Mannlicher carbines and double set triggers

[MS 9x56]

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1943 Mauser Oberndorf Sporting Rifle Type M, originally in 7X57S, rebarrelled in 6.5X55 during restoration.

The closer you adjust the screw to off for the set trigger the lower the pull on the front trigger.

 

[MS 9x56]

Not sure about the Manlichers but on the Mausers/Brnos, you would have to change the main spring to softer one. Sometimes you can find different setup where the trigger lever or the release lever are slightly longer or differently shape for more leverage but that is a lot of fiddling. For hunting I too like the simplicity of the original single, two-stage trigger. The dual triggers are nice for when you really have time to set them - as in ambush hunting...

When stand hunting I often use the set trigg go get. When still hunting I use front unset trigger only as more often than not there is no time to use the set function.

 

[Milan]

The closer you adjust the screw to off for the set trigger the lower the pull on the front trigger.

I think the op meant how to adjust front trigger for lighter pull in non-set operation. But I could be mistaken.

 

[MS 9x56]

I think the op meant how to adjust front trigger for lighter pull in non-set operation. But I could be mistaken.

Can’t say on other guns but my Mauser if you run the screw all the way in it disables the set trigger and gives the unset front trigger it’s lightest pull.

 

[Milan]

Can’t say on other guns but my Mauser if you run the screw all the way in it disables the set trigger and gives the unset front trigger it’s lightest pull.

I think that is correct. and by non-set operation I meant unset as in "still want to be able to set it". I completely forgot one could eliminate it altogether. At leas on one of mine I think. But you're right about the function. Thus one is left with somewhat lighter main trigger pull but no or much stiffer set trigger. Mind you, at least on my guns, the main trigger is still stiff and the stiffest set trigger is still much lighter but definitely not as nice as it's "hair" setting. So I went for lightest set trigger set up. Will have to play with them again to see which one adjusted the best. I have three kinds - FN Deluxe Mauser trigger set, multiple Brno 21/22 and a commercial Mauser one. The lightest set trigger if the FN, the best main trigger is the Mauser if I recall correctly.

 

[MS 9x56]

My main trigger is very similar to the old 2 stage military triggers.

 

[SaintPanzer]

I think the op meant how to adjust front trigger for lighter pull in non-set operation. But I could be mistaken.

Certainly, this is what I meant. I guess I could reduce the set a bit. Will try that.

 

[Milan]

My main trigger is very similar to the old 2 stage military triggers.

Lucky you. Mine have a gritty creep as the trigger lever slides across the sear engagement lever. Stiffness seems more as well. But really:
1) totally useable and more then adequate and not nearly as bad as some out of the box Remington triggers
2) I'd have to compare them all side by side to refresh my memory

 

[Milan]

Certainly, this is what I meant. I guess I could reduce the set a bit. Will try that.

Might be just enough difference to get you what you want.

 

[MS 9x56]

Lucky you. Mine have a gritty creep as the trigger lever slides across the sear engagement lever. Stiffness seems more as well. But really:
1) totally useable and more then adequate and not nearly as bad as some out of the box Remington triggers
2) I'd have to compare them all side by side to refresh my memory

If you can easily remove the triggers you can use a sharpening stone to polish the interacting surfaces. You will be amazed what a difference it will make. Polishing doesn’t remove much material it just smoothed the surfaces making them glide across each other. It won’t make the pull any lighter but it will feel that way.

 

[Milan]

If you can easily remove the triggers you can use a sharpening stone to polish the interacting surfaces. You will be amazed what a difference it will make. Polishing doesn’t remove much material it just smoothed the surfaces making them glide across each other. It won’t make the pull any lighter but it will feel that way.

That I have done on one of them already and yes it does help in the smoothness but the trigger weight obviously does not change. Still, worth doing IMHO.

 

[MS 9x56]

Actually my favorite set trigger is not a double trigger but the push forward to set single trigger on my CZ 550 FS. Love that trigger and wish I could put it on several of my other rifles.

 

[Milan]

Actually my favorite set trigger is not a double trigger but the push forward to set single trigger on my CZ 550 FS. Love that trigger and wish I could put it on several of my other rifles.

Yeah they are not bad at all. the CZ 550 being better than the ZKK 600 ones. And I prefer the single trigger shoe. But I could never get mine to adjust as light as the two-trigger ones. Then again, one could probably play with springs and get it exactly the way one wants. Then again, it works right out of the box so I tend not to mess with things that are "more than good enough".

 

[Louis Toadvine]

Yeah they are not bad at all. the CZ 550 being better than the ZKK 600 ones. And I prefer the single trigger shoe. But I could never get mine to adjust as light as the two-trigger ones. Then again, one could probably play with springs and get it exactly the way one wants. Then again, it works right out of the box so I tend not to mess with things that are "more than good enough".

Actually my favorite set trigger is not a double trigger but the push forward to set single trigger on my CZ 550 FS. Love that trigger and wish I could put it on several of my other rifles.

I like the set trigger in the CZ 550, but by far my favorite is the one in my Steyr Mannlicher SM12. I haven't measured it, but it can't be more than a few ounces. It's actually scary how light it is. You can basically just rub the side of the trigger and it pulls. You definitely want to be careful and certain before you engage the set trigger on that one.

 

[MS 9x56]

My 7x57 Mauser is the same way about 6-8 ounces when set it is definitely not for use with gloves on.

 

[Brian Rothhammer]

My 7x57 Mauser is the same way about 6-8 ounces when set it is definitely not for use with gloves on.

Mauser (Stoeger, 1939)

Mannlicher Schoenauer M1900 (military, single trigger)

Mannlicher Schoenauer M1903 (DST, grip cap storage for spare sight bead)

Stoeger, 1963

Mannlicher Schoenauer M1903 Double Set Trigger assembly

 

[CoElkHunter]

I like the set trigger in the CZ 550, but by far my favorite is the one in my Steyr Mannlicher SM12. I haven't measured it, but it can't be more than a few ounces. It's actually scary how light it is. You can basically just rub the side of the trigger and it pulls. You definitely want to be careful and certain before you engage the set trigger on that one.

Those set triggers on my CZ 550s are scary! I've only set the triggers when at the range and even then with a large bore rifle I was NOT comfortable with it. I see no use for them except for sighting in. I'll bet the "let off" is a pound or less. What is/was the purpose of them in the first place? Large bore rifles aren't target rifles for long range precision shooting.

 

[CJW]

Those set triggers on my CZ 550s are scary! I've only set the triggers when at the range and even then with a large bore rifle I was NOT comfortable with it. I see no use for them except for sighting in. I'll bet the "let off" is a pound or less. What is/was the purpose of them in the first place? Large bore rifles aren't target rifles for long range precision shooting.

I had no idea they had them until the guy I just bought my 550 375 off of said something about it and yes they are very light. I'll play with it at the range but don't see myself using it hunting. At least they figured out how to do it with only one trigger instead of two.

 

[Milan]

Those set triggers on my CZ 550s are scary! I've only set the triggers when at the range and even then with a large bore rifle I was NOT comfortable with it. I see no use for them except for sighting in. I'll bet the "let off" is a pound or less. What is/was the purpose of them in the first place? Large bore rifles aren't target rifles for long range precision shooting.

Well, look at it this way...They made one type of trigger (not strictly true as there were some special models with non-set triggers but for all intents and purposes...) for all CZ 550 models. Most of those were in small to medium bore calibers. Those tend to be used in Europe from hunting stands/blinds, where there is time and opportunity to use such trigger for more precise shot placements. They just have not bothered to create another trigger for the big bores. And that makes sense to me. Especially since you can simply adjust the set out of it and never worry about it. Beauty of the choice you have with these triggers.

 

[yamoon]

when not in the woods, I shoot German schuetzen rifles, all are double set trigger. I have one that is a 4 lever. I don’t know the exact let off, but it is less than 1 oz. I hunt with DST rifles, since I hunt from a blind, I don’t feel handicapped by set triggers. I imagine if I hunted dangerous game, I would use a single trigger rifle.
Mike