In a war, 38 per cent of Americans would RUN!

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In a war, 38 per cent of Americans would pile their SUVs high and join tailbacks for Canada or Mexico

For many of us war voyeurs watching the news with a glass of sherry, admiration of the little-engine-that-could Ukrainian fighters is underwritten by unease. As families escape to safety, plenty of feisty Ukrainians are remaining behind to battle a far more powerful aggressor, and they’re not all men, either. The question nags, then: in the same circumstances, would we stick around to defend our homelands, or would we cut our losses and get out?

Earlier this month, that’s precisely what a Quinnipiac poll asked Americans. Some 7 per cent answered ‘Don’t know’. But an astonishing 52 per cent of Democrats predicted that they’d skedaddle. Among Republicans, a full quarter would carpool with the hightailing ‘to hell with this!’ Democrats, while 68 per cent would stand their ground – or think they would. Among all respondents, 55 per cent would stay and fight, while 38 per cent would flee. Scaled up, that would be 125 million Yanks storming from the Land of the No Longer Free and the Home of the Not Especially Brave all at once. Quite a stampede.

As Matthew Hennessey observed in the Wall Street Journal, these answers are especially surprising because nothing compelled these folks to tell the truth. People often deceive pollsters, especially when an honest reply seems socially unacceptable. That’s why Donald Trump’s victory in 2016 caught pollsters so unawares: many Trump supporters kept their ostensibly odious voting intentions to themselves. Those Quinnipiac respondents confronted only a pencil-pushing pollster, not a Russian tank crashing through their living room. Surely they’d have been tempted to lie to please – or to show a shred of self-respect. Jesus, they might at least have lied to themselves – imagining that, under duress, they’d rise to the occasion, even if this assumption entailed unwarranted optimism about the extent of their physical courage.


In last autumn’s The Dying Citizen, Victor Davis Hanson proposed that the western concept of citizenship, with its balance of rights and obligations, had been steadily eroded. Globalisation, mass unassimilated immigration and the left’s cultivation of self-disgust have steadily turned us into mere residents, with no fervent commitment to a shared culture and past. For plain old residents, country is a matter of convenience or accident. Nationality may confer a greater or lesser advantage, but it hardly calls up a passionate attachment or sense of duty. Our jet-setting elites are dedicated not to nations but to ideologies, whose promotion is all talk. While Putin has been brainwashing Russians into a mindless patriotism, our disavowal of patriotism has been equally mindless. We’re demoting our countries to mere coordinates, mere patches on a map. We westerners’ dry, shrugging, uninvested relationships to our own countries may be the perceived weakness that most emboldens Putin.

Extreme circumstances are prone to reveal things about character that are impossible to access in calmer times. The invasion of your home is apt to stir the primitive, animal emotions conspicuously on display in Ukraine. There’s no more ferocious a motivator than hatred – and there is such a thing; it bears little resemblance to whatever feeling underlies the mild verbal faux pas that’s currently prosecuted as ‘hate speech’. Ukrainians repeatedly testify to journalists that they’re not frightened but angry.
 
Once the 38 % had left America, I would close the borders...... this is not a loss.

HWL
 
I figure the number of Canadians that would cut and run would be double that of what you quoted. For years we’ve as a nation taken whole sale amounts of refugees from any and everywhere. If they were not willing to fight for there country why would we be fool hardy enough to believe they would stand and fight for ours. I’m all for the refugees leaving Ukraine right now. I’d open my home to anyone’s wife and children while the men took up the mantle of defending there country from foreign invaders. What I have a problem with is when you see refugees camps full of fighting age men who ran instead of being willing to fight for there country. I have an even bigger issue with the same people who we’re unwilling to defend there country then fleeing to mine and putting undue strain on our health care and pension systems as well as forming large enough communities to influence voting. Unfortunately if you attempt to voice an opinion similar to what I just wrote it seems your automatically get labeled a racist/white supremacist and get dismissed without ever being considered.
 
Once the 38 % had left America, I would close the borders...... this is not a loss.

HWL

Think about this…Less than 80% of our Active Duty combat forces are deployable within 72 hours. Just last month a federal judge ruled in court a Navy Destroyer couldn’t deploy because the Captain refused his COVID shot.

The US Army Recruiting Command conduct a survey that showed less than 30% of High School Seniors were fit for enlistment…

38% Should Run probably more should be forced out of the battle to make room and resources for those fit and willing to fight.

The Author was shock that so many said they would run???

I’m Relieved and PROUD!

 
Once the 38 % had left America, I would close the borders...... this is not a loss.

HWL
Oh, if they fled to Mexico, they'll be back! They won't get all of the free "stimulus" money THERE that they've received HERE in the last couple of years.
 
As a Canadian I am shocked that scared Democrats and even some Republicans would want to come to our current communist country. Canadians are no different, after 34 years in the Canadian Navy I could clearly see it was not the same as years earlier, when I joined I would trust 90 % of sailors to have my back and stand, at the end in 2017 I think only 50% would be trusted to do that. Sometimes scared me on deployments. Whining, slack asses were all around.

Today I am with @Skinnerblade, when I see the news I am shocked at the refugees, fit to run/walk men? Its 2022, equal rights are world rampant, why are women running? Now Canada's flood doors are open, who believes Canada will be a better place in the future??? NOT ME. As a non vaxed I cannot leave, return, or even fly, or train around my own Country, are all inbound refugees Vaxed? Disgusting bunch of sheeples, a real reflection of our leader, Trudope.

MB
 
Wars are primarily about relateds: greed, power and money. For the 52% that would fight if they had to, the smarter ones would prefer to avoid it altogether and preserve what they've worked for so hard all their lives...Soros-stoked MSM sponsored politics stokes wars-for-profit. Do NOT buy into it. All of the wars in my lifetime were exclusively about money (i.e. selling 200M barrels of herbicides-that I am still cleaning up for a living! x10e23)
 
Anybody that doesn’t see this as a planned way to further destabilize the US Dollar and bring us to a global economic system has their head square up their ass!
 
The guy needs cheaper pipelines in the country that used to be his. Give it to him. After that, it effects us not. Many who have hunted in the former USSR countries see and hear first-hand that things were better under the communist/socialist rule (infrastructure/food/healthcare/education paid for.) I certainly don't want to live there, but that's what a lot of residents say...Give them what they want (1 country.) Don't allow politics/MSM to ruin the world by a very small sacrifice to N. America. (One that could foster even the LibDemTards to focus once again on energy self-sufficiency and exporting more to Europe and abroad-something that would make NA prosper again!)
 
Anybody that doesn’t see this as a planned way to further destabilize the US Dollar and bring us to a global economic system has their head square up their ass!
have the white-haired dimentia posterchild rescind all the exec orders undone by he and the earlier unamerican kenyan-indonesian pres he ran aside. US energy only. The economy revolves around it. For those of you who are unaware, PA and NY have huge reservoirs of Nat Gas (and additionally oil and coal in PA!)...many other states for oil/gas TX, OK, WY, et. al. KY coal...Dem stronghold E. Coast cities (NY, Boston, etc.) actually buy compressed Nat Gas via supertankers from Russia. We won't touch upon their love for China here. You don't see the fundamental problems here with Jose BiDem & Co.? "Therein lies the problem, Peter!" LOL Energy self-sufficiency will cure a lot of ills...
 
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20% 0f the 62% that said they'd stay lied. They'd run as soon as the guns started.
I just wish the bastards had come 30 years ago when I could have showed them how.
 
I think the 97 or 98% of any given population has always been happy to let the 2-3% do the fighting for them. Nothing new there.
I’m I mistaken or am I seeing people who are advocating for U.S. involvement in expelling the Russians from Ukraine, the same people who would turn tail and run if the U.S. was invaded?
 
It's not so much going into Ukraine, it's what's going to happen after that...do the math (Asia v. the Free World at considerable additional expense). Our gov't. is doing a great job already of killing off our assets with their un-American policies.
 
I personally have far greater faith in humanity. I believe the survey to be little more than a typical media beat up. How you ask the questions determines what answers you get. Furthermore, I strongly suspect the response given to a hypothetical will be totally irrelevant to the response when the reality of an extreme threat is confronted. Whether were aware of it or not, deep in our biology we are hard wired to protect our families, our resources and our people. In the right circumstances even those who claim to be willing to run will in fact stand and fight.
ps. From what I've seen on the news coverage, the vast majority of the women fleeing the conflict are mothers protecting their children or the elderly. The rest are staying and joining the fight.
 
I personally believe:
50% of the population say they would pick up a rifle and defend her!
I believe 50% of them are pussies and wouldn’t do shit!
25% of what’s left has any knowledge of killing more than a friggin mouse in their garage, and they thought they were hard when they did that!
Doesn’t leave much to fight.
The pussification of the United States has weakened the whole free world!
 
I hope it is 50% that would fight, but I'm not so sure.
 
I hope it is 50% that would fight, but I'm not so sure.
Well, the other 50 percent could “scout” out ahead, while looking for “stimulus checks” in mailboxes amidst the artillery and mortar rounds landing around them? LOL
 
… Many who have hunted in the former USSR countries see and hear first-hand that things were better under the communist/socialist rule (infrastructure/food/healthcare/education paid for.) I certainly don't want to live there, but that's what a lot of residents say...

My own experience with people from former soviet bloc countries or Russians themselves does not agree with that statement.

Oh sure, they will agree that ‘some’ things were better under communist rule, education often being give as an example. But that it was a very miserable existence overall and that the western mode of living is largely preferred. (Kids perhaps had a more complete, profound education back then, but it also was not a certainty that fresh bread would be on the table every week..)

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