If the 9.3x62 became the new legal minimum?

[bimbo]

Thank You, for your response. After reading many 9.3 vs 375 threads it seems as though the trump card for the 375 is “well it is at least the legal minimum, everywhere” which, I think, kind of simplifies the debate a little bit to much.

H

 

[bimbo]

In some countries like Mozambico Uganda Ethiopia Burkina Faso Benin Angola e Congo there is no limit r about caliber to use for anygame.In South Africa a new law ,entered in 2012 I believe,show 300 grs for rhino and elephant,250 grs for buffalo and lion.In Zim 9.3 is allowed since a new law wanted by Ganyana!In Botswana Zambia and Tanzania 375 but 9.3 feel as well allowed.In Tanzania years ago was 9.3.

 

[bimbo]

Very interesting question Randy. I defer to those who know far more than I do: Dr Kevin Robertson rated the 9.3x62 highly as a buffalo round for clients. I like the 375 Flanged Magnum because it addresses the over velocity of the 375 H&H according to Robertson, but is still a more powerful round than the 9.3.
I also have the 375H&H, but plan to use my 375FL more, it is sort of a good compromise between the 9.3 and the H&H.

 

[bimbo]

375 He H feel powerful over 9.3 only on the paper but not on the hunting field.375 H eH flanged feel work better for its right speed and same with 9.3 x 74 r.Ammo have to do show in the cronograph because some brand are reliable and other are not and have to check the barrel lenghr used for test as well!!

 

[bimbo]

If your going to compare , 9.3x74r should also be considered as it is more practical in a double rifle.

 

[bimbo]

Of course always and everywere.I am using that one on every game from boar to elephant since' 89 in my Beretta O/U.Never had problem using it and I have got a 375 too!

 

[bimbo]

Good evening @Randy Bo
This is actually a most fascinating question(s) . The great Wally Johnson ( of Mozambique fame ) actually used a 9.3x62 mm Mauser against dozens of African Cape buffalo , with immense success ( due to facing shortages of ammunition for his .375 Holland & Holland Magnum ) . The late Don Heath / Ganyana managed to achieve 41 one shot kills on African Cape buffalo , by employing his 9.3x62 mm Mauser . I have personally hunted Pakistani Markhor goats , Australian scrub bulls and American Kodiak bears with the 9.3x62 mm Mauser . It is quite a magnificent little calibre . Let us now assess your questions in a chronological order :
1 ) No . The .375 Holland & Holland Magnum employs 300 grain bullet , as opposed to the 286 grain bullet of the 9.3x62 mm Mauser . As trivial as the difference in bullet weight may sound to a novice , a bullet which is heavier by 14 grains is still advantageous . These days , one can even find 350 grain bullets for the .375 Holland & Holland Magnum ( case in point : Norma’s PH line of factory loaded ammunition , which employs 350 grain Woodleigh bullets ) . That said ; if I already owned a 9.3x62 mm Mauser , then I would not bother owning a .375 Holland & Holland Magnum ( except for collecting purposes ) .
2 ) I definitely would . With 286 grain Nosler Safari factory loaded monolithic solids , I would happily use the 9.3x62 mm Mauser against Africa’s tiny ten . I would employ 286 grain Nosler Partition soft nosed factory loads , against all of the African plains game ( including eland bulls ) . For Cape buffalo , I would employ hand loaded 286 grain Rhino Solid Shank bullets ( although the 286 grain Nosler Partition soft nosed factory loads would work commendably well for broadside shots on Cape buffalo ) .
3 ) I would personally tell them to try both out , and pick the one which they are most comfortable with . The 9.3x62 mm Mauser definitely has less recoil than the .375 Holland & Holland Magnum , although the .375 Holland & Holland Magnum’s recoil is by no means unpleasant .

 

[bimbo]

375 is a great caliber but have his problem with premium bullet too.9.3 never had.Since 60 years 375 has lay down because 9.3 has around .After Germany has lost second world war ,9.3 ammo was not available ,Winchester have got the chance on fly making his pre 64 chambered in 375.

 

[bimbo]

For plains game its left to common sense as to what calibre to use...but these are stated minimum for these

• The minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting in Zambia is .300 caliber for dangerous game such as Leopard and Lion.
• The minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting in Zambia is .375 caliber for dangerous game or big game hunting such as Elephant, Buffalo and Hippo.
• Zambia does not require a minimum energy (Eo – muzzle velocity) for calibers used

 

[bimbo]

Yes .In Zambia I can confirm in full

 

[bimbo]

I have both, 9.3x62 and 375H&H.
Would I take 9.3 to Africa?
No.
Reason, it is semi auto rifle (for driven hunt), and semi autos are usually not allowed in Africa, and certainly even if allowed it would not be my choice for DG hunt.

In case that 9.3 is accepted as buffalo caliber, in bolt action, or double rifle, would I take it to Africa?
Probaly yes, and in that case, it woud be my main rifle, which includes european hunitng as well.

It has to be said, that another one - 9.3x64, is almost identical ballistic twin to 375 H&H, while 9.3x62 is a bit shy in energy depatment compared to 375, but not that any game would notice the difference. But 9.3x64 could be considered as true continental 375 H&H, should 9.3 be allowed for buffalo by local regs.

 

[bimbo]

The semiauto in 9.3 is allowed in Zim...but not well sighted when u arrive at custom office.In other countries feel never allowed.In Zim hunting dangerous game could be very usefull for defence especially hunting elephant tuskless...In 2003/2004 hunting season ,Mr Tarabini have lost his life during an elephant hunting with PH passed off Claudio Chiarelli one professional and friend of mine.Mr Tarabini had shot elephant bull and three cows have charged the hunting party soon.Claudio Chiarelli have shot one of them,another turned round and the last one have killed Mr Tarabi.It feel which hunting party was remained with their rifle out of round.Il this case a semiauto in 9.3 could have solved the problem surely abd Mr Tarabini could not have his life

 

[bimbo]

I have never been happy with just the "minimum" in anything. That being said I am planning to take a scoped 9.3x74R for plains game and leopard.

For buffalo though, I'd always take a caliber between .4xx - .5xx.

 

[bimbo]

When u will get one ,if and when u will try on every game u could see which u wll have not need of anything else neitger upward nor downward.If u will do it ,u will get one and u will pay back 3.Guaranted!

 

[bimbo]

if you are trying to make a 9.3 compete with the 375, don't set the 9.3 at a further disadvantage by using the 286 partition in the 9.3.
this bullet has proven to be such that it nearly made me give up on the 9.3 calibre.
for game up to say red deer size that are smaller boned, and susceptable to shock, it works well.
over that and you might shoot something and it will keep going aparrently unhit, and might if you are lucky expire a while later, or disappear.
to me this is morally unacceptable on any game, and might get you killed in africa.
an answer to this might be to use bullets such as barnesx or lapua naturalis.
the problem with 286 gn copper bullets is their length encroaching on powder space, or the lapua bullet only available in lighter weights.
swift bullets open fast yet retain weight, and the 286 gn has the same s.d. as a 300 gn 375.
this weight in 9.3 can have some speed.
the 300 gn swift will also be good where closer ranges are the norm.
when the nose comes off a nosler it instantly loses a % of s.d., and in doing so often changes direction inside the animal.
what is left will penetrate some, but is of small diameter and might well be going in the wrong direction, making a good shot into a bad one.
one of the surest shots you can do is into the shoulder of an animal quartering facing you.
take my advice, and do not do this with the 286 nosler on bigger game.
should this shot be a bit off an a lion and hit the shoulder blade life could get interesting as well.
these shots show as a fist sized hole that blows out not far from the inlet hole.
not far behind the swift would be the woodleigh pp.
good bullets give you more control over what happens when the bullet hits, which is after they leave the barrel and there is nothing you can do.
i would say that the 9.3 loaded with good bullets in the hands of a good shot would be a most useful calibre compared to the 375, with the x64 being the best choice.
however most factory 9.3 ammo is meant for lesser game than most 375 ammo.
the 9.3 can be brought up a long way by handloaders, as there are good bullets available for it for bigger game, but how can game laws control that without getting too specific?
i have personally seen a guy turn up to hunt camels with 232 gn bullets in a 9.3x62.
i have personally turned up to hunt camels and donkeys with the 286 gn partition.
both turned out to be negative experiences.
in my case a 30/06 with 165/168 gn barnes would have been a better choice.
african laws have to cater for the lowest common denominator, as there is a lot of minimal experience out there, a lot of bad shots, even by good shooters, and then you get stupid.
the laws have to cater for stupid, and just when you think you have stupid dealt with, a new iteration of stupid comes to the surface.
this is where the 375 shines, and that is coming from a 9.3 lover.
bruce.

 

[bimbo]

9.3 and 375 especially, second my skill ,have need of premium bullet always but not for all medium game when we are talking about 9.3.If u don t know the weight and type of bullet which are shooting ,the best gun and caliber of the world give poor and unlikely performance.
I use always 255 grs Geco for boar impala leopard warthog and same,tug 293 grs or swift a frame 285 grs for everything but not for all buffalo frontal shot and of course elephants

 

[bimbo]

If the Germans had won the Great War the 9.3x62 would have been the minimum, and more popular than the 375.

 

[bimbo]

Off course.Schiovinism is a wound into the soul of some countries 's people...

 

[bimbo]

from the day the win 70 became available in 375 yes, the 375 became an american cartridge.
bruce.

 

[bimbo]

Just right!