Here we go again! Another terror attack on US soil!

[Dragan N.]

My concern with the focus on terrorism is that it hides the real threat to Western democratic interests. Terrorism is a threat to us personally and immediately so it attracts a lot of attention. Meanwhile, totalitarian regimes like China get stronger off of our dollars every day.

Ok and lets look at a country like Saudi Arabia then. It is a totalitarian regime, the number one financier of Islamic terrorism worldwide, economically (through oil) very strongly tied to the US and other western countries and and also a "major ally". Yet somehow this country is less of a threat to Western democratic interests than many others...

 

[Pheroze]

And the crazy thing is that Canada has the third largest reserves of oil in the world. Yet the "greens" block the pipelines that will help make north America independent of those groups.

Are the greens backed by Saudi?

 

[sestoppelman]

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the shooting.

 

[sestoppelman]

We might have a lot of crime in RSA, but we don't have these mass killings.

This was not simply a mass killing, it was a terror attack. It is not the same as just some random shooting.

 

[K-man]

Condolences to the families and friends of victims and wounded. A sad day for all.

 

[edward]

The mans father is talking and trying to say it had nothing to do with religion. The father says his son was upset seeing gays display affection in public. Ok! To Sestoppelmans point the hatred of gays is a basic tenant of Islam. This guy knew what he was doing....he aimed and took his time to shoot. Fifty dead and more likely to die. He was on a list at one time and I am sure we will hear more about that.

WE WONT HEAR WHY NOTHING WAS DONE BEFORE THIS HAPPENED.

 

[edward]

This was not simply a mass killing, it was a terror attack. It is not the same as just some random shooting.

FIREARMS WILL STILL BE THE DEAD HORSE BEAT TO DEATH SOME MORE.AND THE HAG WILL TRY AND PROFIT FROM THIS WITH MORE POLITICAL BULL SHIT FOR MORE VOTES.

 

[cpr0312]

Very sad news, prayers to the families!

 

[Alexandro Faria]

Mr. Alexandro,
Why do you think that is?
I am genuinely interested in your opinion.
I do not want to start a "gun law" debate.
(I have hunted in your Country twice.)
Thanks

Various reasons, I don't think we can attribute it to a single thing. But I'm more than happy to list a few thoughts on the matter.
1) I don't see native South Africans having the ability or balls to orchestrate such an operation, muslim or other.
2) USA has a reputation for being the western bullie of our modern world. Many countries dislike the US and their convictions as a nation. Where as South Africa can't even get it's shit together to run its own country, let alone get involved with another.
3) South Africa's biggest fights are internal and race-based. Black vs white, especially the afrikaans.
4) South Africa's constitution is amazing: One of the first countries to allow gay marriage, promotes human rights brilliantly, religious freedom being one of those. We've never had an issue with the large muslim community and the latest ISIS threat has nothing to do with us.

So to conclude, SA doesn't dabble in the business of others (justly or otherwise), we can't get our shit together as a people to do anything like that, our issues between our people are race based and not religious. The US is very clear on what it stands for and that irritates some, SA aren't quite sure what they stand for.

But as I said, there's so many aspects to this, I doubt a forum discussion can do it any justice.

 

[charleslabounty]

Various reasons, I don't think we can attribute it to a single thing. But I'm more than happy to list a few thoughts on the matter.
1) I don't see native South Africans having the ability or balls to orchestrate such an operation, muslim or other.
2) USA has a reputation for being the western bullie of our modern world. Many countries dislike the US and their convictions as a nation. Where as South Africa can't even get it's shit together to run its own country, let alone get involved with another.
3) South Africa's biggest fights are internal and race-based. Black vs white, especially the afrikaans.
4) South Africa's constitution is amazing: One of the first countries to allow gay marriage, promotes human rights brilliantly, religious freedom being one of those. We've never had an issue with the large muslim community and the latest ISIS threat has nothing to do with us.

So to conclude, SA doesn't dabble in the business of others (justly or otherwise), we can't get our shit together as a people to do anything like that, our issues between our people are race based and not religious. The US is very clear on what it stands for and that irritates some, SA aren't quite sure what they stand for.

But as I said, there's so many aspects to this, I doubt a forum discussion can do it any justice.

 

[charleslabounty]

Various reasons, I don't think we can attribute it to a single thing. But I'm more than happy to list a few thoughts on the matter.
1) I don't see native South Africans having the ability or balls to orchestrate such an operation, muslim or other.
2) USA has a reputation for being the western bullie of our modern world. Many countries dislike the US and their convictions as a nation. Where as South Africa can't even get it's shit together to run its own country, let alone get involved with another.
3) South Africa's biggest fights are internal and race-based. Black vs white, especially the afrikaans.
4) South Africa's constitution is amazing: One of the first countries to allow gay marriage, promotes human rights brilliantly, religious freedom being one of those. We've never had an issue with the large muslim community and the latest ISIS threat has nothing to do with us.

So to conclude, SA doesn't dabble in the business of others (justly or otherwise), we can't get our shit together as a people to do anything like that, our issues between our people are race based and not religious. The US is very clear on what it stands for and that irritates some, SA aren't quite sure what they stand for.

But as I said, there's so many aspects to this, I doubt a forum discussion can do it any justice.

Well I asked your opinion, and you more than adequately responded.
I sincerely thank you.

 

[Clayton]

My old Dad used to ask: "Who appointed us (the USA) policeman to the world?" And that was probably the most polite comment had.

 

[Eventually_Africa_Again]

My fellow hunters,

At times like this it is easy to delve into debates about gun laws, religions and, yes, even the countries this happened in. In my humble opinion such acts can easily be summarized without going into any of that. At the end of the day this was a human, as distasteful as that is, and nothing else needs explaining. We are a wild, crazy, intensely emotional (for both good and bad) race and no matter who is involved or for what reason the fact is that nothing will ever prevent this from happening. We, as a race, will never weed out our own extremists (religious or otherwise) because to do so is to fight not only our nature but beyond that an idea. You can not win a fight against an idea, especially one as deeply held as hate, which this individual seemed to embody. Rather than get caught up in such a futile exercise, let us for a moment simply bow our heads and let our thoughts and feelings go out to those who lost their friends and family, and to those who are right now fighting for their lives in the hospitals, as well as those doctors, nurses and others who are fighting with them to overcome their wounds. Let us lay aside our differences, if only for one moment, and come together as fellow travelers to wish those families and individuals speedy recoveries from the wounds, physical, emotional, spiritual. After that, we can go back to our respective corners and debate all of the above. We are, after all, in this together.

Thank you for listening,

 

[wipartimer]

Exactly

 

[Saul]

Islam is no friend of gays. Throughout the Muslim world during Ramadan, gays are targeted and killed. Yet, liberals want to support Islam in the name of tolerance. What a truly disgusting culture.

 

[Dragan N.]

Slightly off topic but an interesting read about how ISIS is actually very Islamic and not just a random collection of a bunch of psychopaths and social misfits as it is usually portrayed :

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

 

[siml]

@Alexandro Faria "SA doesn't have mass killings..." it happens so often in SA, that we don't even realize. 70 000 white South Africans murdered since 1994. I would class that as mass killings.

You just need to google, mass killings in South Africa, you will be shocked to see the results. I will agree with you, South Africa can't get their own "shit" together.

Going back to the Orlando killings, guns don't kill people, someone has to pull the trigger.....

@Eventually_Africa , well said, yes our prayers do go out to all involved.

 

[rinehart0050]

My fellow hunters,

At times like this it is easy to delve into debates about gun laws, religions and, yes, even the countries this happened in. In my humble opinion such acts can easily be summarized without going into any of that. At the end of the day this was a human, as distasteful as that is, and nothing else needs explaining. We are a wild, crazy, intensely emotional (for both good and bad) race and no matter who is involved or for what reason the fact is that nothing will ever prevent this from happening. We, as a race, will never weed out our own extremists (religious or otherwise) because to do so is to fight not only our nature but beyond that an idea. You can not win a fight against an idea, especially one as deeply held as hate, which this individual seemed to embody. Rather than get caught up in such a futile exercise, let us for a moment simply bow our heads and let our thoughts and feelings go out to those who lost their friends and family, and to those who are right now fighting for their lives in the hospitals, as well as those doctors, nurses and others who are fighting with them to overcome their wounds. Let us lay aside our differences, if only for one moment, and come together as fellow travelers to wish those families and individuals speedy recoveries from the wounds, physical, emotional, spiritual. After that, we can go back to our respective corners and debate all of the above. We are, after all, in this together.

Thank you for listening,

Well said. Politics aside, this is a sad day for not just America, but freedom-loving people around the world.

 

[lcq]

Well said. Politics aside, this is a sad day for not just America, but freedom-loving people around the world.

It is a sad day for freedom loving people because everytime a criminal terrorist perpetrates a horrific crime government removes more of our freedom

 

[billc]

That sad part is so many people died and others having there lives ruined by this cowards actions.

Then the clown and witch come out saying it is all because of the gun laws. I am not sure how people get so clueless on what the real problems are other then they see if they turn a blind eye to it all those are the people who vote for them.They just don't see how the whole world is going down the toilet and we are leading the way down. They want America to be first but leading the way down the toilet is not what we should be the leader in.

They are willing to do anything to get votes with no care on what will happen. It is funny how they think we should just keep letting everyone in and ruin are country more. Then we let them in and we get to see how proud they are of the country they just left. How we should change to be more like all the places all the people want to leave because there lives sucked.

We just keep getting the trash that will vote to keep getting the handouts but not respect the laws or values that made this country the best.

We are living in some sad times