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[elkocountygun]

Yes and the patented extractor designed for this cartridge by Westley IS the same extractor used in modern production double rifles chambered in rimless or rebated rim cartridges, yet there have been issues with extraction/ejection. Also look at how few rifles were initially sold/chambered in this caliber.

There are lots of double rifles chambered in rimless and rebated rim cartridges. I believe Mike Fell used to hunt with one in .458 Win Mag before he commissioned LARM to build his current .577. He's killed a lot more dangerous game than me, as have several other PH's using similar calibers. I personally am not hunting Dangerous Game with a gun that uses an additional/specially designed mechanical part, known to randomly fail without warning in a scenario where my life and more importantly the lives of others depend on it working. High stress/high adrenaline scenarios often result in malfunctions/issues, and I'd like to avoid the possibility of adding another avoidable one. I'm also firmly in the CRF Bolt Rifle for Dangerous Game camp, and suggest one avoids a high point for CCW.

Reading just tip of ice berg on double rifles, I believed a double was fool proof…that was foolish. Thx for info.
If there is good thread here with more info on double rifles for DG I will look if someone provides link. Thx for all the knowledge shared.

 

[K E Johnson]

Anything made by man is prone to trouble. Part of the advantage of a double is you are carrying two independent firing mechanisms.

 

[elkocountygun]

Yes and the patented extractor designed for this cartridge by Westley IS the same extractor used in modern production double rifles chambered in rimless or rebated rim cartridges, yet there have been issues with extraction/ejection. Also look at how few rifles were initially sold/chambered in this caliber.

There are lots of double rifles chambered in rimless and rebated rim cartridges. I believe Mike Fell used to hunt with one in .458 Win Mag before he commissioned LARM to build his current .577. He's killed a lot more dangerous game than me, as have several other PH's using similar calibers. I personally am not hunting Dangerous Game with a gun that uses an additional/specially designed mechanical part, known to randomly fail without warning in a scenario where my life and more importantly the lives of others depend on it working. High stress/high adrenaline scenarios often result in malfunctions/issues, and I'd like to avoid the possibility of adding another avoidable one. I'm also firmly in the CRF Bolt Rifle for Dangerous Game camp, and suggest one avoids a high point for CCW.

controlled round feed like the old win. mod. 70 made before 1964, like me...
also the German Mauser this is what you refer to?

 

[ActionBob]

controlled round feed like the old win. mod. 70 made before 1964, like me...
also the German Mauser this is what you refer to?

No, those are bolt guns. And a comment was made that the 375 Flanged is a rimfire. Not true either

I assume you are a hunter and not a PH. If you like the 375 H&H cartridge, are in a limited budget but want a good quality double rifle... buy that Iphisi! That is one hell of a deal. It is probably under warrenty but if not it can be taken to JJ for any work it may need. The extractors are just fine. Very simple design. @Tom Leoni is the US representative and the man behind the concept of that gun. It is the best buy out there on a new double rifle of good quality with a stellar company behind it.

The reason it is designed for the standard belted cartridge is that ammo can be found anywhere you might want to use that rifle. And it is available in a wide array of choices. And the flanged I'd on the line of being legally powerful enough in sime countries. You will likely be hand loading or ordering custom loads for a 375 flanged.

You will have a different experience trying to find flanged ammo. A rifle in 375 flanged has become somewhat of a rare item. I'd suggest yougi with a 450/400 if you want a flanged cartridge. Although it is a substantial move up in recoil and cost.

 

[elkocountygun]

No, those are bolt guns. And a comment was made that the 375 Flanged is a rimfire. Not true either

I assume you are a hunter and not a PH. If you like the 375 H&H cartridge, are in a limited budget but want a good quality double rifle... buy that Iphisi! That is one hell of a deal. It is probably under warrenty but if not it can be taken to JJ for any work it may need. The extractors are just fine. Very simple design. @Tom Leoni is the US representative and the man behind the concept of that gun. It is the best buy out there on a new double rifle of good quality with a stellar company behind it.

The reason it is designed for the standard belted cartridge is that ammo can be found anywhere you might want to use that rifle. And it is available in a wide array of choices. And the flanged I'd on the line of being legally powerful enough in sime countries. You will likely be hand loading or ordering custom loads for a 375 flanged.

You will have a different experience trying to find flanged ammo. A rifle in 375 flanged has become somewhat of a rare item. I'd suggest yougi with a 450/400 if you want a flanged cartridge. Although it is a substantial move up in recoil and cost.

correct, the bolt guns worth having are CRF I understand to be controlled round feed. like the old win. mod. 70.
the separate actions on a double rifle, for what I have read, make more reliable for DG. I just need to get more data on caliber best for me.
correct I'm average working man on budget and back in early 1990s the .416 Rigby was the gun i would see and hear about at SCI and other huntin shows / expos. thx for the info.

 

[Mtn_Infantry]

No, those are bolt guns. And a comment was made that the 375 Flanged is a rimfire. Not true either

I assume you are a hunter and not a PH. If you like the 375 H&H cartridge, are in a limited budget but want a good quality double rifle... buy that Iphisi! That is one hell of a deal. It is probably under warrenty but if not it can be taken to JJ for any work it may need. The extractors are just fine. Very simple design. @Tom Leoni is the US representative and the man behind the concept of that gun. It is the best buy out there on a new double rifle of good quality with a stellar company behind it.

The reason it is designed for the standard belted cartridge is that ammo can be found anywhere you might want to use that rifle. And it is available in a wide array of choices. And the flanged I'd on the line of being legally powerful enough in sime countries. You will likely be hand loading or ordering custom loads for a 375 flanged.

You will have a different experience trying to find flanged ammo. A rifle in 375 flanged has become somewhat of a rare item. I'd suggest yougi with a 450/400 if you want a flanged cartridge. Although it is a substantial move up in recoil and cost.

Not sure where I said it was rimfire (if I did that was a typo). I believe I said 375 Flange was a rimmed cartridge unlike the 375 H&H which is a rimless cartridge and the lack of a rim is why extraction issues can at times creep up.

You're 100% right on the 375 Flange Ammo being extremely hard to get. Most will have to handload for it unless there's a commercial loader making some. My statement was more along the lines of caution regarding rimless cartridges in double rifles for Dangerous Game. The gun posted is an excellent price, however if the intention is to hunt Dangerous Game I'd caution someone against it. To me that's like going out in certain parts of Houston, Baltimore, Atlanta or some other city with a notoriously high crime rate, carrying an EDC without one in the chamber and only half a magazine of ammo. I 10% agree with you the 450/400 is great mild recoiling option, especially from Chapuis and provides what I'd suggest as the starting point for a DG Double from them.

@elkocountygun when I say CRF, that's exactly what I'm talking about in a bolt gun. Mauser action, Pre64 or new production Winchester M70, CZ550, Interarms/Whitfield Mark X, Brno, etc. There's nothing wrong with a Push Feed action however under duress some issues can arise that could be eliminated with a CRF type action in a bolt rifle.

 

[BGHNTR416]

My Chapuis in 375 H&H kicks out the empties just fine. I have no concerns about using it.

 

[Rare Breed]

I will not reveal the AH member given it is his story to tell. He found an incredible vintage untouched Rigby 470 NE at a steal of a price on a non US website. It reminded me when I got a Westley Richards made 500 NE from France. My point is if you want a nice Africa rifle make sure you also look outside the US given there are deals/values to be found!!!

 

[elkocountygun]

Not sure where I said it was rimfire (if I did that was a typo). I believe I said 375 Flange was a rimmed cartridge unlike the 375 H&H which is a rimless cartridge and the lack of a rim is why extraction issues can at times creep up.

You're 100% right on the 375 Flange Ammo being extremely hard to get. Most will have to handload for it unless there's a commercial loader making some. My statement was more along the lines of caution regarding rimless cartridges in double rifles for Dangerous Game. The gun posted is an excellent price, however if the intention is to hunt Dangerous Game I'd caution someone against it. To me that's like going out in certain parts of Houston, Baltimore, Atlanta or some other city with a notoriously high crime rate, carrying an EDC without one in the chamber and only half a magazine of ammo. I 10% agree with you the 450/400 is great mild recoiling option, especially from Chapuis and provides what I'd suggest as the starting point for a DG Double from them.

@elkocountygun when I say CRF, that's exactly what I'm talking about in a bolt gun. Mauser action, Pre64 or new production Winchester M70, CZ550, Interarms/Whitfield Mark X, Brno, etc. There's nothing wrong with a Push Feed action however under duress some issues can arise that could be eliminated with a CRF type action in a bolt rifle.

rimless from your info., to help me understand extraction "potential" probelms.
see picture of 45-70 government cartridge.
is what i understand correct?
opposed to next picture
standard belted magnums i have used for 45+ - years.
see picture below
what i understand is the extractor can fail on the belted magnum due to the limited space to clamp on to spent brass cartridge opposed to the larger area that can be clamped down on brass cartridge of rimless 45-70 govnmt cartridge. correct?

extractor pict is not accurate...if you have pict or know where to locate pict that be great.
also to keep this OP on track i or someone can start a post for 1st time double rifle buyers and i am limited on cash... i iknow i know....take up bowling

 

[Russ16]

rimless from your info., to help me understand extraction "potential" probelms.
see picture of 45-70 government cartridge.
is what i understand correct?
opposed to next picture
standard belted magnums i have used for 45+ - years.
see picture below
what i understand is the extractor can fail on the belted magnum due to the limited space to clamp on to spent brass cartridge opposed to the larger area that can be clamped down on brass cartridge of rimless 45-70 govnmt cartridge. correct?

extractor pict is not accurate...if you have pict or know where to locate pict that be great.
also to keep this OP on track i or someone can start a post for 1st time double rifle buyers and i am limited on cash... i iknow i know....take up bowling

The 45-70 is a rimmed cartridge that’s why it works better with single or double rifle ejectors. There is a rim to grab onto. Think bout a shotgun shell and the rim on that that a double shotgun ejector grabs.

 

[Mtn_Infantry]

rimless from your info., to help me understand extraction "potential" probelms.
see picture of 45-70 government cartridge.
is what i understand correct?
opposed to next picture
standard belted magnums i have used for 45+ - years.
see picture below
what i understand is the extractor can fail on the belted magnum due to the limited space to clamp on to spent brass cartridge opposed to the larger area that can be clamped down on brass cartridge of rimless 45-70 govnmt cartridge. correct?

extractor pict is not accurate...if you have pict or know where to locate pict that be great.
also to keep this OP on track i or someone can start a post for 1st time double rifle buyers and i am limited on cash... i iknow i know....take up bowling

45-70 is a rimmed cartridge. There are doubles in 45-70

This is going to overly simplify it and isn’t 100% accurate but think about a revolver or shotgun. You have a rim that sits on the back preventing the cartridge from dropping forward and further into the chamber, but also providing something for the extractor to take hold of. Think about some of the most common revolver calibers 38spc, 357mag, 44spl, 44mag, etc they all rimmed. You can get revolvers in non rimmed cartridges but you’ll normally need something like a moon clip to hold the rounds. Not 100% accurate but trying to think of some examples that might make sense for firearms you own or have experience with