds through the gun to check for feeding and ejection but that is not always possible.

Hopefully they will institute more careful quality control measures as word of problems with the new guns get out.

Issues with new guns are not limited to Winchester. I have personally sent 2 new Smith and Wessons Mountain guns, and a new Ruger Bisley back to the factory this year.

It appears that things have gotten pretty sketchy in this post covid world. If you have a good used gun already, think long and hard before you trade for anything new. That’s the conclusion I’m at.

same can be said for scopes, just send a new Leupold and Swarovski back, both new.

 

[Choupique]

I have a BACO model 70 ewss and I find the quality to be very good. Not a fan of the new trigger - wish it still had the old style. Otherwise, very nice rifle for the price point, or at least what the price point used to be. I don't know that they're worth $1500+ in anything except the safari calibers. For standard .300 win mag and down stuff, I think there are far better options at that price point.

The only baco safari express I've handled was also a nice basic rifle from what I could tell.

 

[t7spoon]

I’m all for tinkering to maximize accuracy. I start with stock before I mess with anything. This is my M70 safari .375 H&H before changing anything shooting 300 gr A-Frames at 100 yds. At this point I’d only mess with the trigger because the stock trigger is a bit heavy.

 

[maxtheflyinghorse]

I am picking up my circa 1998 M70 Classic Super Express 375 this morning from my local FFL. I am hoping the quality is as it should be from a New Haven gun. I know there were issues with the later years production from New Haven. Hoping I hit a sweet spot with this new to me M70.

I would think it would be difficult to overlook a missing front sight blade when it was inspected?
Good luck getting the issue resolved sir.

How did you like it ? This is my classic super express in .375 H&H

 

[RSL]

How did you like it ? This is my classic super express in .375 H&H

I love it so far. Much nicer than described and what the photos indicated. I am waiting to add a nice scope. The barrel is threaded so I have added a Gentry brake. Hopefully, I will get to shoot it Thursday while I am at the range. I am working up a load for my 7mm PRC.

What sling is that on your gorgeous M70? Nice wood.

 

[Hornedfrogbbq]

I am picking up my circa 1998 M70 Classic Super Express 375 this morning from my local FFL. I am hoping the quality is as it should be from a New Haven gun. I know there were issues with the later years production from New Haven. Hoping I hit a sweet spot with this new to me M70.

I would think it would be difficult to overlook a missing front sight blade when it was inspected?
Good luck getting the issue resolved sir.

Pics of the new weapon?

I have really liked this sling on my rifles: https://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/proddetail.php?prod=4165

 

[cajunchefray]

I have Model 70s from most eras. Some of the Classic post 64 New Haven guns needed a little time with a Smith to be perfect with respect to feeding, trigger, and safety smoothness.

My three South Carolina guns were all perfect out of the box. The same was true of Portugal guns in my experience in terms of pre covid manufacturing.

Now some of them need work to be right, about like the Classic New Haven guns in my experience.

You are wise to inspect a new rifle before you buy it, I actually like to cycle dummy rounds through the gun to check for feeding and ejection but that is not always possible.

Hopefully they will institute more careful quality control measures as word of problems with the new guns get out.

Issues with new guns are not limited to Winchester. I have personally sent 2 new Smith and Wessons Mountain guns, and a new Ruger Bisley back to the factory this year.

It appears that things have gotten pretty sketchy in this post covid world. If you have a good used gun already, think long and hard before you trade for anything new. That’s the conclusion I’m at.

I think the SC produced rifles were the best of the M70 series post New Haven. The metal work and fit was very good for a mass production rifle. Like everything else, finished product quality was a crapshoot after the Commie Chinese Virus.

 

[Flbt]

I saw a new model 70 Alaskan in Sportsman's Warehouse yesterday. It was a beautiful rifle, had a really nice stock and felt great in my hands, the balance and handling were great. Then I worked the action and to my great disappointment it was quite rough, but I still really liked it, thinking that I should be able to slickup the action myself without to much trouble, but then I worked the safety and it was so rough that I had considerable difficulty moving it back and forth with my thumb. I thought if I bought it I might end up spending $200 at the gunsmith to get it working properly, then I thought, what is the quality of the barrel going to be like when the rest of the gun is machined so poorly, so I left it on the shelf. They had a good price on it , only $1450. Sure would like to own it if the quality was up to standards. Winchester will go broke again if they keep this up. The gun should have never been left out the door, extremely poor quality control at Winchester these day.

I usto like Winchester.
I am scared of Winchester products
I have know 3 people now that have bought ammo and the bullets do not match what’s on the gun. And Winchester has not responded to calls and emails from them.
The bullets were supposed to be bt but they have jsp in the box.
The mistake is one thing
But not doing what ever they can to fix a ammo mix up.
Simple says stay away from the company very loudly

 

[RSL]

Pics of the new weapon?

I have really liked this sling on my rifles: https://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/proddetail.php?prod=4165

 

[RSL]

Pics of the new weapon?

I have really liked this sling on my rifles: https://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/proddetail.php?prod=4165

Thanks for the sling info. Cool piece.

 

[Muskox]

They were in New Haven until 2006, I believe. I would think 98 will be alright

I had a super grade New Haven gun from the early 2000's it was a piece of shit inletted by a blind disabled guy with a dull chainsaw in the dark.

Stock design was pretty though. This was the David Miller Curt Crumb Winchester M70 Super Grade era. Where the stock was based on one of their stocks.

 

[maxtheflyinghorse]

I love it so far. Much nicer than described and what the photos indicated. I am waiting to add a nice scope. The barrel is threaded so I have added a Gentry brake. Hopefully, I will get to shoot it Thursday while I am at the range. I am working up a load for my 7mm PRC.

What sling is that on your gorgeous M70? Nice wood.

It’s nothing great of a sling. Just something I got off Amazon. It does the job

 

[M70375!]

I just got a new Model 70, 375 and am very disappointed with the quality, it doesn't hold a candle to my 90's production model 70s. The action is rough and and the safety is difficult to operate. I called Browning about it and the guy was an a--hole about it. I really regret buying a new Portuguese P.O.S., I wish I would have looked for a nice used one made in the USA. I also bought a new model 70 338, it has not arrived yet, I hope the quality is better, but I think it is wishful thinking. Had I know how poorly the 375 was made before I bought the 338 on GB, I would have never bid on it.

 

[Doug3006]

I usto like Winchester.
I am scared of Winchester products
I have know 3 people now that have bought ammo and the bullets do not match what’s on the gun. And Winchester has not responded to calls and emails from them.
The bullets were supposed to be bt but they have jsp in the box.
The mistake is one thing
But not doing what ever they can to fix a ammo mix up.
Simple says stay away from the company very loudly

Winchester the ammo company and Winchester the rifle company are two separate entities. Have been since Olin sold Winchester to the Winchester Arms employees back in 1980. The gun company has changed hand a couple of times since then. Olin still owns the ammo company. Ammo problems are Olin’s fault…not Winchester Repeating Arms.