Hornady.......

[Velo Dog]

If im out guiding a client on a buffalo or say lion hunt i can not take a chance with a bullet that might work or might fail. I need constant results every time i pull that trigger.

I used to love the Hornady DGX for my .375 H&H as well as my .450 N.E but once i started removing bullets from animals i quickly realised that you can not put your life on them.

Im sure if you are the hunter that they will work just fine 90% of the time but as a PH i can not afford to play with my client or own life.

Well said Petrus,

And, from my client point of view, it seems to me that the 300 grain Swift A-Frame was tailor made for .375 H&H velocity.

I sometimes wish I was a PH but alas, my life's choices have led me down a different path.
If however I had become one and was using a .450 double to back clients on buffalo, I think I'd prefer solids in both barrels.

My very brief experience with DGX bullets, (1 buff & PG) combined with what I've read in this forum, is that it apparently has a "low ceiling" of velocity limitation.
At 2050 fps the 480 gr did well for me (refer to my photos connected to my membership screen name).
Others here have had mixed results at somewhat higher velocities.

Therefore I conclude to agree with your PH take on this subject, it makes perfect sense.

Regards,
Velo Dog.

 

[Velo Dog]

im not a fan of that saying...

if i shoot an animal and the bullet explodes on impact causing the animal to die slowly over a couple days, is that still a fine bullet to use? or i shoot the animal quartering and the bullet comes apart on the shoulder and onley a little fragment makes it to the lungs leading to a 6 hour search for the dead animal. according to that saying both of these bullets are fine because the animal still died.

just because a bullet kills an animal doesnt mean it was the best bullet for the job (same goes for cartridge choices).

now i wont say Hornady bullets dont work as your own hunts are proof they do. but there are much better choices out there for dangerous game such as North Fork and Swift.

-matt

Perhaps I should tweek the saying to something like:

"At what point during the animal's rapid demise did my bullet fail?"

It never occurred to me that a grievous shallow wound, resulting in slow death would be associated with the original saying.

I think everyone who hunts, especially me, agrees with you that such an undesirable scenario clearly fits into the definition of "bullet failure."

 

[Velo Dog]

He's not talking about animals running off wounded to die hours or days later. He's talking about animals shot well that died appropriately so the lack of a nice exit wound or perfectly mushroomed bullet left inside was really irrelevant.

Thank you WildRose,
Could not have said that better myself.

 

[johnnyblues]

If im out guiding a client on a buffalo or say lion hunt i can not take a chance with a bullet that might work or might fail. I need constant results every time i pull that trigger.

I used to love the Hornady DGX for my .375 H&H as well as my .450 N.E but once i started removing bullets from animals i quickly realised that you can not put your life on them.

Im sure if you are the hunter that they will work just fine 90% of the time but as a PH i can not afford to play with my client or own life.

Very well said sir. I have to agree with you. After seeing and hearing about the poor results some members have had with them I certainly will not use them on DG.

 

[petrusg]

Have a look here at some of the results we have posted on the Peregrine Bullets: http://www.africahunting.com/threads/peregrine-vrg3-bushmaster-rsa-manufactured-bullet.23063/

I must also mention we are comparing the DGX to a Monolithic.

If you compares Petrus's two bullets as an example (both were recovered from different buffalo) and put a scenario of the buff turning to run and you need to put a shot in from behind - how far would they travel from a penetration perspective.

I backup with a .500NE and guided a client a few weeks back who was also shooting with a .500NE. I had him shoot with the DGX as he was not reloading and his gun was regulated on the Hornady. He put three shots into the buff before it expired and the bullets looked pretty similar the that of the .450NE recovered by Petrus.

I have asked him to send me the pics of the bullets points to show you all.

I have no problem with Hornady's smaller calibers, but not their big bore soft point bullets - those do not appear to be performing for us to-date.

 

[Witold Krzyżanowski]

I think the same as Paul ( Velo Dog ) and CAustin. For dangerous game I use ammuniton from Hornady with bullet DGX and from RWS with bullet Uni Classic. I am very happy with this ammunition.
Cheers.
Witold

 

[lcq]

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/10/21/hornady-we-change-everything/

So, is this actually really big? We've had a look behind the Wizard's curtain, and there will be a feature story in the pages of the January American Rifleman by Managing Editor Joseph Kurtenbach. Also, the first episode of American Rifleman Television's 2016 season will be on this ballistic development.

Yeah, we think it's big.

Turns out Doppler Radar can do more than just tell you when to carry an umbrella.

 

[thriller]

I wonder what role doppler radar plays in this? (probably just so I would ask this question)


Hope they solved that last problem I had with their ammo where a box of 308 win had 18 out of 20 rounds misfire. (if I'm going to buy their stuff again its going to need to be impressive)

 

[lcq]

I wonder what role doppler radar plays in this? (probably just so I would ask this question)


Hope they solved that last problem I had with their ammo where a box of 308 win had 18 out of 20 rounds misfire. (if I'm going to buy their stuff again its going to need to be impressive)

Doppler radar is the newest velocity measuring technology. Given it can measure velocity over a wider range of distances Dave Emery probably found something significant buried in the data. Whatever it is they are keeping it under wraps.

 

[thriller]

@lcq thanks for the info I did not know that.

 

[lcq]

@lcq thanks for the info I did not know that.

we are here to support each other

 

[sandman0921]

Doppler radar is the newest velocity measuring technology. Given it can measure velocity over a wider range of distances Dave Emery probably found something significant buried in the data.............

Yeah. There's a personal chronograph out there for reloads, etc. called the LabRadar:

http://www.longrangehunting.com/store/labradar-chronograph.html

Don't know much about it, but I have heard that it is getting mixed reviews. Apparently, it's software is being reconfigured to detect smaller bullets such as the .22 cal bullets which it was having a hard time detecting. At least that's what I heard...Hoever, it is a cool concept.

I have a Magnetospeed V2 and I really like it. I compared to my Oheler 35P and it's pretty close in measurements.

 

[lcq]

Yeah. There's a personal chronograph out there for reloads, etc. called the LabRadar:

http://www.longrangehunting.com/store/labradar-chronograph.html

Don't know much about it, but I have heard that it is getting mixed reviews. Apparently, it's software is being reconfigured to detect smaller bullets such as the .22 cal bullets which it was having a hard time detecting. At least that's what I heard...Hoever, it is a cool concept.

I have a Magnetospeed V2 and I really like it. I compared to my Oheler 35P and it's pretty close in measurements.

that is a consumer product, hornady and others use commercial, read outrageously expensive stuff

 

[WildRose]

have a look at my test results http://www.phsafaris.com/blog/bullet-performance

Thanks Petrus, very well done.

I shot some Privi Partisan factory 300wm ammo with the Perigrine 185gr (maybe 180, would have to look) and had very similar performance on the Kudu, Black Widebeest and one other animal from which we recovered a bullet but I can't remember which.

I was quite impressed.

You should send the development guys at Hornady links to that and perhaps to this thread as well.

Both the 375 Ruger and 416 Ruger were specifically developed as dangerous game calibers and they need to ensure that the DG series ammo is up to the job.

 

[Kristof Aucamp]

Good day Gent.

I trust that everyone is doing well, happy and healthy.

I want to start by saying…i'm not here to bad mouth any bullets manufacturer and or product. I worked at Safari & Outdoor for a couple of years and recently joined team Peregrine Bullets so for the last 4 of 5 years bullets has been part of my daily life. There is not one bullet type or bullet name I haven’t not seen a failure on! Some more than others though.


In my line of work I get to know some great guys, professional hunters and outfitters. The team of Pro Hunting Safari Company, the guys from Game Trackers of Tanzania, Game Frontiers of Tanzania and African Pride Hunting Safaris. (Just to name a few) They are all the new and upcoming “legends”!

I’m sure most of you knows, or are familiar with JOHAN CALITZ, If you are…you will also know what experience he has in Dangerous Game hunting. In my eyes he is one of the biggest hunting legends still alive today. Now, I am very blessed to be able to have had a very close relationship with him for a long time.

I introduced Johan Calitz to Peregrine Bullets this year when I joined the Peregrine Bullet team, ever since then he used them in his 416 Rigby, 470 NE, 500 NE 3” and his 500 Jeff, 375 H&H and 300 H&H will follow soon. He has completely moved over to Peregrine Bullets, leaving all his Hornady cartridges behind. Trusting our bullets with his life and the life of all his clients.
Here is some of his recovered bullets from Buffalo...

416 Rigby

500 N.E

I like this saying and always believed in it myself "...at which point during the death of the animal did the bullet fail?" by Velo Dog by the comment of Matt85 carries a lot of truth as well. Every "ethical" hunter want an animal to die as quickly as possible. The sad truth in that statement is that only you have the power over that by.

1. Shot Placement
2. Choice of Caliber
3. Choice of Bullets

A good quality bullet cannot and will not make up for bad shot placement but a bullet that gives you 98%+ Weight Retention, Straight Line Penetration and Good Expansion surely helps a lot!!!

I did some ballistic test with B&M Rifles and Cartridges in the U.S on our EXPANDING bullets and I will try to post those result in another tread.

Well guys, that's my thought on the subject.

Kind Regards

For the guys that's interested in reading more about our product range please visit www.peregrinebullets.com or e-mail me on kristof@peregrinebullets.com

 

[Desperatezulu]

That would be a good description of the Interbond. I've shot a ton of game with them and never had them let me down. Sadly they've been "temporarily suspended" so maybe it'll be a new and improved Interbond? I've always tough the one thing it needed was a crimp like the interloc to help cut off the expansion at a level retaining good length of the remainder.

Yip, mine was a tongue in cheek comment about them getting their production running properly and getting ample availability of their existing range, i.e. Interbonds. Seems short-sighted to be focusing on glitzy launches of mysterious products when they can't supply their current products.

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

Good day Gent.
I did some ballistic test with B&M Rifles and Cartridges in the U.S on our EXPANDING bullets and I will try to post those result in another tread.

I hope you enjoyed your time with Michael. I have a .458B&M and look forward to reading that thread.

 

[Witold Krzyżanowski]

This is very good utterance Kristof.
Witold

 

[WildRose]

Yip, mine was a tongue in cheek comment about them getting their production running properly and getting ample availability of their existing range, i.e. Interbonds. Seems short-sighted to be focusing on glitzy launches of mysterious products when they can't supply their current products.

I suspect the reason they are having issues with supplying these bullets could be due to preparing to launch a new product line. One thing about the US market, you don't want to announce the launch of a "new and improved" product unless you have enough of a back stock to supply the sudden demand that comes with a new product launch.

 

[WildRose]

Good day Gent.

I trust that everyone is doing well, happy and healthy.

I want to start by saying…i'm not here to bad mouth any bullets manufacturer and or product. I worked at Safari & Outdoor for a couple of years and recently joined team Peregrine Bullets so for the last 4 of 5 years bullets has been part of my daily life. There is not one bullet type or bullet name I haven’t not seen a failure on! Some more than others though.


In my line of work I get to know some great guys, professional hunters and outfitters. The team of Pro Hunting Safari Company, the guys from Game Trackers of Tanzania, Game Frontiers of Tanzania and African Pride Hunting Safaris. (Just to name a few) They are all the new and upcoming “legends”!

I’m sure most of you knows, or are familiar with JOHAN CALITZ, If you are…you will also know what experience he has in Dangerous Game hunting. In my eyes he is one of the biggest hunting legends still alive today. Now, I am very blessed to be able to have had a very close relationship with him for a long time.

I introduced Johan Calitz to Peregrine Bullets this year when I joined the Peregrine Bullet team, ever since then he used them in his 416 Rigby, 470 NE, 500 NE 3” and his 500 Jeff, 375 H&H and 300 H&H will follow soon. He has completely moved over to Peregrine Bullets, leaving all his Hornady cartridges behind. Trusting our bullets with his life and the life of all his clients.
Here is some of his recovered bullets from Buffalo...

416 Rigby
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500 N.E
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I like this saying and always believed in it myself "...at which point during the death of the animal did the bullet fail?" by Velo Dog by the comment of Matt85 carries a lot of truth as well. Every "ethical" hunter want an animal to die as quickly as possible. The sad truth in that statement is that only you have the power over that by.

1. Shot Placement
2. Choice of Caliber
3. Choice of Bullets

A good quality bullet cannot and will not make up for bad shot placement but a bullet that gives you 98%+ Weight Retention, Straight Line Penetration and Good Expansion surely helps a lot!!!

I did some ballistic test with B&M Rifles and Cartridges in the U.S on our EXPANDING bullets and I will try to post those result in another tread.

Well guys, that's my thought on the subject.

Kind Regards

For the guys that's interested in reading more about our product range please visit www.peregrinebullets.com or e-mail me on kristof@peregrinebullets.com

Really good info. Francois vd Walt at Classic Arms in Witbank is a good friend and partner of mine and it was he who introduced me to the Perigrine line of bullets.

I only used the 30 cal in a 300wm on a few animals while I was there but I was extremely pleased with the performance.