Enter the Universe of Double Rifles & Firearms from Verney-Carron

[Red Leg]

Any feedback on this rifle and performance?

Thus far, all the factory ammunition I have tried have fired patterns rather than groups . I'll send it off to try and have a load worked up. Most discouraging thing is that I haven't found anything that the individual barrels like either. 2 MOA from each barrel is pretty much the best I have managed (and six - inches apart at 100 meters).

 

[CAustin]

Thus far, all the factory ammunition I have tried have fired patterns rather than groups . I'll send it off to try and have a load worked up. Most discouraging thing is that I haven't found anything that the individual barrels like either. 2 MOA from each barrel is pretty much the best I have managed (and six - inches apart at 100 meters).

well that is disappointing to hear. I am sure you paid a pretty penny for the rifle and it doesn’t group.

 

[Art Lambart II]

Thus far, all the factory ammunition I have tried have fired patterns rather than groups . I'll send it off to try and have a load worked up. Most discouraging thing is that I haven't found anything that the individual barrels like either. 2 MOA from each barrel is pretty much the best I have managed (and six - inches apart at 100 meters).

I really like the VC O/U double rifle, it is on my short list of guns I'd like to own. I hope you can get the accuracy issue worked out, please keep us updated.

 

[IvW]

Thus far, all the factory ammunition I have tried have fired patterns rather than groups . I'll send it off to try and have a load worked up. Most discouraging thing is that I haven't found anything that the individual barrels like either. 2 MOA from each barrel is pretty much the best I have managed (and six - inches apart at 100 meters).

oh no...

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

A beautiful rifle were you able to find out what ammunition the factory regulates with? Did it come with a proof target?

 

[HWL]

Thus far, all the factory ammunition I have tried have fired patterns rather than groups . I'll send it off to try and have a load worked up. Most discouraging thing is that I haven't found anything that the individual barrels like either. 2 MOA from each barrel is pretty much the best I have managed (and six - inches apart at 100 meters).

Now you need a gunsmith...

Did'nt you want to visit Germany again, long since?




HWL

 

[Red Leg]

Now you need a gunsmith...View attachment 324273 View attachment 324274

Did'nt you want to visit Germany again, long since?




HWL

When you first posted pictures, I sent them to several double gun experts/gunsmiths in this country and none knew about it. I could probably ship just the barrels to a German smith without all the export import nonsense.

 

[HWL]

I could probably ship just the barrels to a German smith without all the export import nonsense.

They need the complete gun with scope!, to regulate and zero it.

You can choose the ammunition you want, including your reloads.


HWL

 

[BeeMaa]

Now you need a gunsmith...

When you first posted pictures, I sent them to several double gun experts/gunsmiths in this country and none knew about it. I could probably ship just the barrels to a German smith without all the export import nonsense.

No offense intended @HWL, but it is my opinion that he does not need a gunsmith.
This is a BRAND NEW rifle.
For the price paid for a VC double and the reputation they have, it should group with factory ammo.
If not, VC should be the ones taking charge of the corrections needed at no additional cost to @Red Leg.

I'm not saying VC doesn't make best quality stuff, I know they do.
However, when one slips by the goalie...it's time for them to do the right thing.

 

[HWL]

No offense intended @HWL, but it is my opinion that he does not need a gunsmith.
This is a BRAND NEW rifle.
For the price paid for a VC double and the reputation they have, it should group with factory ammo.
If not, VC should be the ones taking charge of the corrections needed at no additional cost to @Red Leg.

I am completely with you…..

HWL

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

I totally agree with BeeMau. Please I do not mean to offend you but have you eliminated yourself from the equation? Has someone else who is use to doubles tried shooting the rifle? Possibly in this thread you described how you are shooting the rifle. Off hand, sticks, bench? If you are familiar with Wrights book "shooting the British double rifle" it shows a stand up shooting bench for double rifle. When I use to have to work up a load I built one of those benches and it worked much better than sticks or off hand.

We have a repeat client who shoots a VC over under .450-.400 and it shoots and he shoots 100%

 

[Red Leg]

I totally agree with BeeMau. Please I do not mean to offend you but have you eliminated yourself from the equation? Has someone else who is use to doubles tried shooting the rifle? Possibly in this thread you described how you are shooting the rifle. Off hand, sticks, bench? If you are familiar with Wrights book "shooting the British double rifle" it shows a stand up shooting bench for double rifle. When I use to have to work up a load I built one of those benches and it worked much better than sticks or off hand.

We have a repeat client who shoots a VC over under .450-.400 and it shoots and he shoots 100%

I currently own several double rifles and have been shooting them since the late eighties. My best rifles shoot composite 2.5” four-shot LxR/LxR groups at 100 meters. With my S2 I have killed buffalo very close, a waterbuck at well over 200 meters, and lots of stuff between. Yes, I know how to shoot one and sight it in properly. To date, I have not found a factory load that is remotely regulated which makes sighting in a non-starter.

The factory target showed two holes side x side Almost 3 inches apart at 50 meters. With an OU rifle, that would guarantee pretty ugly dispersion at 100 meters even with the actual regulating load. A 9.3x74R is not a stopping rifle. It should take game cleanly out to 150 meters. I have two other 9.3’s (side x sides no less) that will do that easily (and both built before WWII.)

I don’t mess with reloading any longer, but I have a good friend who does it for a living, including deciphering double rifle loads. He’ll get a try at it next.

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

Please I met to offense, I know that when I have a problem I try to take everything especially the human factor out of the equation. Like you, I have been shooting a double since the early 80s. I have always considered myself a good shot with a double, but for some reason I cannot shoot my wife's .450-400 Heym well? She shoots it excellent, the fit seems right it comes to the eye. I suspect that it is something with the sights that causes me a problem or maybe it is the 74 year old eyes?

 

[Red Leg]

Please I met to offense, I know that when I have a problem I try to take everything especially the human factor out of the equation. Like you, I have been shooting a double since the early 80s. I have always considered myself a good shot with a double, but for some reason I cannot shoot my wife's .450-400 Heym well? She shoots it excellent, the fit seems right it comes to the eye. I suspect that it is something with the sights that causes me a problem or maybe it is the 74 year old eyes?

Absolutely none taken.

 

[HWL]

I don’t mess with reloading any longer, but I have a good friend who does it for a living, including deciphering double rifle loads. He’ll get a try at it next.

Entering the minefield of Double Rifles......

Good luck....


HWL

 

[Red Leg]

Entering the minefield of Double Rifles......

Good luck....


HWL

Been in those minefields for nearly forty years.

 

[Foxi]

?? this one ?

 

[Red Leg]

?? this one ?

That's the one.

 

[Foxi]

Beautiful.
What would men be without their toys?
And you'll find that an o/u double is a better to shoot than the classic one.
It's not really allowed to say that here , you know a minefield .
A Schmidt and Bender on ?

 

[Foxi]

Beautiful.
What would men be without their toys?
And you'll find that an o/u double is a better to shoot than the classic one.
It's not really allowed to say that here , you know a minefield .
A Schmidt and Bender on ?

Have not seen the big pic.
Yes,a S+B scope.
S+B is more liked as Swaro here.
No difference in quality, but S+B has the most beautiful shapes.