Kakar Deer & How We Typically Hunt Them

Sir, really enjoyed the article. Seems like the deer is somewhat similar in size to a our Roe deer.
Die Jager
Thank you . Do Roe Deer also weigh 18 Kilograms ? Are they hunted with shotguns loaded with AAA cartridges or No. 4 buckshot , as well ? I have just looked at a photograph on the internet , of a Roe Deer. They look quite similar in size to our Kakar Deer , indeed . Are they ever hunted in Eupore , by conducting beats ?
 
Panther Shooter, thanks for sharing your / a typical deer hunt with us. As you said, we are all cooped up and looking for a little excitement. There are a number of different species of deer in the U.S. The larger White Tails are generally found in the Northern States and smaller versions in the Southern States. However there has been significant efforts to relocate some of the genetics so that the larger species can now be found in the South as well. BTW is your rifle equipped with a receiver / peep sight? If so, what brand is it?
Shootist43
I am honored that you have enjoyed it so much. My rifle is a 7 millimeter Remington Magnum , built by an American custom rifle maker named Mr. Jim Zahm of Oregon, USA in 1973 . It is built on a Springfield Model 1903 receiver , with a Turkish walnut stock and a Douglas barrel. The rifle has a rear peep sight , which was the standard default set up offered by Mr. Zahm . I prefer using the rear peep sight in terrains with thick shrub , where close quarters shooting is desirable . Such as hunting Chital Deer in areas like Jamalpur or Nijhom Deap . Or hunting wild boars in Rangamatti .
 
Die Jager
Thank you . Do Roe Deer also weigh 18 Kilograms ? Are they hunted with shotguns loaded with AAA cartridges or No. 4 buckshot , as well ? I have just looked at a photograph on the internet , of a Roe Deer. They look quite similar in size to our Kakar Deer , indeed . Are they ever hunted in Eupore , by conducting beats ?

A full mature buck can weigh up to, approximately, 35 kg. On average a young buck or a mature doe will weigh, that is after beiing gutted, 18 kg. In the Netherlands beating for hunting roe deer is prohibited. In other parts in Europe it is allowed. It is fairly common practice. We cannot use buckshot. Minimum energy required is 980 joule @ 100 meters. Minimum caliber is 5.6 or .22.

I think Sweden allows hunting Roe deer with buckshot but I am not certain.
 
A full mature buck can weigh up to, approximately, 35 kg. On average a young buck or a mature doe will weigh, that is after beiing gutted, 18 kg. In the Netherlands beating for hunting roe deer is prohibited. In other parts in Europe it is allowed. It is fairly common practice. We cannot use buckshot. Minimum energy required is 980 joule @ 100 meters. Minimum caliber is 5.6 or .22.

I think Sweden allows hunting Roe deer with buckshot but I am not certain.
Die Jager
Oh, that is very interesting. I use my 12 Bore shotgun , loaded with AAA cartridges for hunting Kakar Deer by way of beats. As well as shooting foxes . For Chital Deer or wild boar or the odd Asian Sloth Bear , I use my 7 millimeter Remington Magnum and 175 grain Remington Core Lokt soft nose cartridges, or hand loaded 175 grain Barnes TSX soft nose cartridges.
 
Nice story, Im glad you got a 135kg Boar. There are not many that big in my part of Australia.
It’s not the hunts of days gone by but it is still interesting to us as hunters who in different countries have different game, rules and hunting methods.
The Alsatian dog you mentioned may also be commonly known as German Shepherds. I had one that was 3 years old when I got her she was surrendered by someone who could not keep her due to moving.
I they are used by Police units and used as guard dogs. Mine was a pet, she jumped in my Ute when I picked her up and was most faithful from that point and went with me all she could .
They are intelligent , mine was protective of me but yet so placid. They can be aggressive and intimidating but I think that’s is in defence or on command.
 
Nice story, Im glad you got a 135kg Boar. There are not many that big in my part of Australia.
It’s not the hunts of days gone by but it is still interesting to us as hunters who in different countries have different game, rules and hunting methods.
The Alsatian dog you mentioned may also be commonly known as German Shepherds. I had one that was 3 years old when I got her she was surrendered by someone who could not keep her due to moving.
I they are used by Police units and used as guard dogs. Mine was a pet, she jumped in my Ute when I picked her up and was most faithful from that point and went with me all she could .
They are intelligent , mine was protective of me but yet so placid. They can be aggressive and intimidating but I think that’s is in defence or on command.
CBH Australia
Thank you . Even if we all live on different corners of the earth, I strongly believe that it is our mutual love for this marvelous sport and hobby , which unifies us all and brings us together as one big international hunting community.
 
Thanks for the story of the hunt!
 
Due to the overtly depressing set of circumstances which has recently been plaguing the entire world for more than two months now , most of us have not had the good fortune to hunt recently ( except for those who have access to private properties , where game can either be found , or frequently wanders in , such as @Major Khan Sir and @Kawshik Rahman ) for quite a while . Hopefully , the lockdown in Bangladesh will be lifted on the 25th of this month and then I may be able to go back and resume my favorite hobby of all time .

Until that happens however , I have decided that I would keep the spirits of all the members of AH forums up today . By relating a story about my most recent Shikar , prior to the outbreak of the nefarious COVID19 Coronavirus- My Shikar for a Kakar Deer . Granted , it is pretty mundane compared to some of my Shikars for more dangerous game in the past ( namely man eating Hunting Leopards ) . However, I believe that sometimes the stories about the simple Shikars are worth writing about , as well .

There are three types of deer found all across the country . They are :
1) Chital ( Axis ) Deer : Found in the Sundarban mangrove forests , Nijhoom Deap and Jamalpur ( South West side of the Country) .
2) Kakar ( Barking ) Deer : Found in the Maulvi Bazaar forests and the Chittagong Hill Tracts ( North East and South East sides of the country )
3) Sambhar Deer: Found only in the Bandarban forests , near the Chittagong Hill Tracts ( South East side of the country ) .

A Kakar Deer is the smallest of these three , and a fully mature male weighs only 18 kilograms .
They are either shot in forested area between the 1st of December to the 30th of January ( with permission being taken from the local police DC of the area ) or they are shot on private property ( with the consent of the land owners ) . They may either be taken down with a rifle or a shotgun , depending upon the hunting style which the Shikari feels most comfortable with .

Aside from the sporting calibers for which firearms and cartridges can be readily found at local firearms shops ( .22 Long Rifle, .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire , 12 Bore ) , license holders for firearms may also use an authorized importer to import a rifle or cartridges of any of the four following calibers ( Currently . This list is scheduled to hopefully increase over the next few years. ) for their private ownership and use :
1) .22 Hornet
2) .243 Winchester
3) 7x57 millimeter Mauser
4) 7 millimeter Remington Magnum
License holders for fire arms not mentioned in the above list ,typically purchase their firearm from a foreign country and bring back cartridges ( or reloading components) privately into the
country , every time they are returning from a trip made to a foreign country ( from where they purchased the cartridges ) .

By far , the most popular firearms for hunting Kakar Deer are either a .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire ( employing a 40 grain full metal jacket cartridge) or a 12 Bore shotgun. If the Kakar Deer is to be taken by way of stalking at long range , then the rifle is the preferred option . If the Kakar Deer is taken by way of stalking at close range , then a rifle or shotgun can both be viable options.
If the Kakar Deer is taken by way of conducting beats , then a shotgun is preferred . This is because the Kakar Deer is moving extremely fast towards the direction of the Shikari.


While I have shot quite a few Kakar Deer in the past with my 7 millimeter Remington Magnum by way of stalking , I mostly prefer to use a 12 Bore shotgun to shoot Kakar Deer which the beaters drive towards me . I own a Beautiful William Wellington Greener 12 Bore ( 2 3/4 inch chambers) double barrel side by side Wildfowl Gun , which is equipped with double triggers, automatic ejectors and 30 inch long barrels ( Left= Full Choke. Right= Improved Modified Choke ) , and this serves all of my wing shooting and Kakar Deer hunting needs , marvelously. For hunting Kakar Deer , the ideal shot size is either American 4 Buck or English AAA or Australian AAA ( The whole idea is to get a spread ) .
I myself have been exclusively using Winchester Australia’s 12 Bore 32 gram 2 3/4 inch AAA cartridges ( which hold 42 pellets to the cartridge) since the last 45 years of my life , and I am am quite pleased to say that they have never let me down. Even though Winchester Australia ceased to manufacture AAA cartridges quite a few years ago , I have stockpiled enough fresh unopened cartridge boxes over the years to last me at least five more years before I need to even consider making a switch of ammunition choices . As of now , I still possess over 560 cartridges of Winchester Australia 12 Bore 32 gram AAA , and I intend to put them to very good use.

This January 1st , my son in law and I visited the Tea Estate of a close , personal friend who lives in Sri Mangal . He ever so generously invites us a few times through out the year to hunt Kakar Deer on his property . And this year was no different. My son in law ( who prefers to stalk his Kakar Deer ) had brought along his 7x57 millimeter Mauser ( An Anschutz Savage Model 110 bolt action rifle ) , while I had brought along my 12 Bore William Wellington Greener Wildfowl Gun.
We spent the first day resting , chatting with my friend and his family and preparing all of the staff at the Tea Estate about our plans for the Kakar Deer Shikar on the following day . It was decided that on the very first day , I would hunt my Kakar Deer by way of having a beat conducted . On the second day , my son in law would hunt his Kakar Deer by stalking it .

We set off early in the morning , into the depths of the Tea Estate. I had my 12 Bore William Wellington Greener Wildfowl Gun , loaded with an AAA cartridge in each barrel. I carried eight extra cartridges , in the pockets of my sleeveless hunting jacket ( as an added precautionary measure) . Accompanying us , were two of the employees of the Tea Estate . These hard working men are of Shaotaal ancestry ( Their tribes have been living in the hills of the Maulvi Bazaar forests for centuries ) and therefore , they are intimately familiar with every nook and cranny of the Tea Estate . They were appointed as our head beaters . Each of them , were leading three very well trained Alsatian dogs .
In less than an hour , we reached a patch of the Tea Estate where our head beaters had ( on the previous night ) reported the presence of at least two dozen Kakar Deer . On the other end of this area , we could see 14 more Shaotaal beaters ; ready to carry out their duties faithfully . All of them were wearing bright orange aprons . This is an absolute necessity , for Shikars which are to be conducted by way of beats. It is a mandatory precautionary measure , in order to prevent the Shikari from mistakenly shooting one of the beaters . Our two head beaters ( and our six Alsatian dogs ) ran off to join the other beaters , while my son in law stayed behind with me .

In roughly 20 minutes , the beat had begun . The beaters used bamboo sticks and shouted continuously , in order to “ Drive “ the Kakar Deer towards the direction of myself and my son in law . The well trained Alsatian dogs certainly were useful . I waited on my edge of the area , carefully clutching my 12 Bore . I could see the Kakar Deer slowly making their way towards our direction. My son in law ( having a pair of binoculars on his person ) proceeded to provide me with “ intel “ as to which of the Kakar Deer were the largest , most matured males . I quickly made up my mind , as to which of the beasts I wanted to shoot . At a distance of 26-27 feet , I whipped the 12 Bore up to my shoulder and took aim at him . I pulled the right trigger, just as he was turning his head to look at one side of the area .Those 42 pellets of Australian AAA caught the Kakar Deer, right in the area where the neck meets the shoulder . With a low guttural sound , the animal dropped to the ground . His life had been extinguished , cleanly and quickly .

I let the other Kakar Deer pass through the area , unharmed . As soon as they were gone , I handed my Schrade Old Timer “ Trapper “ model carbon steel pocket knife to my son in law and told him to go and make the meat , “ Halal “ . The young man went and recited “ Bismillah Hirrahman Irrahim “ ( Praise be to Allah . He is most gracious and most merciful to all of His creations ) , while cutting the throat of the dead Kakar deer ; taking great care to sever all of the veins and arteries properly . And , that was that . My very first Kakar Deer Shikar for 2020 was a success and we had some lovely Kakar venison for the larder . He weighed just above 17 kilograms.

I tipped every single one of the Shaotaal beaters generously for their top notch service and hard work . They then, shyly asked me if I could shoot a wild boar for them to be able to enjoy some fresh pork , knowing all too well that I would definitely say , “ Yes” . It has long since been an unspoken agreement between the Shaotaal beaters and us , for many years . Every time that they aid my son in law and I in hunting a Kakar Deer , both my son in law and I each shoot a wild boar to give to the loyal and hard working men ( and their families ) . Thus , I spent the later part of the day hunting a 135 kilogram wild boar , knowing that I would be accompanying my son in law on the following day for his Kakar Deer Shikar . But , those are stories for another day .
Hopefully , I shall be returning to Shikar in less than a week and I cannot wait .

I hope that this relatively mundane story was not too boring. I heartily apologize , if it was . Normally , I get more excited writing about the exciting stories of my “ Golden Days “ where I used to hunt man eating Hunting Leopards . However, @mark-hunter , @375Fox and @gesch have voiced a desire to read about a basic deer Shikar story from modern times . And thus , here we are . I genuinely hope that this small and simple story may cheer up at least a few of our fellow members of AH forums.

THE END





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Kakar Deer shot by the Author.

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12 Bore William Wellington Greener Wildfowl Gun.

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Winchester Australia 12 Bore AAA 32 gram cartridges stockpiled by the Author.

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Winchester Australia 12 Bore 32 gram AAA cartridge used by the Author to hunt the above pictured Kakar Deer.
Friend Panther Shooter.
You may think it is,a mundane story my friend but it gives us an insight into hunting in more modern times and how things have changed but are still the same.
It also give us insight into the man, a man with compassion and caring.
I say this because even tho you are Muslim and have your beliefs about hal al you were willing to shoot a forbidden meat in order to thank the beaters for their services. A truly liberal view and shows in reality there is not that much different between muslin and Christian way of helping people.
Cheers my Friend and happy hunting.
Your friend
Bob Nelson
 
A nice account of your hunt. Any hunting story is interesting and I learned something about your ritual after the kill. A fine way to reward the beaters for their work. Well done, Sir.
 
Friend Panther Shooter.
You may think it is,a mundane story my friend but it gives us an insight into hunting in more modern times and how things have changed but are still the same.
It also give us insight into the man, a man with compassion and caring.
I say this because even tho you are Muslim and have your beliefs about hal al you were willing to shoot a forbidden meat in order to thank the beaters for their services. A truly liberal view and shows in reality there is not that much different between muslin and Christian way of helping people.
Cheers my Friend and happy hunting.
Your friend
Bob Nelson
Bob Nelson
I actually love hunting wild boars ! My beautiful wife of 45 years is a Protestant Christian and I often bring her back a wild boar from a Shikar ( when she is actually hunting with me , that is ) , as she loves the meat and considers it to be a delicacy. I also distribute the fresh pork to her side of the family , as well . Wild boars are an extremely large nuisance in Bangladesh , especially to crop farmers . That is why , we licensed firearms owners often volunteer to cull these menaces . The meat is distributed among our non Muslim friends , colleagues and community members .
Nothing should ever go to waste , especially when so many poor souls are starving across the world.
I shall share one small funny story , however. I generally hunt wild boars with my 7 millimeter Remington Magnum. However one day , I was out hunting Kakar Deer ( by way of beats ) in 1981 . I had my shotgun in my hands , loaded with AAA cartridges . During the beat , the Beaters actually ( but inadvertently) ended up flushing out a 132 kilogram wild boar which charged towards my direction . At a distance of four meters , I ended up firing both barrels at the head of the fiend . Those 84 pellets of Australian AAA loudly collided against the head of the wild boar; dropping him on the spot . I proudly called my wife over and told her that I would be bringing home a Kakar Deer AND a wild boar , that day . As she went to examine the fallen boar eagerly , the fiend just leapt up , all of a sudden and dashed off ! Needless to say , my wife was not pleased at all by the “ surprise “ .
 
A nice account of your hunt. Any hunting story is interesting and I learned something about your ritual after the kill. A fine way to reward the beaters for their work. Well done, Sir.
New Boomer
It is my honor , that you have enjoyed this story so much . I strongly believe that a hunt is a “ team effort “ and not merely the effort of the gentleman who pulls the trigger. I always see to it , that the team is extremely content working with me .
And besides , hunting wild boars is great fun !
 
Panther Shooter, your experience of shooting a Wild boar in the head with a shotgun and it running off afterwards was amusing but at the same time not the least bit funny. If a similar thing happened to my wife I doubt that her exact words would be printable.:rolleyes::rolleyes: Hopefully over time you got back into her "good graces." The smallest caliber firearm I've used on a hog was a 6.5 x 55 Swedish Mauser pushing a 140 Gn. Nosler Partition at 2775 FPS.
 
Panther Shooter, your experience of shooting a Wild boar in the head with a shotgun and it running off afterwards was amusing but at the same time not the least bit funny. If a similar thing happened to my wife I doubt that her exact words would be printable.:rolleyes::rolleyes: Hopefully over time you got back into her "good graces." The smallest caliber firearm I've used on a hog was a 6.5 x 55 Swedish Mauser pushing a 140 Gn. Nosler Partition at 2775 FPS.
Shootist43
Her exact words were , “ Oi Haramjada ! Tumi ki amake shobshomoy bhoy dekhate pochondo koro ?! “ ( You big Bully ! Do you always enjoy finding new ways to terrify me ?!) . Needless to say , the beaters were all silently laughing , while I was getting publicly scolded. Of course , afterwards I had to fetch my 7 millimeter Remington Magnum from the guest house where we were staying and ran after the wounded fiend in order to finish it off. The wife does not take too kindly to me wounding game , without actually finishing them off .

I was genuinely not expecting a wild boar to be present , that day. I was holding my 12 Bore shotgun loaded with AAA cartridges , because the beat was being conducted to draw out a Kakar Deer . Not only did the Kakar Deer get flushed out towards my direction , but so did a wild boar. This is one very massive inherent problem about conducting Shikars by way of beats . You do not know exactly what the beaters might possibly flush out , alongside your intended quarry. In Bangladesh , our numbers of wild boar are rancid . Just like Kakar Deer , wild boar are often also found in areas where gooseberry trees are growing. Almost every Shikari whom I know , who ever hunted Kakar Deer by way of beats , ended up having a wild boar charge them after getting flushed out ; at least once in their lives .

Ever since this incident occurred , I have been bringing my 7 millimeter Remington Magnum with me to the beats , as an added precautionary measure. That way , in the unfortunate event that the beaters accidentally flush out a wild boar towards me while trying to draw out Kakar Deer ; I have something far better than a 12 Bore shotgun on hand for stopping the fiend . It came in handy on more than seven separate occasions , ever since then .

Major Khan Sir actually even has a much more “ Hilarious “ story about a beat that went completely wrong. Back when he used to be a professional Shikari , he once had to organize a beat in order to draw out some four horned antelopes for his clients to shoot, in 1969 . Unfortunately , the beaters ended up flushing out a 93 kilogram Hunting Leopard . The enraged fiend charged the Major’s clients . Fortunately for the clients , the Major is exceptionally skilled with that old Belgian shotgun which he owns . And he loves nothing more than shooting leopards .
 
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is it not the time of year for the makes to have horns ?
 
males o_O not "makes"
 
Hello Panther Shooter,

Great narratives !
Thank you for sharing.
Perhaps I can speak for some others here but if not, then certainly I speak for myself in saying:

Without yours and your fellow countrymen from Bangladesh, posting in the forum, describing how the Hunting is there, not much if anything would be known in some other countries (especially the USA) about your hunting location, game laws, calibers and bullets of choice, so forth and so on.
I for one find this information new and interesting for sure.

Also, I am always pleased when repeatedly, I am reminded that, we are all very much alike in hunting, no matter what part of the world we call home.
One example is that you live in Bangladesh and I live in Alaska and yet we own and use the same brand / model folding knife - Schrade / Old Timer “Trapper” model.
Another example is that you are fond of the 7MM Remington Magnum, as am I.
For long shots at small distant targets, here where I live, it is one of the best calibers a Hunter can choose.
Perhaps not meant for short range hunting, nonetheless when loaded with 175 grain round nosed softs, it has served me well at close range (boreal / coastal Alaska rainforests) on our blacktail deer.
Obviously it is an excellent choice in your home country as well.

Yes we hunters are very much alike, no matter where we live.

Cheers,
Paul.
 
Bob Nelson
I actually love hunting wild boars ! My beautiful wife of 45 years is a Protestant Christian and I often bring her back a wild boar from a Shikar ( when she is actually hunting with me , that is ) , as she loves the meat and considers it to be a delicacy. I also distribute the fresh pork to her side of the family , as well . Wild boars are an extremely large nuisance in Bangladesh , especially to crop farmers . That is why , we licensed firearms owners often volunteer to cull these menaces . The meat is distributed among our non Muslim friends , colleagues and community members .
Nothing should ever go to waste , especially when so many poor souls are starving across the world.
I shall share one small funny story , however. I generally hunt wild boars with my 7 millimeter Remington Magnum. However one day , I was out hunting Kakar Deer ( by way of beats ) in 1981 . I had my shotgun in my hands , loaded with AAA cartridges . During the beat , the Beaters actually ( but inadvertently) ended up flushing out a 132 kilogram wild boar which charged towards my direction . At a distance of four meters , I ended up firing both barrels at the head of the fiend . Those 84 pellets of Australian AAA loudly collided against the head of the wild boar; dropping him on the spot . I proudly called my wife over and told her that I would be bringing home a Kakar Deer AND a wild boar , that day . As she went to examine the fallen boar eagerly , the fiend just leapt up , all of a sudden and dashed off ! Needless to say , my wife was not pleased at all by the “ surprise “ .
Friend Panther Shooter
Maybe you just need to change to 9 pellet buck shot for those dainty deer that way you will not have a problem with the close range pigs. I can assure you that that a load or 2 of 9 pellet buck shot to the head guarantees he won't get back up in a,hurry.
Cheers my Friend
Bob Nelson
 
is it not the time of year for the makes to have horns ?
Buck Wild
This particular specimen had very tiny horns as well. However, they are difficult to see due to the angle of the photograph. I will go Kakar Deer hunting again in May. Then , I shall take a proper photograph of the beasts horns and upload it here .
 

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