If the 9.3x62 became the new legal minimum?

I wonder how the hydros compare to the CEB safari solid?
They have some similarities. Not sure how they would compare penetration wise. Swift Bullets also developed their break away solids off of the hydro design. I've heard that they also penetrate better than conventional solids.
 
Everyone here knows what the 9.3x62 is capable of.
But as a Big Game cartridge ??
There are better, one should not be oriented downward.
It is not comparable with the energy of a 9.3x64
Imagine the body mass once - at bad shots. Bad enough with strong caliber.

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Personally, that ship has sailed for me. I already have the. 375 and .458. They are nice powerful rifles. I simply don't have a need for the lesser power. It would have to be a tremendous deal on a rifle with 2000 rounds of ammunition for me to want to go there.
 
i find a 286 at 2600 a very serious load in the x64, and regard it as a place not to go further than.
not questioning that you can get it in the x62, but it would worry me.
how is your case life?
comparing the x62 to the x64 could be likened to the 338/06 vs 338 win.
bruce.
Bruce,
I appreciate your clear thinking on many of the topics on our forum. It seems to me some followers of a specific caliber want their caliber to perform same as a caliber slightly bigger and will go to extremes to achieve that which can be dangerous. I feel 9.3x62 followers are fanatic about their cartridge and it can be dangerous for our hunting community. A 9.3x62 is not a 9.3x64 nor a 338 WM, a 358 NM (or any of the other larger 338's). If we all can run the numbers to calculate killing power, we will all realize that the 9.3x62 shouldn't be pushed over its limits....pushing reloading boundaries is one thing...but taking on a dangerous animal with a lesser capable caliber in the hands of a lesser experienced hunter is another...Therefore accept it if there are other calibers more capable than your cartridge....the 9.3x62 is an excellent larger plains game cartridge...and if you bump into a DG animal you can at least try to defend yourself. However between the 9.3x62 and the 375 there are a few other calibers I think with more killing power that can be considered better DG cartridges...just do the math.
 
You folks are obviously much more experienced than Kevin Robertson or Don Heath. I’d better sell my 9.3x62!
 
You folks are obviously much more experienced than Kevin Robertson or Don Heath. I’d better sell my 9.3x62!
I don't think the point is to devalue this cartridge.
In German East Africa it was standard for many.

The Counts of Wenkheim shot thousands of red deer stags with the 6.5x54 Mannlicher Schönauer on their huge estates (250' ha in Hungary alone) during the Habsburg Empire and until WWII.
A cartridge that, I would never use for strong Hungarian stags.
I respect the professionals and I don't have to copy everything they do.
 
Dang, all this talk about pushing the 9.3 as fast as it can go.

I actually download mine based on the premise that first, it's primarily about you and the bullet. Everything else is secondary.

I load the 286 gr. A-Frame to 2,360 fps, the same as Federal's nominal MV. I just returned from bagging a Cape Buffalo using 3 rounds of 300 gr. A-Frames at an average MV 2,310.

Post musings said the first two rounds were enough, but I follow the rule of keep firing until the animal tips over, or the magazine goes dry.
 
I have been mentioned twice in this thread so I'll add my five cents worth. There is, in my opinion a logical explanation why the 9,3 x 62 mm, and well-constructed 286 or 300 grain bullets is such an effective, dangerous game combination.
It is simply this:- this ballistic combination is wonderfully 'shootable', which goes a long way towards ensuring initial shot placement is good. Knowing your rifle/ballistic combination is 'marginal' for buffalo, also seems to have a physiological effect - which in a way seems to improve ones shooting performance.
I have yet to meet an enthusiastic dangerous game hunter who could not shoot my 9,3 well, and this includes quite a few from the fairer sex. I have however encountered quite a few 'with hairy chests' who were 'scared' of a .375's recoil.
There are three components to 'recoil' - the force that comes back into your shoulder measured in foot pounds (Free Recoil Energy), the speed or velocity with which this force is delivered (Free Recoil Velocity measured in fps) and the 'duration' of the recoil event.
Recoil starts the moment the bullet starts to move out the neck of the cartridge case and into the freebore and it ends when the bullet exits the muzzle.
A 10 pound 9,3 x 62 mm firing a 286 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2350 fps (or a 300 grainer at 2300) creates a FRE value of 28 ft pounds at a FRV of 13.5 fps.
A similar weight .375 H&H firing a 300 grain bullet at 2550 fps of muzzle velocity creates 41 ft pounds of FRE at a velocity of 16 fps.
I do not have a figure for the duration of the recoil event but given similar barrel lengths the time it takes for a 286 grain .366 bullet to be accelerated to 2350 fps is longer than it takes a 300 grainer to reach 2550 fps.
Put simply, a similar weight .375 H&H recoils 50% more than a 9,3 x 62 mm, and this 'experience' is delivered over a shorter/sharper time period, all of which translates into a very different, more unpleasant shooting experience.
This makes the 9,3 a lot easier, more pleasant, more manageable call it whatever, to shoot. Pretty simple really, all of which contributes significantly towards 'confidence' which in turn equates to better shooting and correct first shot placement.
I have more than three decades of 9,3 experience and I long ago realized that 300 grain .366's (at 2300 fps) seemed to me to be more effective than 286 grainers going a bit faster. I attributed this to a better sectional density, .320 as opposed to .305, and a slightly improved momentum value - 99 pound fps to 96.
More importantly, the 300 grain expanding bullets I used for decades, flat nosed Hi-Performers made especially for me by the late Ken Stewart, had nice, 2 mm thick jackets and bonded cores, and they expanded reliably to a little over double caliber in size which created nice and big wound channels which resulted in turn to quick deaths when these bullets were placed into the heart/lung area.
Many buffalo are shot from the frontal angles where the inch-thick frontal chest skin of a buffalo is a formidable obstacle for any bullet. I quickly became convinced that from these angles, an expanding 300 grain .366 bullet at 2300 was more effective than a similar 300 grain .375 bullet at 2500 fps. Higher SD bullets at a lower mv overcame the 'trampoline effect' of the frontal chest skin better/easier than lower SD bullets going faster. In such instances, momentum, in my opinion, is a lot more important than energy.
Along with my Brno ZG47 9,3 x 62 mm, I also owned for a time a Browning A-Bolt Medallion .375 H&H. This rifle weighed only 8 pounds and my clients used to complain bitterly about its recoil when full house factory loads with 300 grainers were used. To get around this I used to reduce the mv with 300 grainers to 2350 fps. Not only did this reduce the recoil, but it also improved the terminal bullet performance. When 350 grain .375 bullets became available (and 380 grain Rhino's) this bullet weight elevated the .375 into another performance class altogether - but this is not the topic of this thread.
The 'nine-three's' work because they are the easiest of the DG suitable combinations to shoot, and when bullet placement is where it should be, they 'work' surprisingly well.
There is an old saying - 'shot Placement is the best caliber/cartridge combination' and the 9,3's are the easiest way to accomplish this - pretty simple really!
Granted it’s an old thread but his words still stand true today. I’ll take his word for it any day of the week. Especially these days with such great modern powders and better constructed bullets.
 
You folks are obviously much more experienced than Kevin Robertson or Don Heath. I’d better sell my 9.3x62!
No need WAB, the 9.3x62 is an excellent cartridge! It just faces the same problem as some other cartridges with the same trait....the ability to perform above its weight...The 7x57, 7mm-08, 280 Rem, 35 Whelen, and 338 WM are all cartridges that a hunter can easily overestimate due to their excellent performance...which can be fatal if it is been taken too far...
 
Il 9.3 x 62 e' gemello al 9.3 x 74 r che io possiedo.Storico Otto Bock il suo inventore,possedeva il 9.3 x 74 r .Quando fu fatta richiesta formale dai coloni tedeschi di una cartuccia in grado di risolvere ogni problema con creature ostili e non uomo incluso,il 9.3 x 62 divento la candidata perfetta in quanto i fucili mauser classe B erano abbordabilissimi come prezzo e affidabili.Il 9.3 x 74 era camerato in express molto costoso destinati all'aristocrazia dell impero austroungarico e quindi al di la delle possibilita economiche dei nuovi farmer.
 
Se il 9,3x62 diventasse il nuovo calibro minimo legale per la selvaggina pericolosa in tutta l'Africa:
- Prenderesti in considerazione la sostituzione del tuo 375 con un 9.3 (se attualmente non possiedi un 9.3x62)?
- Per un safari con un solo fucile, che include selvaggina di pianura e bufalo africano, ti sentiresti a tuo agio con solo il 9,3x62?
- Per qualcuno che non possiede nessuno dei due, ma ha in programma di andare a caccia in Africa (un giorno), ti chiedo di aiutarlo a scegliere tra il 9,3x62 e il 375?

Mi rendo conto che probabilmente se ne è parlato in un modo o nell'altro, ma speravo di conoscere il parere di tutti.
Grazie...
 
Buonasera @Randy Bo
Questa è in realtà una domanda molto affascinante. Il grande Wally Johnson (famoso per il Mozambico) usò un Mauser 9,3x62 mm contro decine di bufali africani del Capo, con immenso successo (a causa della carenza di munizioni per il suo .375 Holland & Holland Magnum). Il defunto Don Heath/Ganyana riuscì a ottenere 41 uccisioni con un solo colpo su bufali africani del Capo, utilizzando il suo Mauser 9,3x62 mm. Ho cacciato personalmente capre Markhor pakistane, tori di macchia australiani e orsi Kodiak americani con il Mauser 9,3x62 mm. È un calibro davvero magnifico. Ora valutiamo le tue domande in ordine cronologico:
1) No. Il .375 Holland & Holland Magnum utilizza proiettili da 300 grani, a differenza dei 286 grani del 9,3x62 mm Mauser. Per quanto banale possa sembrare la differenza di peso rispetto a un principiante, una competizione più pesante di 14 grani è comunque vantaggiosa. Oggigiorno, si possono persino trovare proiettili da 350 grani per il .375 Holland & Holland Magnum (un esempio concreto: la linea di munizioni Norma PH caricate in fabbrica, che utilizza proiettili Woodleigh da 350 grani). Detto questo, se possedessi già un 9,3x62 mm Mauser, non mi prenderei la briga di possedere un .375 Holland & Holland Magnum (se non per scopi collezionistici).
2) Assolutamente sì. Con le palle solide monolitiche Nosler Safari da 286 grani caricate in fabbrica, userei volentieri il 9,3x62 mm Mauser contro il minuscolo dieci africano. Impiegherei le palle di fabbrica Nosler Partition da 286 grani a punta morbida contro tutta la selvaggina delle pianure africane (compresi gli eland maschi). Per il bufalo africano, userei le palle Rhino Solid Shank da 286 grani caricate a mano (anche se le palle di fabbrica Nosler Partition da 286 grani a punta morbida funzionerebbero egregiamente per i tiri in bordata sul bufalo africano).
3) Personalmente, consiglii loro di provarli entrambi e di scegliere quello con cui si sentono più a loro agio. Il 9,3x62 mm Mauser ha decisamente meno rinculo del .375 Holland & Holland Magnum, sebbene il rinculo del .375 Holland & Holland Magnum non sia affatto spiacevole.

Se il 9,3x62 diventasse il nuovo calibro minimo legale per la selvaggina pericolosa in tutta l'Africa:
- Prenderesti in considerazione la sostituzione del tuo 375 con un 9.3 (se attualmente non possiedi un 9.3x62)?
- Per un safari con un solo fucile, che include selvaggina di pianura e bufalo africano, ti sentiresti a tuo agio con solo il 9,3x62?
- Per qualcuno che non possiede nessuno dei due, ma ha in programma di andare a caccia in Africa (un giorno), ti chiedo di aiutarlo a scegliere tra il 9,3x62 e il 375?

Mi rendo conto che probabilmente se ne è parlato in un modo o nell'altro, ma speravo di conoscere il parere di tutti.
Grazie...
 
Se il 9,3x62 diventasse il nuovo calibro minimo legale per la selvaggina pericolosa in tutta l'Africa:
- Prenderesti in considerazione la sostituzione del tuo 375 con un 9.3 (se attualmente non possiedi un 9.3x62)?
- Per un safari con un solo fucile, che include selvaggina di pianura e bufalo africano, ti sentiresti a tuo agio con solo il 9,3x62?
- Per qualcuno che non possiede nessuno dei due, ma ha in programma di andare a caccia in Africa (un giorno), ti chiedo di aiutarlo a scegliere tra il 9,3x62 e il 375?

Mi rendo conto che probabilmente se ne è parlato in un modo o nell'altro, ma speravo di conoscere il parere di tutti.
Grazie...
If the 9.3x62 became the new legal minimum caliber for dangerous game in all of Africa:
- Would you consider replacing your 375 with a 9.3 (If you did not currently own a 9.3x62)?
- For a one rifle safari, which included plains game and Cape buffalo, would you feel comfortable with only the 9.3x62?
- For someone who owns neither, but plans on hunting Africa (someday), asks you to help them choose between the 9.3x62 and 375?

I realize this has probably been kicked around in one form or another but, was hoping to get everyone’s thoughts.
Thanks...

Se il 9,3x62 diventasse il nuovo calibro minimo legale per la selvaggina pericolosa in tutta l'Africa:
- Prenderesti in considerazione la sostituzione del tuo 375 con un 9.3 (se attualmente non possiedi un 9.3x62)?
- Per un safari con un solo fucile, che include selvaggina di pianura e bufalo africano, ti sentiresti a tuo agio con solo il 9,3x62?
- Per qualcuno che non possiede nessuno dei due, ma ha in programma di andare a caccia in Africa (un giorno), ti chiedo di aiutarlo a scegliere tra il 9,3x62 e il 375?

Mi rendo conto che probabilmente se ne è parlato in un modo o nell'altro, ma speravo di conoscere il parere di tutti.
Grazie...
 
Sarà proprio vero. Ho 9,3 x 74R e sono gemelli sia con il caricamento storico originale che con i migliori dei nostri giorni, come Federal e i suoi proiettili superpremium.
Preferisco la mia Beretta sovrapposta alla 375 perché è più leggera e si sente quando si cammina per diverse miglia.
If the 9.3x62 became the new legal minimum caliber for dangerous game in all of Africa:
- Would you consider replacing your 375 with a 9.3 (If you did not currently own a 9.3x62)?
- For a one rifle safari, which included plains game and Cape buffalo, would you feel comfortable with only the 9.3x62?
- For someone who owns neither, but plans on hunting Africa (someday), asks you to help them choose between the 9.3x62 and 375?

I realize this has probably been kicked around in one form or another but, was hoping to get everyone’s thoughts.
Thanks...
 
Motivi IOnt
Se il 9,3x62 diventasse il nuovo calibro minimo legale per la selvaggina pericolosa in tutta l'Africa:
- Prenderesti in considerazione la sostituzione del tuo 375 con un 9.3 (se attualmente non possiedi un 9.3x62)?
- Per un safari con un solo fucile, che include selvaggina di pianura e bufalo africano, ti sentiresti a tuo agio con solo il 9,3x62?
- Per qualcuno che non possiede nessuno dei due, ma ha in programma di andare a caccia in Africa (un giorno), ti chiedo di aiutarlo a scegliere tra il 9,3x62 e il 375?

Mi rendo conto che probabilmente se ne è parlato in un modo o nell'altro, ma speravo di conoscere il parere di tutti.
Grazie...
If the 9.3x62 became the new legal minimum caliber for dangerous game in all of Africa:
- Would you consider replacing your 375 with a 9.3 (If you did not currently own a 9.3x62)?
- For a one rifle safari, which included plains game and Cape buffalo, would you feel comfortable with only the 9.3x62?
- For someone who owns neither, but plans on hunting Africa (someday), asks you to help them choose between the 9.3x62 and 375?

I realize this has probably been kicked around in one form or another but, was hoping to get everyone’s thoughts.
Thanks...
 
Very interesting question Randy. I defer to those who know far more than I do: Dr Kevin Robertson rated the 9.3x62 highly as a buffalo round for clients. I like the 375 Flanged Magnum because it addresses the over velocity of the 375 H&H according to Robertson, but is still a more powerful round than the 9.3.
I also have the 375H&H, but plan to use my 375FL more, it is sort of a good compromise between the 9.3 and the H&H.
 
I agree surely with Kevin Robertson about 9.3 x 62 #1choice for client.Passed off Ganyana did think same and he have got 416 rigby 450NE and 458WM.One time tried a 9.3 x62 have used only that everytimes.He have got another 9.3 custom and another one for client arrived disarmed.I have got 375 and 9.3.I prefer always 9.3 because lighter shorter action less recoil and show a better killing withou 375 problem as bulleteater.
 

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