Heym vs Kriegsoff Double Rifles

[norfolk shooter]

@Velo Dog thanks for that input it has helped

 

[CDorroh]

And that's my problem. I'm a hand loader and want to be able to load my softs as well as my solids

Mate i tried to get a 470NE put on my FAC for expanding ammo and use in the UK on deer. You could guess what the rozzers said

You may know the Heym its for sale at J Roberts

Pardon my ignorance, and I know this is off-topic, but do you mind giving a brief explanation of the laws you are referring to in the UK? Being from the U.S., I'm not in the loop on this one. What would one have to do to own a .450/400 or a .470 NE in the UK?

 

[norfolk shooter]

In the uk each firearm has to have a calibre specific designation on you licence. You are then given an ammunition allowance for that calibre. Expanding ammunition on the other hand is a restricted item unless you have permission to aquire on your licence. But then that too is calibre specific. I had a six month battle to get my 375 H&H cleared and get expanding ammo for it.
The funny thing is most of the firearm enquiry officers don't know the first thing about the different calibres out there.

 

[peras]

Manish, just toss a coin and buy a double.

 

[CDorroh]

In the uk each firearm has to have a calibre specific designation on you licence. You are then given an ammunition allowance for that calibre. Expanding ammunition on the other hand is a restricted item unless you have permission to aquire on your licence. But then that too is calibre specific. I had a six month battle to get my 375 H&H cleared and get expanding ammo for it.
The funny thing is most of the firearm enquiry officers don't know the first thing about the different calibres out there.

That's unfortunate. I think it's interesting they discriminate against expanding ammunition, when IMO solids or jacketed bullets would be more likely to pose a potential public safety hazard due to over-penetrating through your target and whatever is behind it. In my experience a jacketed round is also more likely to ricochet than a soft point. That's got to be frustrating to live in the home of so many great gun builders where so many historic hunting calibers were also developed, but to have so many legal barriers to owning one. Alas, I digress.

My experience with double rifles has thus far been limited to simply admiring them. I suspect that admiration may eventually lead to greater things, but not for a while anyhow. That said, if I were investing in a double I would want one in classic flanged chambering. .450 NE would probably be my first choice, with .470 NE and .450/400 runner-ups. However, I am blessed with more lax firearms laws than you are (for the time being - I'm sure that will change in the future). In your circumstances, I too would be more compelled to consider buying one in .375 H&H. Here's an idea. You could purchase the Heym in .375 since you are already licensed for that caliber. In the meantime, start working on the licensure for whatever caliber would be your ideal preference. If you get approved, you could later trade the .375 for another double in your preferred caliber when the opportunity arose. Then again, if you were to be completely satisfied with the .375, you may never see a reason to trade.

 

[norfolk shooter]

@CDorroh Its against the law in the UK to shoot game with non expanding ammo. I know its stupid. To top it off I have tried to get something in the 400 group to which they say you have a DG cal already we wont grant you expanding ammo for the bigger one. But I can use it on a range.

 

[Velo Dog]

Pardon my ignorance, and I know this is off-topic, but do you mind giving a brief explanation of the laws you are referring to in the UK? Being from the U.S., I'm not in the loop on this one. What would one have to do to own a .450/400 or a .470 NE in the UK?

If Billary Clinton gets elected, all of us here will soon "be in the loop".

 

[norfolk shooter]

I think I might wait until December and if the heym is still there it will make a nice 35th birthday/Christmas present for me. If it's gone than I can have chat with Krieghoff or Chapues for that matter in February

 

[CDorroh]

@CDorroh Its against the law in the UK to shoot game with non expanding ammo. I know its stupid. To top it off I have tried to get something in the 400 group to which they say you have a DG cal already we wont grant you expanding ammo for the bigger one. But I can use it on a range.

FUBAR


I can understand requiring expanding bullets for hunting (this is often the case with several game species in the U.S. as well), but to then turn around and create so many barriers to acquiring expanding bullets is beyond words. Even on the shooting range, I would consider expanding bullets safer for the same reasons I listed above. It sounds like a back door way to restrict hunting without directly saying that is what you're doing. Regarding the licensure approval, with political BS like this in the US, it sometimes is very helpful to "know someone" involved in the process. I don't know if either your dealer or perhaps the gun manufacturer might have some connections and be able to lobby for you so that your application might get approved? Having the right person review an application (for anything) can often times be the difference in getting it approved. Just a thought.

If Billary Clinton gets elected, all of us here will soon "be in the loop".

Precisely. And then we will be FUBAR.

 

[Gundog]

Forget about a KGun, possibly the worst gun company to get service from.

 

[Jumbo]

Hey Gundog, interested in your comment?

Why do you say that about their service? I have had some really good support from Ralph and from our local agent is RSA. Is this relevant to your local agent, or to the Factory?

 

[Gundog]

Hey Gundog, interested in your comment?

Why do you say that about their service? I have had some really good support from Ralph and from our local agent is RSA. Is this relevant to your local agent, or to the Factory?

Relevant to the factory. You will find a better explanation under my post " Krieghoff Service".

 

[matt85]

ive handled and shot both, while the Krieghoff will work the Heym will be a nicer gun. if both are available for the same price then the Heym is a better choice.

-matt

 

[Fr8liner]

ive handled and shot both, while the Krieghoff will work the Heym will be a nicer gun. if both are available for the same price then the Heym is a better choice.

-matt

@matt85 where would you rate the Merkel out of the three with Krieghoff & Heym

 

[Foxi]

im not matt85 ,apologize for my answer unasked.
But I know a little bit about these firms here in Germany.
All three are good companies.
But Merkel has from all three the lowest retail value.
I would choose a Heym, not better than Krieghoff ,but I ve (and friends) bolt action (and others ) guns from Heym since decades,never a problem.I like Heym.

Foxi

 

[EDELWEISS]

How'bout this--WHICH ONE FEELS BETTER? Cuz thats the one to pick

 

[Fr8liner]

Thank you @Foxi I had a feeling that from the prices the Heym is ahead!!
Means I need to save for longer

 

[spike.t]

@Fr8liner if you are looking for a good strong working type rifle at a reasonable price the merkel is very good. i would have one over a kreighoff but then i just dont like them...

 

[matt85]

@matt85 where would you rate the Merkel out of the three with Krieghoff & Heym

Merkel produces "budget" rifles on an "assembly line". while ive not heard many bad things about Merkel, i would not put them into the same category as custom and semi-custom rifles. before buying a Merkel id recommend trying the rifle first to make sure it shoots properly and fits you properly.

-matt

 

[lionman]

Choose the Heym. The Krieghoff trigger cocking mechanism an disadvantage in quick engage. U buy double for short distance dangerous game hunts. So faster and more simple in engagement to a shot the better your chance of survival