Looking for more reach then my .375 ..options?

[charlieB12345]

I have been working on this idea myself for a few years now. Tried a 338 win mag, didn't get me to where I thought I wanted to be. Have been shooting 375 H&H with CEB 235 gr Safari Raptors with good success. I just loaded about 100 yesterday. 73 gr IMR 4064, CCI 250 primer, new RP cases. Ruger #1 H, getting 2875 fps. This load is safe in my rifle, not a max load. I am not looking for long range performance, just flatter shooting with good performance with a little less recoil. I have killed 2 cow elk with this load, terminal performance is outstanding. I think this load would work for anything short of cape buffalo. Something along this line would be an outstanding plains game load.

That's all im asking ..something nice and flat

 

[Carnivore hunter]

A comparison for those suggesting a lighter .375 bullet at higher velocity. I used Buffalo Bore Supercharged 375 H&H with Barnes 270gr TSX at box listed velocity of 2750fps Vs. my own 338 Lapua loaded with 300gr Berger OTM bullets at 2733fps. The 338 already has a significant advantage over the 375 at the muzzle but really starts to show its potential as you get farther out. At 300 yards the 338 has a 900ftlb advantage and at 500 it’s just over a 1000. View attachment 638914View attachment 638915

How does the 338 Lapua compare to the 375 RUM and 378 WBY at 500 yards and 1000 yards with velocity, energy and trajectory?

 

[Nhoro]

The long range craze is all built around heavy for calibre bullets. The new calibres (creedmore, rum etc) are designed to push heavy for calibre High bc bullets. So downgrading your 300 gr to lighter bullets is poor science. Buy a range finder because bullets drop is quantifiable. Then use mils or dials on your scope. 300 gr bullets will buck wind better.

Flat trajectories only help within 300 m or so. As soon as you need to holdover, your trajectory is immaterial and your judgement is everything. Judging 15 " or 30 " holdover is all a bit of a crapshoot. So if you really want to shoot longer range, use a rangefinder and ballistics app like Hornady. Then go to the range and verify. And just remember and animal can walk or move enough between your trigger pull and the bullet arriving for you to have a long day following a blood trail and a dent in your wallet with nothing to show for it.

 

[grand veneur]

How does the 338 Lapua compare to the 375 RUM and 378 WBY at 500 yards and 1000 yards with velocity, energy and trajectory?

The cartridge 338 Lapua Magnum cannot be compared to cartridges caliber 375.

 

[DieJager]

I absolutely love my model 70 in
375 h&h but i want a caliber that is equivalent in power but has longer reach out and touch them range... Opinions?

My 375 with light copper mono bullets is easy shooting up to 300 meters and beyond. Shot a roebuck close to 300 meters with it.

With the right bullet selection and scope you do not need anything else.

 

[grand veneur]

Looking for more reach then my .375 ..options?​

That was the first question of this thread, but without specifying the caliber.

If we want to stay within the performance range of the cartridge 375 H&H Magnum, only the cartridge 378 Weatherby Magnum would be an option, with all the problems associated with such a cartridge.

 

[DieJager]

So downgrading your 300 gr to lighter bullets is poor science

I disagree. My 375 ammo from Sax that is 154 grain will level almost anything.

Those new mono bullets of copper and or messing behave a lot different than lead. Much less weight needed for devastating results. Better flight paths and more velocity.

 

[grand veneur]

What is long, heavy, and initially fast, moves at longer range. This applies to the aircraft carrier as well as to rifle bullets.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

The long range craze is all built around heavy for calibre bullets. The new calibres (creedmore, rum etc) are designed to push heavy for calibre High bc bullets. So downgrading your 300 gr to lighter bullets is poor science. Buy a range finder because bullets drop is quantifiable. Then use mils or dials on your scope. 300 gr bullets will buck wind better.

Flat trajectories only help within 300 m or so. As soon as you need to holdover, your trajectory is immaterial and your judgement is everything. Judging 15 " or 30 " holdover is all a bit of a crapshoot. So if you really want to shoot longer range, use a rangefinder and ballistics app like Hornady. Then go to the range and verify. And just remember and animal can walk or move enough between your trigger pull and the bullet arriving for you to have a long day following a blood trail and a dent in your wallet with nothing to show for it.

I agree. The long range craze is just a marketing ploy to sell more guns and technocrap. I refuse to be a slave to fashion. My 30-06 could be made into a 500 yard tack driver but I just don't see the point in it. Not for hunting anyway. Which is more rewarding: spotting an elk at 700 yards, calculating the drop and drift, and then firing a bullet that hopefully arrives on time and with enough gas left in the tank to mortally wound a beautiful animal OR tracking a moose and getting the drop on it close enough to see its eyelashes? Hunter skill vs equipment. One is learned and one is bought. One is highly valued, the other is just highly expensive.

I took two animals long range in Africa with my PH's 270 WSM. Those were the only two shots I ever fired with that rifle or caliber. How much "skill" was involved? Meah! The gun did it, not me. Prior to that I had only shot at one elk over 300 yards with my 30-06. By the time it was all over and done with three days later, I sure wished I hadn't.

 

[Scott CWO]

I absolutely love my model 70 in
375 h&h but i want a caliber that is equivalent in power but has longer reach out and touch them range... Opinions?

Moose/bear/african Plans game

I’ve hunted/guided brown bear/grizzly hunts since 1998. This is dangerous game hunting. It has no correlation to plains game or moose. It is dangerous and unethical to shoot at an unwounded dangerous game animal at over 200 yards and I prefer 150 yards or less. One small miscalculation, gusting wind or a yanked trigger and you’ve got a wounded dangerous animal on your hands. One of my best friends and fellow guides was nearly killed by a bear shot twice at close range with a 375 H&H and once with a 416 Remington Mag. He got a fourth shot into the bear with the 416 RM when it charged at 15 yards and it still mauled him badly. There should be no such thing as a long range brown bear or grizzly rifle. Period.

I had a good friend and client get upset with me for not letting him take a 300 yard shot at a big brown bear that walked away. He didn’t understand the distinction between DG and PG hunting. A few days later, he shot a big bear at close range and had to shoot it several times. Only then did he appreciate why I would not let him shoot on the earlier scenario.

Just a year ago on a brown bear hunt, I let a client take a 200 yards prone shot at a standing broadside 10’ bear with a 375 H&H. There was no way to get closer without losing sight of the bear or spooking it due to the noisy brush. He hit the bear perfectly. It folded, dropped and rolled down the hill and out of sight. After waiting 40 minutes, that bear still got up and charged us at 20 yards in thick Devils Club brush and alders as we very cautiously approached. Luckily, I put it down with a shot from my 458 Lott or I might not be writing this post. Hunting DG is serious business and is not in the same league or decision making process as PG.

For moose, elk and plains game, I can understand extending range a bit and some good suggestions have been made to you in this thread but there’s a big distinction between those animals and any dangerous game animal anywhere on the planet, whether it be in Africa or Alaska. Just wanted to point this out to you and others because some people don’t get it until something bad happens.

 

[Beck]

I know it's not the same, but if you're looking for reach/power maybe consider a .300 weatherby

 

[Carnivore hunter]

I agree. The long range craze is just a marketing ploy to sell more guns and technocrap. I refuse to be a slave to fashion. My 30-06 could be made into a 500 yard tack driver but I just don't see the point in it. Not for hunting anyway. Which is more rewarding: spotting an elk at 700 yards, calculating the drop and drift, and then firing a bullet that hopefully arrives on time and with enough gas left in the tank to mortally wound a beautiful animal OR tracking a moose and getting the drop on it close enough to see its eyelashes? Hunter skill vs equipment. One is learned and one is bought. One is highly valued, the other is just highly expensive.

I took two animals long range in Africa with my PH's 270 WSM. Those were the only two shots I ever fired with that rifle or caliber. How much "skill" was involved? Meah! The gun did it, not me. Prior to that I had only shot at one elk over 300 yards with my 30-06. By the time it was all over and done with three days later, I sure wished I hadn't.

What if you shot the elk using a 338 or 375 at 300 yards? What do you think the results would have been?

 

[Red Leg]

I disagree. My 375 ammo from Sax that is 154 grain will level almost anything.

Those new mono bullets of copper and or messing behave a lot different than lead. Much less weight needed for devastating results. Better flight paths and more velocity.

154 gr 375 projectile that will level almosr anything? I don't care if it is made of kryptonite, it would have the sectional density of a hub cap. Would love to see the down range trajectory/ penetration compared to a 270 or 300 gr bullet.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

What if you were to have shot the elk using a 338 or 375 at 300 yards? What do you think the results would have been?

The same. I clipped the Achilles tendon right rear hock. 375 or 338 would have made no difference. With no snow and only a few drops of blood I tracked that bull past/around two waterfalls and caught him stuck on the wall of the canyon next to the third waterfall. Dropped him with a neck shot at fifty yards. Took two more days to get him out of that hole. Almost cost me one horse and my brother's life. My flashlight broke and we were stuck overnight under a spruce tree in a downpour.

What if the bullet placement had been better with 338/375 (a big "if"). Had I dropped that bull on the spot, what would have been the accomplishment, relatively speaking?

The year before I shot this bull just over the ridge from the same canyon.

Tracked in new snow from daybreak until jumping him at sixty yards at about eleven o'clock. Shot him in the back of the head going away in thick stuff. I then spent the rest of the day dragging him downhill to the truck. In fact, I rode him for a good ways when G3 on his left antler hooked my pants. This is the ridge. Steep enough that I had to tie a leg to a tree to gut him.

Relatively speaking, taking this bull was a much more significant accomplishment. And I didn't have to miss two days work at the plant, including one holiday pay. Besides being dicey, long shots are more boring than up close and personal. And they can be a helluva lot more work.

Shooting animals at long range is ... just shooting animals at long range. Minimal to no real hunting is involved.

 

[khesser]

I’ve hunted/guided brown bear/grizzly hunts since 1998. This is dangerous game hunting. It has no correlation to plains game or moose. It is dangerous and unethical to shoot at an unwounded dangerous game animal at over 200 yards and I prefer 150 yards or less. One small miscalculation, gusting wind or a yanked trigger and you’ve got a wounded dangerous animal on your hands. One of my best friends and fellow guides was nearly killed by a bear shot twice at close range with a 375 H&H and once with a 416 Remington Mag. He got a fourth shot into the bear with the 416 RM when it charged at 15 yards and it still mauled him badly. There should be no such thing as a long range brown bear or grizzly rifle. Period.

I had a good friend and client get upset with me for not letting him take a 300 yard shot at a big brown bear that walked away. He didn’t understand the distinction between DG and PG hunting. A few days later, he shot a big bear at close range and had to shoot it several times. Only then did he appreciate why I would not let him shoot on the earlier scenario.

Just a year ago on a brown bear hunt, I let a client take a 200 yards prone shot at a standing broadside 10’ bear with a 375 H&H. There was no way to get closer without losing sight of the bear or spooking it due to the noisy brush. He hit the bear perfectly. It folded, dropped and rolled down the hill and out of sight. After waiting 40 minutes, that bear still got up and charged us at 20 yards in thick Devils Club brush and alders as we very cautiously approached. Luckily, I put it down with a shot from my 458 Lott or I might not be writing this post. Hunting DG is serious business and is not in the same league or decision making process as PG.

For moose, elk and plains game, I can understand extending range a bit and some good suggestions have been made to you in this thread but there’s a big distinction between those animals and any dangerous game animal anywhere on the planet, whether it be in Africa or Alaska. Just wanted to point this out to you and others because some people don’t get it until something bad happens.

No matter the distance shot placement still counts. I took a Kodiak brown bear with my 338 LM from 250 yards. No way to get closer without spooking the bear. We were both on a beach with just a log pile between us. Took the shot from behind the log pile and instantly dropped the bear. After a minute you could see the bear try and get up and one more shot stopped that. I grew up on Kodiak and seen bears taken with various calibers including a skinning knife. Even with the big bores if you’re shot placement is poor then you’re gonna have a bad day.

 

[62flint]

The cartridge 338 Lapua Magnum cannot be compared to cartridges caliber 375.

why not ? I know the lapua is long range cartridge, But ballistics can still be compared.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

why not ? I know the lapua is long range cartridge, But ballistics can still be compared.

Flint, English is not his first language. I think he means "is not comparable to".

 

[khesser]

How does the 338 Lapua compare to the 375 RUM and 378 WBY at 500 yards and 1000 yards with velocity, energy and trajectory?

Here is a chart showing difference between 338 LM using my load data vs what I pulled for a 375 RUM both with 300gr projectiles. Can clearly see the effect bullet BC has once you started getting out past a few hundred yards.

 

[DieJager]

154 gr 375 projectile that will level almosr anything? I don't care if it is made of kryptonite, it would have the sectional density of a hub cap. Would love to see the down range trajectory/ penetration compared to a 270 or 300 gr bullet.

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Talked extensively with the company. They have used it themselves and customers that used it successfully on dozens of buffalo. Also elephant side brain shot. The back of the bullet acts as a solid. They have heavier projectiles. Also bullets for frontal brain shots meplat solids. But used in buffalo front side they found this bullet in the back end.
Seeing results I am confident.

@michael458 has a lot of interesting data on lighter bullets from brass and copper and how they behave . Maybe he can chime in.

 

[Carnivore hunter]

Here is a chart showing difference between 338 LM using my load data vs what I pulled for a 375 RUM both with 300gr projectiles. Can clearly see the effect bullet BC has once you started getting out past a few hundred yards.
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Thank you for that...

For "Dangerous Game" hunting especially cape buffalo where shots are often within 50 yards wouldn't the 375 RUM be better?