More than two shots.......

[Red Leg]

They each got a couple..


YOUTUBE is full of examples.

Interesting. This bull seemed to be doing exactly what mine did in the Limpopo two weeks ago. He appears to be coming directly up the scent line looking for them, and in this case, the client fires just as he picks them up and starts a charge. In my case, the shot hit him just as he cleared at about the same distance, but he had not yet seen us. The shot turned him and my second one put him down. I can testify that though a Blaser R8 is not a double it cycles very, very quickly.

 

[IvW]

Is an ejector of no value in a charge situation....?

HWL

Ejection is just one step of the reloading process. Ejector guns are slightly harder to open but seem to be slightly faster.

Most people take their eyes off the animal when they reload a double.

Extractor or ejector would be personal choice. The main problem with a double rifle reload is the lack of competence as most double users do not truly practice reloading them.

I have often experienced double rifle users fire the first shot too quickly, before they have made sure the shot goes where it should.

A competent shooter with a bolt gun is marginally(very marginally) slower than a competent double shooter for the second shot. After the second shot the double is out of the game with respect to the third and fourth shot as far as time is concerned.

Irrespective of which rifle or action type you choose, you need to put in the practice with it, especially if you plan on hunting DG.

Cats are easier to stop but are more difficult to hit properly as they are smaller and the speed of the charge is at high speed and sometimes launched from very close in.

Watch some Lion charge footage and then see how many shots miss over the top due to the speed of the charge. In many cases if the shooter waited a touch longer and had his aim correct it would take but one well placed shot.

Everybody knows that placing the first shot correctly is the best, this will also ensure that you do not need to get into a charge situation in the first place.

Now if you think placing the first shot is very important, trust me placing the first shot in a charge situation is more important. Do not rush the first shot during a charge irrespective of using a double or a bolt gun, you have to make sure that first shot goes where it has to, then you do not need to concern yourself about the second or the reload.

It does take some guts and balls to hold and ensure shot placement during a charge but it will ensure the best outcome.

The old saying practice makes perfect is true when reloading, so take the time and practice it and also practice shooting at moving targets.

 

[HWL]

I can testify that though a Blaser R8 is not a double it cycles very, very quickly.

Do you think the chances for placeing a third shot are better with a straigt pull repeater than with an ejector equiped double barrel rifle?

IvW gave a side of interesting informations, but finally, he did not answer the question....



HWL

 

[Red Leg]

Do you think the chances for placeing a third shot are better with a straigt pull repeater than with an ejector equiped double barrel rifle?

IvW gave a side of interesting informations, but finally, he did not answer the question....



HWL

He is the expert. And I believe he noted that the double would be “out of the game” in a charge after the second shot.

But with respect to a third shot, I know I can fire three or four aimed shots from a straight pull faster than an ejector equipped double. There have been timed four shot runs where an expert with a double (at least an expert at reloading- not the same as facing in-bound hostiles) actually beat a Mauser-type action. But a straight pull is in a different league. At least from my perspective.

All that said, having the opportunity to get off three shots from anything at an animal in an all out charge would have to be pretty rare.

The more likely scenario to me is the third or fourth shot at something headed away. Additional hits on a marginally hit buff can make a huge difference in a follow-up. A failed brain shot on an elephant is another obvious example. An R8 and it’s ilk can do that awfully well.

 

[Hunting Hitman]

I will through my two cents in...As I love to hunt dangerous game I have only been involved in 1 charge incident on a wounded(insert bad shot by me)buffalo. I was able to get 2 shots from my double and my PH 1 shot from a bolt and backup apprentice PH 1 shot from a bolt. The head PH was actually struck and spun like a propeller by this enormous Bull then ran off. I was able to reload and shoot him 2 more times as he was moving off which broke him down enough to quickly finish him.
The short answer is 2 shots max. Some hunters myself not included will carry 2 additional cartridges in between their fingers on the stock hand for quick reload while using a double.

HH

 

[HWL]

The short answer is 2 shots max. Some hunters myself not included will carry 2 additional cartridges in between their fingers on the stock hand for quick reload while using a double.

HH

Do you think, an ejector is useless in a cases of emergency.

Not enough time to reload, not even with an ejector equipped double?

Double or straight pull repeater?

What I am thinking about is this rifle....

Unfortunately, this video is not in english, but nontheless easy to understand.

The R8 500 J-rifle seems to be a serious charge stopper and it can be converted to any other interesting cartridge within a minute.


HWL

 

[Hunting Hitman]

Blaser make a good rifle in the R8 and they seem to have fixed the issue on the R93 with the bolt coming back unexpectedly after a shot from a large caliber. Ejectors are always a good option and make for easier follow up shots on animals that need extra shots to put down...the point I believe most are trying to make about a charge is you just don’t have the time to execute more than 2 shots before the animal is in contact with you. The key here is accuracy not quantity.

 

[norfolk shooter]

conscience/s-a person's moral sense of right and wrong, viewed as acting as a guide to one's behaviour. I am not sure of but consensus yes, rarely more than two especially in a charge situation.

Sorry for the spelling error but in my defence English is my third language and one i have always struggled with in written form

 

[norfolk shooter]

I remember when I purchased my first DG rifle. I was offered a blaser and a very nice Mauser action Francotte. I came to the forum for advice and the general opinion was go for the Francotte due to the control round feed.
What I have come to learn is use what you want just use it well with accuracy and confidence

 

[Red Leg]

Do you think, an ejector is useless in a cases of emergency.

Not enough time to reload, not even with an ejector equipped double?

Double or straight pull repeater?

What I am thinking about is this rifle....

Unfortunately, this video is not in english, but nontheless easy to understand.

The R8 500 J-rifle seems to be a serious charge stopper and it can be converted to any other interesting cartridge within a minute.


HWL

Fabulous rifles.

 

[Eric Anderson]

Never been charged, but I do not see being able to get off more than two good shots based off of videos I have seen.

 

[Tally-Ho HUNTING SAFARIS]

I was just wondering how often in a charge situation do you need more than 2 shots?? Or have the time to get off more than two? Be honest guys Id love to know.

In my experience if you in a charge situation two shots is never enough!!!!

Regards

 

[PaulT]

In my experience if you in a charge situation two shots is never enough!!!!

Regards

+ 1.

Years ago I posted an article here on Ahunting.com about an incident with a buffalo where by the time the ordeal was over 18 shots from a .458 Lott (mine) and a .470 double (the client) had been fired.

Certainly not the norm, but then again, when hunting buff what exactly is the "norm". Shit can, and does happen.

Give me a magazine full of cigar sized shells any day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[4 Bore]

I faced a charge situation from a Cape Buffalo after my first shot from a .450 Nitro Express Rigby Double rifle . The second shot at 7 yards put it down . It was a miracle . I can never forget that day . Had the second shot failed to stop the beast , the only thing that could save me would be my Professional Hunter with his .458 Magnum.
I agree with most of the gentlemen here . Usually your window of time allows you two shots.
Also , my Rigby .450 NE has a peculiarity . After Two double shots in quick succession , the barrels get so hot that it is impossible to hold the gun without sustaining a burn ( which l once did get , because l had to fire a third shot once to put down a mortally wounded Kodoo . My right hand got a little burnt while gripping the gun for the third shot ).
So , from my experience , l would say that 2 shots are about all you can get in ...
Unless you use a Semi Automatic .

 

[Red Leg]

I faced a charge situation from a Cape Buffalo after my first shot from a .450 Nitro Express Rigby Double rifle . The second shot at 7 yards put it down . It was a miracle . I can never forget that day . Had the second shot failed to stop the beast , the only thing that could save me would be my Professional Hunter with his .458 Magnum.
I agree with most of the gentlemen here . Usually your window of time allows you two shots.
Also , my Rigby .450 NE has a peculiarity . After Two double shots in quick succession , the barrels get so hot that it is impossible to hold the gun without sustaining a burn ( which l once did get , because l had to fire a third shot once to put down a mortally wounded Kodoo . My right hand got a little burnt while gripping the gun for the third shot ).
So , from my experience , l would say that 2 shots are about all you can get in ...
Unless you use a Semi Automatic .

When using an English styled double gun or rifle (i.e. with splinter forend) I always, always, always wear a glove on the left hand (I am right handed). Proper hold of a rifle or a gun is by the barrels - not the splinter of wood. Shooting driven game in particular with a double will heat up shotgun barrels to the point of blistering skin. Even a six bird clays stand, or tower pheasants can make them uncomfortable to hold properly. The powder charges in a double rifle will do the same after a couple of shots.

I really believe my Blaser R8 is as fast for aimed shots as any medium caliber + semi-auto I own.

 

[4 Bore]

When using an English styled double gun or rifle (i.e. with splinter forend) I always, always, always wear a glove on the left hand (I am right handed). Proper hold of a rifle or a gun is by the barrels - not the splinter of wood. Shooting driven game in particular with a double will heat up shotgun barrels to the point of blistering skin. Even a six bird clays stand, or tower pheasants can make them uncomfortable to hold properly. The powder charges in a double rifle will do the same after a couple of shots.

I really believe my Blaser R8 is as fast for aimed shots as any medium caliber + semi-auto I own.

Your answer is very relieving , sir. Here , l was thinking that the reason my .450 NE double rifle by Rigby Heats up , was because it is a vintage gun , probably from an era when Steel barrel making wasn't as developed as it is now. It's the only double rifle l have , so l had no other way of knowing that this was a natural phenomenon with all Large caliber double rifles.
Oddly , l never had that problem with my 12 bore over under Beretta shotgun or my 7mm ( like you said , it probably has something to do with the for end and the caliber ).
About your Blaser , l agree whole Heartedly. I have had the privilege to hunt with my relatives in the states. A relative of mine did stop a charging black bear with 4 shots from a Semi Automatic Browning Rifle , and he was very fast . But with a bolt action or a double , l doubt one usually gets more than two shots in , during a charge situation... But l could be wrong

 

[Red Leg]

You will never have that problem with an O/U. An O/U, like your Beretta, is properly held by the forend wood. Only SxS guns with splinter (English) style forends cause this issue because they are properly held by the barrels. I have a petite little English 20 bore that will nearly brand the unwary with a Birmingham address after just a very few of shots.

And not to worry. The steel on that rifle is some of the finest barrel steel ever made.