Express .450 NE

[Kolekcjoner]

Czy nowy jest lepszy?

 

[Kolekcjoner]

Czy karabin jest w Polsce?

POLSKA; Jastarnia

 

[Kolekcjoner]

W Austrii są i były niedźwiedzie.

 

[Kolekcjoner]

W Polsce są są żubry i niedźwiedzie

 

[Kolekcjoner]

 

[Kolekcjoner]

 

[Kolekcjoner]

 

[Kolekcjoner]

A to dzik w Polsce >

 

[Kolekcjoner]

 

[Kolekcjoner]

Będzie aktualizowany inicjał właściciela:

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Inicjały wielkości 15mm x 15mm , wyświetliły się na całą stronę. Nie wiem jak to zmienić.

 

[PerH]

.450 Bpe was one of of most used In double and single shot rifles In Europe among the ones that wanted something more . Good on driven hunts . Even Husqvarna made .450 rifles and some built here also . Nansen had a .450 chamber loader that went on to inspiration of his build of a .45-90 Krag later on .

Huge red deer in heat , bear , Moose in East Prussia it was a population of there . Wild boar that could be huge also, Visent is one other also , as in AH the areas one could travel to was lot of various game to encounter

 

[85lc]

Yeah I translated that and figured there might be some misunderstanding about smokeless-for-black in a BPE versus the much later (and slightly longer-cased) NE, so I decided to try the main text too.

Kinda wonder what Herr Szegedy was going for with this rifle of his a century ago, though. Boar, I expect, and deer would be right for an upstanding gentleman of the Empire. Maybe if he was adventurous mountain sheep, lynx, maybe even bear? Were there bears in Austria-Hungary back then?

Thanks for the translation. Very helpful.

 

[Kolekcjoner]

Pewnie jechał z Cesarzem na safari

 

[rookhawk]

Czy nowy jest lepszy?
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Was trying to be polite, but you asked a question, so I will reply.

Yes, a gun manufactured on a piinless sidelock ejector by Holland & Holland, and retailed by Holland & Holland, in a large-bore nitro caliber, of a hammerless design is not just better. Its not just much better. Its not 10x better. It is 20x better.

You have a hammer double rifle built for 450 Black Powder Express, designed and dimensioned for a low pressure black powder load. It has been reworked heavily. It is a hammer gun design. The hammers were cut down to allow for a modern optic. It doesn't have stalking safeties. The original barrels lack all their proof marks, making it a gun that cannot be exported from Europe without going back to the CIP proof house for re-proof first. When or if it goes to the CIP proof house, it will potentially have a cracked stock because it cannot be fired as an action only, and a 450NE 1.5x pressure load will snap the gun in half like a twig. There are no 450NE proof marks from a CIP proof house already, so its a real long shot if they will take it to proof. Then the 9.3x74r barrels are after market and and of unknown origin.

On both sets of barrels, they are shoe-lump design, which makes them worth $90,000 less than a chopper lump set of barrels on the H&H example you're using for comparison. Then there is a comparison of a Ferlach Austrian made Springer rifle versus a London Best double rifle of a larger caliber. The finest, best grade Ferlach rifles ever offered barely achieve 1/3rd the price of a London H&H rifle.

I apologize if I'm stepping out of line by stating these things on your ad, but you asked if a new one is better and compared a rifle worth 1/20th the price suggesting that is your relative comparison.

The cost to proof the subject rifle so it can be exported from Europe, plus the cost of permits, export, and import to the USA would exceed the total value of the rifle. Not meaning to be negative, but whatever the rifle is believed to be worth, it will never ever sell in the USA even if offered free, with the buyer covering all expenses to get it delivered to the USA legally.

 

[WebleyGreene455]

Was trying to be polite, but you asked a question, so I will reply.

Yes, a gun manufactured on a piinless sidelock ejector by Holland & Holland, and retailed by Holland & Holland, in a large-bore nitro caliber, of a hammerless design is not just better. Its not just much better. Its not 10x better. It is 20x better.

You have a hammer double rifle built for 450 Black Powder Express, designed and dimensioned for a low pressure black powder load. It has been reworked heavily. It is a hammer gun design. The hammers were cut down to allow for a modern optic. It doesn't have stalking safeties. The original barrels lack all their proof marks, making it a gun that cannot be exported from Europe without going back to the CIP proof house for re-proof first. When or if it goes to the CIP proof house, it will potentially have a cracked stock because it cannot be fired as an action only, and a 450NE 1.5x pressure load will snap the gun in half like a twig. There are no 450NE proof marks from a CIP proof house already, so its a real long shot if they will take it to proof. Then the 9.3x74r barrels are after market and and of unknown origin.

On both sets of barrels, they are shoe-lump design, which makes them worth $90,000 less than a chopper lump set of barrels on the H&H example you're using for comparison. Then there is a comparison of a Ferlach Austrian made Springer rifle versus a London Best double rifle of a larger caliber. The finest, best grade Ferlach rifles ever offered barely achieve 1/3rd the price of a London H&H rifle.

I apologize if I'm stepping out of line by stating these things on your ad, but you asked if a new one is better and compared a rifle worth 1/20th the price suggesting that is your relative comparison.

The cost to proof the subject rifle so it can be exported from Europe, plus the cost of permits, export, and import to the USA would exceed the total value of the rifle. Not meaning to be negative, but whatever the rifle is believed to be worth, it will never ever sell in the USA even if offered free, with the buyer covering all expenses to get it delivered to the USA legally.

Once I saw the GunsInternational listing I decided to give this post a slight berth 'cause I think rather than SELLING a rifle, OP wants to BUY one? Maybe? But I'm a bit bamboozled, in all honesty, when he'd suddenly post a $100KUSD rifle ad and ask if it was better.

I have no idea how buying a rifle in the United States and getting it to Poland would go, especially since if you send emails to an American seller in Polish they're probably going to chuck them straight in the trash. Exporting firearms is a hassle by itself, never mind language barriers.

If a .450 Nitro is the coveted calibre (which I can understand), it might be easier to try looking for a single-shot or for something a bit less elaborate. Perhaps auctions in the UK and continental Europe, or if one has the money to drop thousands on it, I'm sure there are gunmakers in Europe who can be contacted. If something less powerful but still capable of a variety of game is acceptable, then auctions and certain specialty dealers overseas are most likely available, plus I'm guessing companies like Pedersoli sell their products in Europe as well. With some work, an Italian High-Wall or a surplus Danish rolling-block can be a fairly reasonable hunting rifle, at least in Europe and depending on the calibre in Africa too.

Likewise, I apologize if I'm misunderstanding, but I want to be helpful if I can!

~~W.G.455

 

[rookhawk]

Once I saw the GunsInternational listing I decided to give this post a slight berth 'cause I think rather than SELLING a rifle, OP wants to BUY one? Maybe? But I'm a bit bamboozled, in all honesty, when he'd suddenly post a $100KUSD rifle ad and ask if it was better.

I have no idea how buying a rifle in the United States and getting it to Poland would go, especially since if you send emails to an American seller in Polish they're probably going to chuck them straight in the trash. Exporting firearms is a hassle by itself, never mind language barriers.

If a .450 Nitro is the coveted calibre (which I can understand), it might be easier to try looking for a single-shot or for something a bit less elaborate. Perhaps auctions in the UK and continental Europe, or if one has the money to drop thousands on it, I'm sure there are gunmakers in Europe who can be contacted. If something less powerful but still capable of a variety of game is acceptable, then auctions and certain specialty dealers overseas are most likely available, plus I'm guessing companies like Pedersoli sell their products in Europe as well. With some work, an Italian High-Wall or a surplus Danish rolling-block can be a fairly reasonable hunting rifle, at least in Europe and depending on the calibre in Africa too.

Likewise, I apologize if I'm misunderstanding, but I want to be helpful if I can!

~~W.G.455

You misunderstand. This rifle, residing in Poland, is being offered for sale on this forum for 30,000 $ (whatever that means, unsure if that's US Dollars or Polish currency in which case its $7150 US dollars exchange rate)

The seller is comparing it to a London Best H&H in 470NE, sidelock ejector, asking if a new one for $100,000 US Dollars is better than the gun he has offered for sale at either $30,000 or $7,150, depending on how we interpret his currency notation.

 

[WebleyGreene455]

You misunderstand. This rifle, residing in Poland, is being offered for sale on this forum for 30,000 $ (whatever that means, unsure if that's US Dollars or Polish currency in which case its $7150 US dollars exchange rate)

The seller is comparing it to a London Best H&H in 470NE, sidelock ejector, asking if a new one for $100,000 US Dollars is better than the gun he has offered for sale at either $30,000 or $7,150, depending on how we interpret his currency notation.

Ah my mistake, then. Like I said, language barriers are a devil. Here's hoping it all works out somehow or another, although I agree that getting it out of Poland would be most difficult and probably not worth it for a buyer outside of Europe.

 

[Kolekcjoner]

Wartość jest abstrakcją. Np. W muzeum leży kamienna siekiera, która ma 5000 lat. Cena 1 000 000 USD. W sklepie leży nowa siekiera. Cena 20 dolarów. Co jest cenniejsze? Dla drwala jest ta za 20 USD.
Identycznie jest z moim Expresem .450 NE, który ma historię i jest potwierdzonym oryginałem a wspaniałym, nowym i pięknym express HH .470 NE za 100 000 USD.
dodatkowo nowy HH .470 NE poza sklepem, trać 50% wartości. Cena mojego expressu będzie ciągle rosła.

 

[Kolekcjoner]

Z lufami .450 NE nigdy nie polowałem. Lufy są do ołowiu. Około 10 lat temu, zleciłem wykonanie luf do polskich warunków. Nowe lufy 9,3 x 74 R są wspaniałe i wykonane przez bardzo dobrego rusznikarza w Polsce. Na 100 m, kula w kulę.
Inny komplet luf, w innym kalibrze, można zamówić w Polsce, za ok. 5000 dolarów.
Na grube i dalekie DZIKI, mam Heym SR30 8 x 68 S.

 

[Kolekcjoner]

Można eksportować z polskiego legalnie. Np. Karabin jako express 9,3x74R i osobno lufy .450 NE czarny proch (z 1884r), który w Polsce legalnie daje Pocztę Polską.
Jeżeli jest problem ze znakami pobierczymi, których nie było w 1884 roku.