Feral cats in Australia

While I understand the importance of proper species management, some of the comments have been quite distasteful, and that is all I shall say on the topic.
 
While I understand the importance of proper species management, some of the comments have been quite distasteful, and that is all I shall say on the topic.
 
No comment left blank as above was all that ws al that was required @Saul

I apologise for using the word Shit in post #117 ,
This has been a very informative post and mostly decent posts by hunters who have a genuine dislike for Feral Cats and the damage they do to wildlife. If a cat happens to be hit with a high power hunting rife and dispatched quickly it is still dead and so long s there is no animal cruelty involved lets leave it be.
Sorry the conversation went to shit.
Can we get that Crappy Coffee in Australia? Like as in cafe made by the cup ?
 
We got this big fat feral cat on the edge of the Simpson Desert in central Australia.
He was wandering around the edge of a dried water course on a 240,000 acre cattle property.
Saw plenty of dead bird remains around the area. They are devastating on local wild life.
Sako .22lr was his demise.

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Some of us say distasteful things about feral cats because we abhor the environmental destruction they wreak and the ecological disaster they present. The figure of seventy-million native birds killed annually in Australia by feral cats springs to mind, a figure which I dislike immensely. I regret not killing more feral cats.
 
No I use the 270 for deer and 416 Rem for buff/scrub bulls.
A 270/416 would be a hell of a cartridge. Barrel life 400-600 shots I guess.
Maybe someone would like to experiment with that???
 
We got this big fat feral cat on the edge of the Simpson Desert in central Australia.
He was wandering around the edge of a dried water course on a 240,000 acre cattle property.
Saw plenty of dead bird remains around the area. They are devastating on local wild life.
Sako .22lr was his demise.

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G'day Geoff

I can't believe how good a condition that cat in, you wouldn't believe that it was out of the Simpson Desert. It just proves it has been eating well. Great photo, thanks for sharing.

Regards
Rob
 
Living in the north it always astounded me going down to the Simpson in its worst times and best times and seeing the incredible size and condition of the brumbies, dogs and donkeys down there when compared to those up here in the tropical savanna country. Ours are smaller, shabbier and skinnier by comparison. I never managed to get a cat in the Simpson, but from everything I’ve heard our deserts produce some of the biggest specimens of this vermin.
 
No I use the 270 for deer and 416 Rem for buff/scrub bulls.
A 270/416 would be a hell of a cartridge. Barrel life 400-600 shots I guess.
Maybe someone would like to experiment with that???

You have a great combination there Dr Ray, I have a similar idea, but have the .270's parent, the old .30/06 and a .416 Rigby :)

All of the cartridges mentioned, and more are good at putting cats down with one shot, though I do recall hitting a poor cat with my Ruger .44 Rem Magnum, the cat was totally dead after that, but it still ran a fair way before realizing it was dead, I honestly felt so sorry for it. The bullet took it in the chest and tore/traveled right through all it's vitals and out it's rear. It was totally gutted, but it still ran. I suppose getting away was the last thing on it's mind!

God, they are a tough animal. In all honesty, I do have a lot of respect for cats, I really like them, but, yes, they are also the ultimate killing machine, and should not be released into the wild, as they have a hell of an appetite for all manner of helpless native wildlife. One of my pet cats used to bring small copperhead snakes back to me to show how good a hunter he was. Yes, Australian copper head snakes are poisonous, and I have been told the American copperheads are poisonous too, different species but have the same thing in common.

During my teen years, the first animal that I ever shot and killed was a big black short-haired Tom. A one shot kill through the heart, in the dark whilst hanging out my bedroom window. I was using my first ever rifle a Czech made Slavia 620, .177 air rifle (break open action). To this day I don't know how I could have seen my open sight, let alone against a black cat, in the dark. Of course the cat leapt in the air and jumped the neighbors fence and died as it hit the ground. I honestly thought I had wounded it, until the next morning when my neighbors kids knocked on my door and asked if it was our cat which lay dead in their backyard.

If I have had to shoot cats in my yard, it was always due to them being stray Toms which were injuring my pet cats, and/or preventing my cats from feeding. I must admit, I did get good at stalking them in bare feet. After a period I started to feel sorry for the strays, it was getting too easy, and I didn't feel like digging more holes in the dark to to bury them. There was one little stray girl cat, who fiercely attacked and bluffed my cats after I fed them. So I decided to just give her a scare, and sneaked up on her when her head was in the bowl feeding. I grabbed the back of her neck with my right hand, stupidly thinking that she wouldn't get me from that angle, but boy, did she prove me wrong :(

Somehow she twisted her whole body around and dug all 4 paws into my lower arm, her rear legs ripping in to me and downwards, like a leopard. During this fierce display I was in shock, a real novice, as I slightly released the pressure from her neck, and then her head cam around and she started biting into my hand and fingers. I yelled out in horror when all I could see was blood and meat, so my instant reaction was to rip her off and throw her a mile. She never did come back again. As for me, I called my for my mother, who went pale at the appearance of my fingers, but, after rinsing all the blood away, the meat was not the flesh from my fingers, it was cat food stuck on my fingers, together with my oozing blood, it was only a flesh wound. :ROFLMAO: I still had to treat the deep bite marks and scratches, but I will not be doing that again.

By the way, if you just want to scare a cat off without giving it a major injury, I found that Chicken Layers Pellets from farms produce stores are the perfect fit for a .177 calibre air rifle. The pellet will break up on a cats skin, to leave a bit of a welt, which is better than killing it, especially if the cat may belong to your neighbors.


Regards
Rob
 
Becoming a huge problem in the Netherlands, but as usual we cannot do anything about them...

We can, but it´s not an easy task. City people get very upset about hunters shooting feral cats and it´s the city people that reign. I´ve shot loads of feral cats and I will continue to do so, but you have to be very careful...and alone.
 
Feral cats have no instinct telling them to limit destruction of a covey of quail. A fox would only take so many, leaving some to repopulate, but a cat will come back until they are finished. They also raid the roosts at night when other birds are night blind. I wonder if it is possible to call them in with various predator calls? I only shoot them opportunistically.
 
I have read that the demise of game birds in Europe is directly attributed to feral cats...anyone know?
 
Whilst shooting may be our preferred option for cats, cage traps will be more productive.

Obviously they are then killed, not rehomed, released Yada, Yada.
 
Whilst shooting may be our preferred option for cats, cage traps will be more productive.

Obviously they are then killed, not rehomed, released Yada, Yada.

G'day newby,

An uncle of mine in Australia caught a troublesome cat in a cat cage in his backyard, and for once in his life he felt sorry for it, but he didn't want it to come back if he released it, so he decided to teach it a lesson, in order for it to not return. He put his garden hose full blast on the spitting growling piece of fury. It was totally sodden before he opened the trap, only to see it flash off over the fence in less than a second. Problem was that this cat did not learn from the experience, it returned in a few days to cause trouble again. It's amazing how a single bullet resolved the issue.

Regards

Rob
 
Two publications for those interested. There are a lot of other articles out there that disagree with these ones, but these are just some food for thought.

https://www.animallaw.info/article/detailed-discussion-feral-cat-population-control

https://www.frontiersin.org/article...ame=Frontiers_in_Veterinary_Science&id=433654

I waded through both those, thank you.

The first one is irrelevant to Australia. The theoretical modelling exercises of the second one are irrelevant to anywhere.

It works like this : Cats kill a a massive number of vulnerable small mammals in Australia. Along with the red fox, cats have contributed heavily to the extinction of several species of these small mammals, plus countless reptiles.

This is known not because some one spent their funding playing with computer models trying to avoid bloodshed, but because researchers checked stomach contents of many, many feral cats. (Personally I think checking the stomach contents of non feral cats would also prove informative)

If we cut through the academic theory and the sentiment that for some reason cat number needn't be managed lethally, two very simple facts drive appropriate action :

1/ Cats kill a vast number of wildlife which, particularly in Aus., are very susceptible to such a predator. Cats are widespread and numerous. The populations of the prey of the cats are not in balance with the cat and cannot survive the pressure

2/ A dead cat can't breed and can't kill anything.
 

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