Heym or Verney Carron?

[Mlibizi 8182]

Wrong its her coin! She values my opinion, as I do yours, but she will make her choice and to hell with my opinion, women!

 

[Mlibizi 8182]

I emailed VC about two weeks ago. I have not had a reply does anyone have Jeromes direct e-mail address. There will not be a purchase made until at least we have had correspondence. If time permits we will try to hit the expo, I believe he is supposed to be in attendance.

 

[jand]

Mlibizi , I sent you Jerome's personal number via PM .

He is expecting a whattsapp from you.

 

[Mlibizi 8182]

Thanks everyone, Jerome made a speedy contact, now she is leaning towards VC, PH, case color, 24", moon sight, ejector, intercepting sears, merc recoil reducer, kick eez pad, oil finish, coated bbls (not blued). I guess that about sums it up!

 

[Kevin Peacocke]

This is incorrect. The Greener cross bolt does add to the strength of the action. Properly jointed, it's often unnecessary, but if itself well fitted, a cross bolt serves to directly counter thrust.

Third fasteners are almost universally applied to double rifles which follow the English pattern of lock-up (double under lugs, jointed with a good bearing on the circle, etc.). Some are broadly misunderstood, though, most of all the concealed fastener, as is common with Holland & Holland (pictured below). The concealed third fastener is intended to counter thrust by virtue of inhibiting a bending of the bar (which it does by acting in a plane perpendicular to that commonly supposed). Most view it as just another grip, but it's not and functions in a manner fundamentally different than the two on the bottom lug (of which only the rear is brought to bear when jointing, the front being for all intents and purposes there to work in conjunction with the run-up).

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An old thread, but topical. As a fellow engineer I agree, of course the Greener bolt adds strength, it is almost beyond me why they aren't more universal. I bought a Verney but have been disappointed. One day I will sell it and replace it with a Heym because I have had the action open on firing multiple times. Knowing its problem maybe only a gunsmith will buy it for cheap.
As to looks the new Heym 89B certainly corrects that, it is a beautiful double.

 

[degoins]

What does Verney say about that?

 

[Kevin Peacocke]

I reported it to the agents where I bought it in Johannesburg and their response was to bring it back so they can take a look, fair enough. As someone else said on another post here, that is impossible, it takes a huge amount of effort to bring the rifle into Zim in the first place, even more to export it again. I just don't have the energy. I am not slagging Verney, I think they make excellent rifles and this one is an honest mistake. We have a very good gun smith here, he has worked on it, but he says there is nothing more to be done. Maybe he can increase the lockup sear engagement a bit more? He already fitted a stiffer spring, it still opened after that. Such a pity, it shoots so superbly when it works. Maybe it just needs more use to wear things in?
So hey, I either cry over it or move on, and I will do the latter. You either live in a country with sophisticated gun backup down the road or wild buffalo! This thread is so topical because I had been thinking on a Heym 89B because of the positive lockup with that Greener bolt. I would have to save all over, but I don't collect rifles, this would be the last. I'll post a thread separately asking if anyone has one that they can give an opinion upon.

 

[yhc]

I reported it to the agents where I bought it in Johannesburg and their response was to bring it back so they can take a look, fair enough. As someone else said on another post here, that is impossible, it takes a huge amount of effort to bring the rifle into Zim in the first place, even more to export it again. I just don't have the energy.

Since you bought it new, shouldn’t VC take care of the issue, including shipping/exporting to and from? At least that would be my expectation here in the US.

Regards,

 

[Kevin Peacocke]

Since you bought it new, shouldn’t VC take care of the issue, including shipping/exporting to and from? At least that would be my expectation here in the US.

Regards,

The bottom line is that I have to get an export permit out of Zimbabwe, an import permit into South Africa, both big procedures. Then presuming they can fix it, a re-export permit from South Africa and a reimport permit into Zimbabwe. What a mission! Probably a year in total.

 

[degoins]

It's a shame about the import hassles. I'm sure Verney would make good on it all round. They are super nice rifles and the company is very good to work with.

 

[degoins]

Actually the situation is a shame to start with. Very sorry to hear about it.