Depends where you go. You could go to Tsala and get a buff and kudu easily for that. I got a 43 3/8 bull buff this past July. So as you can see it is about shopping. In SA like the Tsala example very doable…if you go outside SA not doable at allThe buffalo and kudu at $12000 is bare minimum. You can a deal here and there but I think 14k would be a more realistic number where you are not surprised