Need a beanfield rifle

[andriesdeklerk]

The final four! Dads wants a 338WinMag but I say a 350Rigby is more classic. Which one. Well the budget is severely crippled by buying two blocks for me instead of one. Project deadline has moved on considerately. One can always get a barrel and an action, wood far more unique. I think it was wise to take the wood while it was available. Now that I have my wood I can tell everybody where I got it. I did mention a price previously but I was wrong. In fact the price for this grade of wood is very competitive. It's not on the website yet but sure it will be later today. Safari and Outdoor South Africa.
Enjoy and I do hope that those blanks find good homes in the followers of this thread! Also got a new CZ550 action!

 

[Ole Bally]

Can anyone post a scientific researched article on "Bullet Yaw".

 

[miroflex]

Met with the gunsmith yesterday. So exiting! After a lengthy conversation with him it seems a custom rifle should be in a more traditional calibre, ...

Hi Andries,

If you are considering something traditional yet capable of 3000 fps you could also consider the .250-3000 Savage. It is a cartridge that has stood the test of time, having been introduced by Savage Arms in 1915.

With 87 grain bullets it achieves the desired velocity and is good enough for varmints but not for deer. With a 100 grain bullet the velocity falls below 3000 fps but makes for a great cartridge for deer sized game. It is thus a dual purpose cartridge, equally suitable for varmints and deer.

Even with a lightweight rifle the recoil level is easily tolerated by ladies and youngsters.

Give it a thought.

Regards and all the best for your project.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

andries,

I know it probably won't meet your velocity requirements of 3000fps, and I don't know the availability of ammo in your part of the world, but, I have a 6mm Rem in a M700 that my son uses. It is very flat shooting and just a step up from the 243 win, but it is a fantastic and accurate rifle. I came across a really good deal for some Remington Core Lokt's 3 years ago 100 gr, for around $15 per box, bought 200 rds. Don't know if I was much help, but, it really is a fantastic caliber, and not every Tom, Dick or Harry has one.

As far as the 22 caliber cartridges out there, (I love the 223 but don't own one, just don't have the need at this time) I won't knock anyone for using them, but, there are better alternatives (in my opinion) for hunting furbearers.

Good luck in you search.

Another route might be to consider the 25-06...

@35bore
What about a 6mm Remington AI or a 240 Weatherby.
But I agree a nice 25 ought six loaded with either a 85 grain nosler ballistic tip or 90 grain Sierra HPBTGK.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

What bullets do you plan to use?
With all bullets you can use for a 244H&H, even the heaviest, you will get very high speeds if you load close to max and it will shoot out the barrel very quickly.
And it is no point to have a cartridge like that and download it.

I really think it would be a fun cartridge to own, but I would have it in a gun that I use in situations where I would only shoot one or 2 shots at the time before the barrel would get time to cool totally down again. This would greatly increase the barrel life.

If you plan to use it in situations with much shooting, making the barrel hot, I would either use the 6mm Norma BR or the Norma 6XC.
They are both extremely accurate and the barrel life is long with them both.
And as said earlier, the Norma 6XC would be my choice for that

@Norwegianwoods
The only problem as I see it with the 244 H&H is projectiles are limited as it is 248 bore. The only way around it is do what my gunsmith did.
Built a custom 244 but made it a standard 6mm bore size.
The 6mmAI isn't that far behind it and close to the 240 Weatherby.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

The reason for the 6mm is the better quality of the bullets. The .224 just too soft, premature blow ups in blesbuck head shots. Sometimes there is this trophy buck you just have to have that does not present a head shot and body shots the only option. I have taken two impala with shoulder shots with a 22-250. I found them, far from dead but I found them. This is what impairs the .223/.224 class rifles when it comes to hunting. The twist of the 223Rem and the 22-250 barrels not short enough to stabilize monolithic hollow points like Barnes. The idea is to have a 243 with all the extras and personally I think this the best medicine for our animals that fits in the size class off between Coues and whitetail deer. 85gr at 3600ft second will split a stubborn Blesbuck's head at 300yards. Spoke to my Friend at Safari and Outdoor a few days ago and he mentioned to me that they have a consignment of best grade (exhibition class) wood blanks coming in from Turkey. He said I haven't seen blanks like this from before. The one thread reads gun porn? Blank porn for sure, I can star at beautiful piece of wood all day long. So I have first pick when they come. This will be the first step in my new rifle. The best piece of wood money could buy. Secondly the calibre, which we are busy sorting out on this tread. Then it will become a barrel and action discussion. I have a Shilen barrel on my 416Rigby so maybe one of those match grade ones. The telescope will be a Leopold!

@andriesdeklerk
Sorry to disappoint you old son but there ain't no way you are going to get 3,600 fps out of a 243 with 85 grain projectiles, maybe 3,000 fps if you are lucky. He'll a 25 out six is pushing poop up hill to get that. A 257 Weatherby will easily achieve those speeds tho..
Bob

 

[Firebird]

Read this with interest and some opinions then I saw it was from 2012 and lost interest-would be interested to know what the op ended up with though.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Everything in a rifle is a compromize. I dont want to burst your bubble but standard cartridges fit the bill and with a good barrel and properly cut chamber will deliver .25 MOA. YOU CANNOT GET BENCHREST ACCURACY WITH A 98 MUASER ACTION. While you can get a very accurate rifle with a 98 Mauser YOU AINT GETTING .25 MOA. For the dollars spent the remington M700 trued and fitted properly fitted with a match barrel in a standard caliber is the best way to get there.How do I know I build rifles about 100 a year.

@BARTFRNCS.
Ain't nothing wrong with a savage action either. Lugs don't need trying as it is a floating bolt head. Just true the threads for the barrel and nut, true action face and lock nut replace the recoil lug with one that I'd perfectly flat and done. Far better action in my humble opinion but I don't build rifles. Savage are also more accurate from the box than Remington.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Read this with interest and some opinions then I saw it was from 2012 and lost interest-would be interested to know what the op ended up with though.

@Firebird
It maybe an old post but I find the older answers interesting and learning and seeing how things and opinions have changed over time.
Bob