Gun control???

[Royal27]

 

[Scott Slough]

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....so I am to assume that this isn't about dead children and teachers...just a funny joke.

Nevermind that it specifically is designed to make fun of the failures that allowed those children and teachers to be killed.

 

[Bullthrower338]

My interpretation of this one is that the corrupt FBI(to busy covering their ass), a liberal sheriff that didn’t do his job and a panty waste deputy that was just there to draw his wages are all lacking personal accountability and blaming inanimate objects, the NRA and every law abiding citizen that chooses to own a gun.

 

[PeteG]

I find you and all those who like your joke about dead children and teachers to be abhorant.

Slow down, step back and read it for what it is rather than what you think it might mean.

 

[Royal27]

....so I am to assume that this isn't about dead children and teachers...just a funny joke.

Nevermind that it specifically is designed to make fun of the failures that allowed those children and teachers to be killed.

Again, you can chose to misinterpret however you would like.

There are two more options as well.

1. Don't visit this thread if you find it so offensive
2. Or if it is just me you find offensive, click on my profile, then click on ignore and everything I post will be hidden.

 

[tarbe]

Scott

The only thing I see being made fun of is the obvious lack of skill being exhibited during root cause analysis.

I think we all know that most here would risk their lives for children under the circumstances that gave rise to this thread.


Tim

 

[Scott Slough]

Slow down, step back and read it for what it is rather than what you think it might mean.

I could provide you the same advice. Humor is 100% context dependent...the words and images used in humor are that just words and images without context. There are two contexts here...yes there is a background context of the entire gun advocacy/control...but the MAJOR context is the Parkland shooting. The reason the Parkland shooting is the major context is it uses the words and images embedded in that event.

 

[tarbe]

I think you have that completely backwards, Scott.

 

[PeteG]

I could provide you the same advice. Humor is 100% context dependent...the words and images used in humor are that just words and images without context. There are two contexts here...yes there is a background context of the entire gun advocacy/control...but the MAJOR context is the Parkland shooting. The reason the Parkland shooting is the major context is it uses the words and images embedded in that event.

Only you have applied the parkland shooting to my comment.
You would also be hard pressed to convince me I meant something entirely different to what I did.
Perhaps take Royals advice and take leave of this thread for all our benefit.

 

[Scott Slough]

I think you have that completely backwards, Scott.

If your argument is that the overall gun debate is the major context...I understand that position...I don't agree with it...but reasonable minds CAN disagree.

But that doesn't remove the Parkland shooting as a context for humor...major or minor.

 

[Wheels]

AH has done a great job of policing itself through the years. Occasionally Jerome or Wayne may have to step in, but not very often.

Common courtesy, respect and decency seems to rule the day.

AH however, is evidently not immune from the social ills of society. A Nation that gets along pretty well gets split up by a PC movement. Identity politics further alienates us, and the next thing you know people want to be offended and start yelling about micro aggression's and trigger warnings relating to things the original speaker was not even hinting about.

Thank goodness gravity seems to have started affecting the pendulum. It is slowing or possibly even starting to retrace it's arc. Hopefully respect for others is starting to return to our society.

Here is to wishing you all a good day.

 

[Royal27]

 

[sierraone]

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Don't know who the young man is above and I don't own and have never own an AR type of weapon, but unless you are bumping me up to business from main cabin.......I don't care about travel discounts either!!!

 

[Royal27]

Don't know who the young man is above and I don't own and have never own an AR type of weapon, but unless you are bumping me up to business from main cabin.......I don't care about travel discounts either!!!

You don't know who that is???? Really????

That's @Bullthrower338 when he was younger and before he really got into guns.

 

[sierraone]

You don't know who that is???? Really????

That's @Bullthrower338 when he was younger and before he really got into guns.

Not true, most of Cody's firearms either have bolts or two barrels!!! Actually I have seen this pic before somewhere. My son knows who this is and how he made his money, maybe "got" his money. He was showing me this pic and telling me the story 2 or 3 years ago!

 

[PeteG]

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All those guns and not a rigby in sight... the youth of today... no class

 

[sierraone]

All those guns and not a rigby in sight... the youth of today... no class

Bet he has the latest most expensive phone though!

 

[PeteG]

Bet he has the latest most expensive phone though!

Yep, because it takes such amazing photos...

 

[Scott Slough]

Ok I’ve got to get in my 2 cents here when you want to protect something that is worth a lot cash, gold, or anything of high value you surround it with guns.
But when it come to our children we put them in one place and disarm all around them except those who don’t follow the law.
I am the president of my local Board of Education we are a very small district in a very rural setting we do not have the luxury of local police force we have to rely on State Police who’s station is 28 miles away our county sheriff is 38miles away.
Our average police response time is over 45 minuets and it all depends if there is a unit on the south end of the their district.
So yes I want to arm our teachers custodians and anyone else of sound mind.
Yes we are in a different setting than most schools but our kids need protection just as much as the city and town kids do.
Now as I watch tv surf the net all I see is gun control BS.
People who have armed guards at every entrance to their work place and armed details that escort them to and from work on the tax payers dime Hollywood Stars that hire bodyguards to protect them and liberals who think it’s the gun that does the killing.
Do I think school shootings are funny absolutely not but sadly the liberal answers to the problem is.
If you want to see if armed teachers make a difference check the statistics of school shootings in Israel since the armed teachers hardly any school shootings.
But taking guns away or putting up gun free zones is inviting disaster because criminals don’t obey laws that what makes them criminals.
Are we really going to take pointers on how to protect our children from a group of people who a little while back were dressed as vaginas and protesting for the right to kill unborn babies?
I would like to see their prospective but I can’t get my head up my A$$.
Shawn

As a career educator...I disagree with arming teachers...but we SHOULD be able to discuss differences of opinions. I appreciate and applaud your involvement in your local educational community and your honest attempts to protect children in your school district. I totally respect your right to a different opinion and would enjoy the opportunity to discuss my extensive reasons for my differing opinion if my child were in your district.

 

[Bullthrower338]

The concern I have isn't with gun control but competence. There is a lot of studies about effective armed response and fear. Last I read the police in the USA will hit a target in a firefight 20% of the time. The criminals have about a 12% likelihood of hitting their target. If we assume teachers will not have time to do specialist firearms training they will send lead into rooms and hallways crowded with children up to 80-88% of the time. I will be interested to see how this gap in competence will be met.

The other thing that has gotten lost with this deputy is that the US military has a lot of data on fear. Bottom line is there is no actual way to control it. Once you brain goes into self preservation mode you do not act rationally. Loads of examples of this.

So, I really question whether the deputy response was intentioanl in that sense when it has nothing to do with his training. But, also, he was probably not skilled enough to conduct a firefight in a hallway teaming with people. So I think things would have gotten messy if he tried to identify a 19 year old target in a sea of 17 year olds who were probably running around with bags and who knows what else.

From the studies whomever is carrying a weapon, and does not have active shooter training, will only provide safety in a very limited scenario. Certainly not in a complex school shooting situation. That's probably why in some 53,000 firearm incidents in 2015 only about 1300 where self defense situations. Most of the time it is better to leave it to the specialists.

A book by Dave Grossman titled On Killing covers much of what I believe you are getting at on the mind set area. Grossman used research by S.L.A. Marshall from WW2 that showed less than 50% of the soldiers were unable to fire their weapon and engage the enemy in combat due to an innate resistance to the emotional toll that killing has on a person. The US Military used this research to change their training practices to effectively raise this percentage to over 90% during the Vietnam war. He also references police involved shootings with the same procedure used. Concluding that with the decline of morals and values came less resistance to killing. Hollywood, video games and all of the other pollutants that our kids are subjected to help to break this resistance down more and more each day. Yet all of this is socially acceptable and no one is screaming to ban television or the Nintendo machine that are turning our youngsters minds into gelatin.
Moral of this story is training, if you as a person responsible for protecting the kids or anyone for that matter, owe it to them to train. Teachers have time while school is recessed to train. This is not a brown shirt mandated proclamation that all teachers give up their summers to attend **NOT**PERMITTED** it thunder ranch. Some will decide that the responsibility is to great or it just doesn’t fit their beliefs, this is fine. I don’t want some half assed trained person attempting to protect my kids either. But I bet a years wages some of the fine teachers that I know would gladly step up to the plate and give up a couple weeks(paid) to attend any number of the respected firearms training facilities that are available here.
With proper training, comes proficiency, most PD’s do not conduct effective training, case in point are the low hit percentages quoted in your post above. As hunters we spend countless hours preparing for that once in a lifetime hunt along with piles of money on our rifles, ammo and all of the associated kit to go along with it. Shooting drills are essentially repetitive training to teach your mind and body how to react instinctively when your mind goes into fight or flight mode. Properly trained, the mind and body will go into “auto pilot” and perform. The difference between the beat cop and the SWAT cop are training or lack their of. The SWAT cop that does several dynamic entry drills per week in training with his team is flawless in execution during real world scenarios whereas the beat cop is scared to death making entry. Not the beat cops fault at all, he has the right to be scared, he is not prepared for the situation.
My point to this long winded response is training needs to be at the forefront of arming anyone with responsibility for people that cannot defend themselves. I believe that those people are out there. The idea to bring back the Wild West is not the intention.