Help me build the perfect practice rifle

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Obviously practicing with the rifle you’re going to hunt with is the best thing you can do. Realistically though most people can only handle a limited number of shots from heavier recoiling guns. There is great benefit to working on breath and trigger technique with lighter recoiling rifles. This is obviously a supplement to practicing with your actual hunting rifle not a replacement for that practice.

So I got to thinking what’s the perfect practice rifle? Ideally it should be a set up similar to your main gun in terms of safety position etc.

One candidate would be a quality bolt gun in .22 long rifle. Something like a Model 52. But I think I’d rather for with something centerfire partially because I enjoy reloading. Working up new loads would be an excuse to shoot more.

One of the centerfire 22 calibers would fill the bill but some of those suffer from short barrel life. My 375 is a Model 70 and I alway thought one in 220 Swift wood be a nice pairing but I’ve heard those burn out barrels quickly.

So if you were building the perfect lower recoiling practice rifle what would you go with?
 
In preparation for my 2022 safari I did the following. I was taking my 375 H&H rifle, so I had to practice with that rifle. However, cost of ammo for practice was something I had to think about. So, this is what I did.

Shot from the shooting sticks I was taking with me. I would start with a 22 LR rifle, and shoot 10 rounds. Then I would switch to the 375 H&H and shoot 1-3 rounds. Then I switch to the 22 LR, and 375 H&H, and would finish with shooting the 22 LR. The number of rounds fired through the 375 H&H depended on my body telling it had it enough. Mind you, I had never fired a 375 H&H before, so I worked on it slowly until my body was able to take 10 rounds in one sitting. BTW, I never shot from the bench, only to check zero, all those shots were fired from the sticks. Let me tell you, it helped out tremendously.
 
This is a great question! I was the SAAM shooting school on the FTW ranch and they were using Ruger bolt rifles in .223 set up to mirror the .375 HH rifle. Most drills were done with the .223, then actual firing was done with the bigger bore.

I came home and bought a Win. M70 in .223 with CRF and a big bore scope. I practice with this the most, then test myself offhand with the .375 HH and my .416 Rigby. Takes the wear and rear off my shoulder and saves a lot on ammo.
Try it!
 
I had 4" of barrel cut off of my .375H&H, barrel threaded. Now when I want to shoot it at my range, I screw on a muzzle brake and slip on a Limbsaver butt pad over the Pachmayr, this allows me to shoot my gun with great comfort. Once it is time to hunt, I take off the muzzle brake and extra butt pad. I've never yet felt the recoil of shooting my .375H&H at a game animal.
 
.22LR is still the best, otherwise perhaps a rifle in .223REM?

I do most of my practice with dryfire at home though.
 
I shoot three guns in the field: Browning A5 Magnum Twelve; 30-06 Springfield 03A3, and 404 Jeffery on 98 Mauser. All have wildly different safety positions: shotgun @ rear trigger guard; Springfield has 2-position wing on left side of shroud; Mauser wears a Model 70 style 3-position safety on right side of bolt shroud. Generally before hunting season I shoot enough rounds through the rifles at the range to zero them and that's it. I built the 404 last year and changed the Springfield safety four years ago to left side so haven't spent a huge amount of time familiarizing myself. Every year I hunt with all three guns and have never had an issue finding the safety. I have determined the LOP is shorter on the Mauser than Springfield and I will be fixing that with a thicker recoil pad.

For me a lot of range practice with the rifles is just not necessary. It's expensive and I have had retina issues in the past. However, a bit more time with the 30-06 this year at a critical juncture might have been helpful. First morning deer hunting I missed a huge muley buck because the trigger on my Springfield was significantly lighter than my shotgun's. I'd been hunting uplands every day for more than a month. The buck was on the run and I hammered the light 06 trigger like I do bird hunting with heavy trigger shotgun and shot over his back. Got him eventually two days later ... and again on the run.
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I think there's a point of diminishing returns practicing with a different gun than what one will be hunting with, as demonstrated above. I didn't have trouble changing to a different safety but shooting a different trigger was partly to blame for missing the shot. If I spent all my time practicing with a light recoil rifle and then went after game with the 404, I would likely get wounded. Have to hang onto that thumper gun or it will hit me. It ain't no 30-06!
 
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Obviously practicing with the rifle you’re going to hunt with is the best thing you can do. Realistically though most people can only handle a limited number of shots from heavier recoiling guns. There is great benefit to working on breath and trigger technique with lighter recoiling rifles. This is obviously a supplement to practicing with your actual hunting rifle not a replacement for that practice.

So I got to thinking what’s the perfect practice rifle? Ideally it should be a set up similar to your main gun in terms of safety position etc.

One candidate would be a quality bolt gun in .22 long rifle. Something like a Model 52. But I think I’d rather for with something centerfire partially because I enjoy reloading. Working up new loads would be an excuse to shoot more.

One of the centerfire 22 calibers would fill the bill but some of those suffer from short barrel life. My 375 is a Model 70 and I alway thought one in 220 Swift wood be a nice pairing but I’ve heard those burn out barrels quickly.

So if you were building the perfect lower recoiling practice rifle what would you go with?
I got a 223 barrel for my R8 in 375. Same length, contour etc
 
Same rifle in 223 or 6.5 CM would be a good answer.

I’ve got two switch barrel rifles now; my 375 turns into a 223 and my 300 PRC turns into a 6.5 PRC. Going to add a 300 mag barrel and 6.5 PRC to my R8. The 6.5 PRC has ~ 1/3 the recoil of a 375 and half the recoil of my 300 PRC.

Same rifle, optics, action etc.
 
I shoot a Model 70 375 and find the old Ruger 77/22 RS 22LR is a great practice tool. I actually have two of them. One without a scope for use with the iron sights and another with a scope. The safety is positioned and works like the M70, so handling is effectively the same. I find that time spent with these rifles absolutely translates to better performance with the 375.
 
I shoot three guns in the field: Browning A5 Magnum Twelve; 30-06 Springfield 03A3, and 404 Jeffery on 98 Mauser. All have wildly different safety positions: shotgun @ rear trigger guard; Springfield has 2-position wing on left side of shroud; Mauser wears a Model 70 style 3-position safety on right side of bolt shroud. Generally before hunting season I shoot enough rounds through the rifles at the range to zero them and that's it. I built the 404 last year and changed the Springfield safety four years ago to left side so haven't spent a huge amount of time familiarizing myself. Every year I hunt with all three guns and have never had an issue finding the safety. I have determined the LOP is shorter on the Mauser than Springfield and I will be fixing that with a thicker recoil pad.

For me a lot of range practice with the rifles is just not necessary. It's expensive and I have had retina issues in the past. However, a bit more time with the 30-06 this year at a critical juncture might have been helpful. First morning deer hunting I missed a huge muley buck because the trigger on my Springfield was significantly lighter than my shotgun's. I'd been hunting uplands every day for more than a month. The buck was on the run and I hammered the light 06 trigger like I do bird hunting with heavy trigger shotgun and shot over his back. Got him eventually two days later ... and again on the run.
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I think there's a point of diminishing returns practicing with a different gun than what one will be hunting with, as demonstrated above. I didn't have trouble changing to a different safety but shooting a different trigger was partly to blame for missing the shot. If I spent all my time practicing with a light recoil rifle and then went after game with the 404, I would likely get wounded. Have to hang onto that thumper gun or it will hit me. It ain't no 30-06!
I've often wanted to reply to your usual drivel, however what's the point?
In this case though, your post demands a response....

Ontario, when you dispense your wisdom and advice to the forum, you cannot know for certain the experience or skill level of the readers. Therefore, when a novice hunter, or a seasoned hunter with no African exposure, reads your advice it's possible they will read it as established fact.
The reader might not realize that you are indeed "The Finest Most Best-tus Most Accomplished Most Greatest White North Hunter" the forum, indeed the civilized world, has ever witnessed.
To even stand in your shadow is a privilege.
In the past, you've made it clear that practicing from the sticks is a "fools errand", and we've all been in awe of your innate ability to shoot, anything, anywhere, any distance, for any reason.
However....
Mr Ontario, I'm begging you to consider that everyone reading this forum, has not been gifted with your experience, your wisdom, and your desire to teach and share as you have....

Perhaps if we had all been privileged to start our hunting journey with a rifle that "Dad built", we might be better, more tolerant people, just like you.
Perhaps if we had the skills to assemble 'The Legendary 404 Jeff" from the very detritus of the Industrial Revolution, and indeed a World War, we all might be as accomplished as you are.
Perhaps if we all shared an unhealthy fixation, some might say fetish, regarding an old shotgun, we might be as well adjusted as you clearly are.

No question, I will be sorry that I've attempted to impart my meager opinions onto such a "Giant of the African Hunting Community".

Now to the OP..
In my opinion, you should practice from the sticks with a .22 rimfire. Fire a minimum of 500 rounds from the sticks, bench rest is for checking zero and ballistics. You must be training, training to shoot accurately and quickly from a platform that Americans are not often exposed to. After 500 shots, foot placement, height of the sticks, grasping the forend/stick cradle, and most importantly the sight picture while shooting from sticks will become effortless.
This is training, not practice.

Good Luck
Denvir Tire signing off
 
I've often wanted to reply to your usual drivel, however what's the point?
In this case though, your post demands a response....

Ontario, when you dispense your wisdom and advice to the forum, you cannot know for certain the experience or skill level of the readers. Therefore, when a novice hunter, or a seasoned hunter with no African exposure, reads your advice it's possible they will read it as established fact.
The reader might not realize that you are indeed "The Finest Most Best-tus Most Accomplished Most Greatest White North Hunter" the forum, indeed the civilized world, has ever witnessed.
To even stand in your shadow is a privilege.
In the past, you've made it clear that practicing from the sticks is a "fools errand", and we've all been in awe of your innate ability to shoot, anything, anywhere, any distance, for any reason.
However....
Mr Ontario, I'm begging you to consider that everyone reading this forum, has not been gifted with your experience, your wisdom, and your desire to teach and share as you have....

Perhaps if we had all been privileged to start our hunting journey with a rifle that "Dad built", we might be better, more tolerant people, just like you.
Perhaps if we had the skills to assemble 'The Legendary 404 Jeff" from the very detritus of the Industrial Revolution, and indeed a World War, we all might be as accomplished as you are.
Perhaps if we all shared an unhealthy fixation, some might say fetish, regarding an old shotgun, we might be as well adjusted as you clearly are.

No question, I will be sorry that I've attempted to impart my meager opinions onto such a "Giant of the African Hunting Community".

Now to the OP..
In my opinion, you should practice from the sticks with a .22 rimfire. Fire a minimum of 500 rounds from the sticks, bench rest is for checking zero and ballistics. You must be training, training to shoot accurately and quickly from a platform that Americans are not often exposed to. After 500 shots, foot placement, height of the sticks, grasping the forend/stick cradle, and most importantly the sight picture while shooting from sticks will become effortless.
This is training, not practice.

Good Luck
Denvir Tire signing off
That’s a little harsh. We all get a bit irritated from time to time, but we would be best served to disagree respectively. I over-reacted the other day to a post, so it happens, but for the camaraderie of the hunting community let’s try to be kind.

Merry Christmas everyone.
 
.22LR is still the best, otherwise perhaps a rifle in .223REM?

I do most of my practice with dryfire at home though.
My Go to practice for immediate daily tasks is a Ruger 77/22 Magnum with 4x scope (IOR Valdada). Accurate within 75 yards, with my skill.

I prefer the.22 Magnum over .22LR as the trajectory is better.

Next I use a Ruger .223 African, African iron sights, 23 inch barrel., 3 position safety like a Model 70, and my modified Mauser with 3 position safety. 2-7 scope.
I bought the Ruger African. 223 for this purpose exactly.

It’s muzzle heavy, need to adjust balance. The recoil is negligible, but the noise/ muzzle blast is more like a real high power rifle.

I’ve been thinking I need a Model 70 in .223, set with African metal.
Hard to find, the serious varmint hunters like the fast twist barrel and accuracy.

Ruger .223 African is a better option than my Ruger 77/22 Magnum.

But the Ruger.22 Magnum stays by the back door for varmint control.
 
I've often wanted to reply to your usual drivel, however what's the point?
In this case though, your post demands a response....

Ontario, when you dispense your wisdom and advice to the forum, you cannot know for certain the experience or skill level of the readers. Therefore, when a novice hunter, or a seasoned hunter with no African exposure, reads your advice it's possible they will read it as established fact.
The reader might not realize that you are indeed "The Finest Most Best-tus Most Accomplished Most Greatest White North Hunter" the forum, indeed the civilized world, has ever witnessed.
To even stand in your shadow is a privilege.
In the past, you've made it clear that practicing from the sticks is a "fools errand", and we've all been in awe of your innate ability to shoot, anything, anywhere, any distance, for any reason.
However....
Mr Ontario, I'm begging you to consider that everyone reading this forum, has not been gifted with your experience, your wisdom, and your desire to teach and share as you have....

Perhaps if we had all been privileged to start our hunting journey with a rifle that "Dad built", we might be better, more tolerant people, just like you.
Perhaps if we had the skills to assemble 'The Legendary 404 Jeff" from the very detritus of the Industrial Revolution, and indeed a World War, we all might be as accomplished as you are.
Perhaps if we all shared an unhealthy fixation, some might say fetish, regarding an old shotgun, we might be as well adjusted as you clearly are.

No question, I will be sorry that I've attempted to impart my meager opinions onto such a "Giant of the African Hunting Community".

Now to the OP..
In my opinion, you should practice from the sticks with a .22 rimfire. Fire a minimum of 500 rounds from the sticks, bench rest is for checking zero and ballistics. You must be training, training to shoot accurately and quickly from a platform that Americans are not often exposed to. After 500 shots, foot placement, height of the sticks, grasping the forend/stick cradle, and most importantly the sight picture while shooting from sticks will become effortless.
This is training, not practice.

Good Luck
Denvir Tire signing off
The pot calling the kettle black re drivel.

I see very little utility in shooting a lightweight .22 with a typically not-so-crisp trigger and possibly entirely different safety off shooting sticks (although admittedly I have never found a rifle with strange safety a handicap shooting off sticks - i.e. rental gun) when one plans to hunt with a much heavier rifle in both weight and recoil and probably with different sights, scope, and/or reticle.

Some folks enjoy punching paper. Fine. I do not. I also disagree with a certain gun editor's philosophy that hunters must "practice, practice, practice" in the off season. It can develop flinching, especially with heavy recoil rifles. In my opinion, a hunter only needs to spend enough time at the range to familiarize (or refamiliarize) himself with the rifle he will be using, i.e. zero it. I see no advantage in familiarizing or over-familiarizing myself with a gun I won't be using. I can certainly foresee that it could actually be detrimental.

This is not drivel. There is some sense to my thinking. You may not agree with it and that's okay. But try to keep it a clean fight.
 
While the 22 is certainly the most economical to shoot, I find it most helpful to utilize an action that matches your dg rifle.

One way to get there would be the switch barrel like R8, another would be Kimber/CZ/model 70 in a matching action - 1 in a smaller caliber (223/243/6.5/270) and another in your dg cartridge.

While hunting dg, I think it is important to be able to reload (w/o struggling)while on the move. 22lr does not load like the centerfires, so it is not helpful in that regard.

Make your practice sessions replicate potential reality.
 
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Start with a Blaser R8 and you will have the perfect practice rifle. One stock will have you sorted out from 17HMR to 500J.

For me it's a 375H&H, 300WM and 22lr (kit) that all fit on the same stock. Same trigger pull, same feel, and nearly the same weight for all three.

Others with the Blaser R8 have done similar but used a 223REM or 6.5CM along with their larger calibers. Ammo is still reasonably affordable and it gives the opportunity to use it for game up to medium sized.
 
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I see very little utility in shooting a lightweight .22 with a typically not-so-crisp trigger and possibly entirely different safety off shooting sticks ...
OP was talking about building a perfect practice rifle. For example Vudoo Gun Works will build one a .22 or a .17M2 rifle with the exact TriggerTech trigger one wishes.

I have one and love it.
 
Tikka (.22, 6.5CM or fill in the blank caliber). Accurate and also easy to detune the trigger to match big gun if needed. Or just find a used rifle in the same brand.

When first learning to shoot from the sticks, I also bought a better quality "entry level" rifle in 7.62/308 because at the time I had about 6k of good Aussie 7.62x51 surplus in stock. I now have a lot less.
 
My brother bought a full-size Ruger M77/22 as it had the same safety and feel of his Ruger .375 Magnum rifle.

I would certainly want to mimic as closely to your DG rifle. Find a Win M70 in the smaller calibers like you’re looking for. Remember, though, the muscle memory of operating that shorter bolt may cause you to short-stroke the longer .375 (not that likely, but possible).

Ed Z
 
.223 In bolt action ( tikka, ruger , win , ect ) practice shooting off sticks, off hand , off balance, ect ( if you have a place to practice besides a gun range)
Practice loading while walking , talking , standing up

A .22 is great practice but the safety and loading are usually vastly different
 

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