First Trip To Africa

[Morga]

I really wish to thank you all for the wonderful advice , looking into the Courtney Boots, I found out that under current laws I would not be able to travel with the suppressor on the 300 Winchester mag outside of the U.S. , but that leaves me with dealing with the recoil and would most likely put the Muzzle break on it. As I use Electronic Ear Protection. But I have heard Muzzle breaks are universally despised on such hunts. Just trying to stay within my comfort zone.

The Rifle I use has cap protectors fpor the threads if not using a Compensator or Muzzle Break.

I should add that I am disabled but I have let the Guide service know this and my limitations are clear but I will as ever do my best .

 

[sestoppelman]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/856973502 Believe the OP is looking for this.....

 

[Tanks]

... I found out that under current laws I would not be able to travel with the suppressor on the 300 Winchester mag outside of the U.S. , but that leaves me with dealing with the recoil and would most likely put the Muzzle break on it...

How about this instead:
https://shockeater.com/product/shockeater-recoil-pad/

They sell a multitude of shirts for it to place it in as well.

 

[Ryan]

I really wish to thank you all for the wonderful advice , looking into the Courtney Boots, I found out that under current laws I would not be able to travel with the suppressor on the 300 Winchester mag outside of the U.S. , but that leaves me with dealing with the recoil and would most likely put the Muzzle break on it. As I use Electronic Ear Protection. But I have heard Muzzle breaks are universally despised on such hunts. Just trying to stay within my comfort zone.

I should add that this will be a challenge for me in some ways , I am Disabled with limited mobility but this hunt I am sure will be the challenge I wish to rise to. Again welcome further advice.

South Africa doesn't have any issues with suppressors. Heck, they like them. So talk with Customs here and make sure you have documentation lined up to prove it's yours to get it back in country. Others around here have done that. But perhaps things have changed. The issue of muzzle brakes has gotten heated around here. The wisest thing I can say is talk to your outfitter and PH about it. They may say no, they may not. It's a plains game hunt, so often times they will be behind you, not next to you when you shoot and avoid the blast. Or have enough time to plug their ears.

 

[M McDindi]

Don't count out using a can there. IF I remember the RSA Firearm Ordinance and it hasn't changed since I did the PH School in KZN in 2011, you can purchase suppressors over the counter at pretty much any gunshop for a couple hundred USD. When your done, just leave it with your PH as a tip.

Since your not going until 2021, I'm pretty sure your PH would be very happy to visit some of his local shops and get you a list of brands and styles they carry and you can look them up on-line. Just have to give him the pitch and thread count on your barrel's threading.

I've got two that I picked up in Namibia for .30 rifles and just leave them there with my friend for when we go over culling. I think they cost me something like $200 US each.

If you have to use a muzzle brake, by all means do so. While they are not necessarily "preferred", they can be worked with. Everyone just needs to take a little extra care be well behind the shooter.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I really wish to thank you all for the wonderful advice , looking into the Courtney Boots, I found out that under current laws I would not be able to travel with the suppressor on the 300 Winchester mag outside of the U.S. , but that leaves me with dealing with the recoil and would most likely put the Muzzle break on it. As I use Electronic Ear Protection. But I have heard Muzzle breaks are universally despised on such hunts. Just trying to stay within my comfort zone.

The Rifle I use has cap protectors fpor the threads if not using a Compensator or Muzzle Break.

I should add that I am disabled but I have let the Guide service know this and my limitations are clear but I will as ever do my best .

Morga
I notified my trip organiser and the property owner/PH of my limitations and the need of a muzzle brake and had no issues because of the advanced comunication.
Cheers mate Bob

 

[Art Lambart II]

@Morga welcome to AH but before you buy that 9.3x62 I would like to recommend the American equivalent and my favorite cartridge the 35 Whelen. Anything you can hunt with a 9.3x62 you can hunt with a Whelen and the ammo is much easier to find here in the US. A 300 WM using a 200 grain bullet is 2800 FPS at the muzzle, the Whelen using a 225 grain bullet is 2750 at the muzzle and guess which one kicks more, the 300 WM. Check out the 35 Whelen you wont be sorry.

 

[Tgood1]

As I'm rather ignorant about the 9.3x62 I've used a slightly customized. 35 whelen pump for years, I never knew the similarities. Thanks mr Lambert

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

@Morga welcome to AH but before you buy that 9.3x62 I would like to recommend the American equivalent and my favorite cartridge the 35 Whelen. Anything you can hunt with a 9.3x62 you can hunt with a Whelen and the ammo is much easier to find here in the US. A 300 WM using a 200 grain bullet is 2800 FPS at the muzzle, the Whelen using a 225 grain bullet is 2750 at the muzzle and guess which one kicks more, the 300 WM. Check out the 35 Whelen you wont be sorry.

Art Lambert 11
When are you going to listen to your dad and load the Whelen properly with the 225s doing 2,850 to 2,950 fps or the 250s at 2,700 fps. These velocities put the Whelen over the 4,000 fpe of muzzle energy.
There's no flies on a35 cal 225 accubond at 2,850 fps, turns the Whelen into a 400 yard rifle if you can shoot that well.
Cheers mate Bob

 

[Tgood1]

Morgan
Now u can see why this is he best site on the internet. Enjoy

 

[M McDindi]

Morga. PLEASE don't worry about whatever your disability is, seriously. Every PH worth his salt, which is 99% will sort out a way, method and style of hunt that YOU can accomplish!

My friend in Namibia, had a client a few years ago with an artificial leg from the knee down. He wanted to be challenged and was able to follow Jan most of the time. Sometimes he just had to go a little slower and had to wait at the bottoms of a few of the worst kopjes while Jan scrambled up like a klipspringer to take a quick peak over into the valley beyond.

For what's on your list, you'd be fine with even a 308Win with 150gr TSX at 2950fps. That combination will do broadside pass through on mountain zebra at 200m and will likely stop under the off-side skin of an eland at 200m if it doesn't pass through completely. It will make it to and through the vitals.

Again, don't worry for a second about whatever your issue is. Let your PH know ahead what your limits are so they can "make a plan". You'll have a great time!!

 

[Art Lambart II]

Art Lambert 11
When are you going to listen to your dad and load the Whelen properly with the 225s doing 2,850 to 2,950 fps or the 250s at 2,700 fps. These velocities put the Whelen over the 4,000 fpe of muzzle energy.
There's no flies on a35 cal 225 accubond at 2,850 fps, turns the Whelen into a 400 yard rifle if you can shoot that well.
Cheers mate Bob

Bob, I have not done a lot of reloading since 95 when I moved to Kansas City, between then and now I have used a reloading service, maybe you have heard of it, its called "Dads Reloading Service". I know you and Dad have been discussing loads for the Whelen for some time now and I'll shoot some of those smoking 225 grain loads as as he makes some.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Bob, I have not done a lot of reloading since 95 when I moved to Kansas City, between then and now I have used a reloading service, maybe you have heard of it, its called "Dads Reloading Service". I know you and Dad have been discussing loads for the Whelen for some time now and I'll shoot some of those smoking 225 grain loads as as he makes some.

Art Lambert 11
Yes I've heard of DRS great company. My son uses the same services in Australia.
Ha ha ha ha
Cheers mate Bob

 

[Morga]

Well I will give a more detailed reason for wanting the 9.3x62 mauser, is one of my ancestors before coming to the US lived in the RSA, in Natal and w as involved in the Boer wars, I don't believe it can be fired but I have his Mauser rifle still it hangs above the mantle in my home. There is a picture of him with 2 Cape Buffalo he shot with it. I do not plan on going for DG, but I sort of just wanted to have a Mauser in that caliber.
I have heard and seen what a 35 Whelen can do as well, I chose the 9.3x62 Because it had slightly better range performance, the ammo choices for the gun in question I was looking at are made by Norma Eco Strike or Kalahari, Nolser Thophy Grade and one round in particular by Double Tap.

http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=653&search=9.3x62

 

[M McDindi]

Morga - any reason to add a rifle is a good reason and the reason you give is even better. I've shot a 300WM in a Remington Sendero a few times but I can't give a direct back to back comparison to a full up 9.3x62 like I can between a Ruger 77 30-06 with the red pad and a Ruger 77 in 9.3x62 with a red pad. I've got both and frequently take them both to the range and shoot/swap them back and forth letting the barrels stay cool.

The 9.3x62 does have a noticeable increase in felt recoil both in the "shove" but mostly in the "quickness/sharpness/snappiness" of the recoil. You definitely notice it. There is about the same step up in felt recoil between the 9.3x62 and the 375 Ruger I have in the Ruger 77 Alaskans I have. The slight difference between these two is the 375 has a harder push, but not the quickness/sharpness/snappiness of the 9.3x62. Then too, the 375 Rugers have the Hogue synthetic stocks with a pretty thick/soft recoil pad.

There has to be someone at your local range that has a 9.3x62 that you can actually try and shoot before you purchase one. Hell, if you can make a trip to Tampa, and bring your 300WM, I'll take you for a morning and you can try them back to back to back.

Michael

 

[BeeMaa]

Take your brake and suppressor to South Africa, they are legal.
And it is legal for you to travel with them to there and back.
You will have to jump through a few more paperwork hoops, but it will be fine.

If you only want to take the brake, that shouldn't be a problem either.
Inform your PH of your limitations (or disability as you say) ahead of time.
Open lines of communication is what it's about.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Morga - any reason to add a rifle is a good reason and the reason you give is even better. I've shot a 300WM in a Remington Sendero a few times but I can't give a direct back to back comparison to a full up 9.3x62 like I can between a Ruger 77 30-06 with the red pad and a Ruger 77 in 9.3x62 with a red pad. I've got both and frequently take them both to the range and shoot/swap them back and forth letting the barrels stay cool.

The 9.3x62 does have a noticeable increase in felt recoil both in the "shove" but mostly in the "quickness/sharpness/snappiness" of the recoil. You definitely notice it. There is about the same step up in felt recoil between the 9.3x62 and the 375 Ruger I have in the Ruger 77 Alaskans I have. The slight difference between these two is the 375 has a harder push, but not the quickness/sharpness/snappiness of the 9.3x62. Then too, the 375 Rugers have the Hogue synthetic stocks with a pretty thick/soft recoil pad.

There has to be someone at your local range that has a 9.3x62 that you can actually try and shoot before you purchase one. Hell, if you can make a trip to Tampa, and bring your 300WM, I'll take you for a morning and you can try them back to back to back.

Michael

M McDindi
I actually find the kick on my stoutly loaded Whelen (a 250 grain @ 2,700fps) not as bad as the 300 win mag. More of a big push without the sharp come back. Each person. Is different tho.
Cheer Michael
Bob Nelson

 

[Morga]

Will be taking the Muzzle Break then most likely as a personal choice , the type I use makes the 300 WM rifle feel like a 243 , when the custom stock is done will help even further, will have a Pachmyer recoil pad to be made from Bastogne Walnut a cross between Claro and English Walnut and known to be , pretty tough stuff. Will be made through a company called Red Desert Rifles. Take a look at there link. Chad has awesome skills. Still will definitely be getting that 9.3x62 eventually.

https://reddesertrifles.com/

Cecil Fredi avid big game hunter, has some of the best wood blanks for making custom stocks. Maple , Myrtle , Walnut he will help you find what your looking for.

https://www.gunstockblanks.com/

Just tell them Sean sent you to look.

The wood my stock will be made from second one from the top. 700 19 Blank.

 

[M McDindi]

Morga - for someone with a disability, you still seemed to be able to get "good wood"!

Sorry, still waiting for my coffee to finish!!

 

[Morga]

Good one and yes I am making coffee to , but I am sure you have heard the old phrase, Hunters make better lovers, they go deeper into the bush , shoot often and eat what they shoot.

If this offends anyone it is my poor sense fo humor.