Royal27
AH ambassador
Ivan Carter posted this on FB and I thought it fit this current conversation well.
Hmm, fair enough. Good point!Hunters are honest about that reality and accept it as a part of proper animal husbandry. In that sense we are absolutely entitled to take the moral high ground.
I don't know if you read my earlier posts, but I absolutely do understand the concept of population management and I'm not anti-hunting in a strict sense. Few pages back I only asked 'why hunters enjoy killing' (those words were taken from the video I posted; a professional hunter in the video said the words "some people enjoy killing, some people don't."); I never insulted hunters or wanted you to stop hunting. Now it's clear that you disagree with the premise of that question. So, let's move on.Yes, even lion hunting, and elephants and whatever else is taken as a part of a properly managed system. How the system is mamaged is the point, not whether it is a lion or a cow. Both are animals and both are killed for their hides.
So if you identify a farm or ranch that manages their livestock unethically please single them out. If the animals in the wild are not managed properly, that should be discussed too. But, to say all hunting is done for the kill and has no place in modern society is not at all accurate. Hunting is in fact done because of the absolute love affair we have with the creatures and the wild. They are not just useless anachronisms to us.
Do every hunter on this forum support canned lion hunting? On this subject I am quite anti-hunting. I fail to see how canned hunting can be considered conservation. Please explain how killing/hunting captive bred lions (especially white lions!) can be ethical.
So now it is a Minnesota Dentist and not a rich evil Spaniard that harvested an over the hill lion (average age of wild male lions is 10 -14ys) that was alone outside the park and potentially going to starve to death while taking beatings from every other dominate male lion he encountered.
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/29649636/minnesota-dentist-pays-to-kill-beloved-african-lion
. . . . about Cecil, if it was done illegally let the law take it's course, if he was hunted legally, congrats a great trophy.
You mean all of the facts weren't known from the beginning and there might still be more to come out before we know the truth about what happened, who it happened with, and whether a crime was or was not committed????
Shocking....
If you are indeed interested in understanding hunting and what it entails, I would be happy to host you on a 7 day African safari where you can experience for yourself what the appeal is and the way of life we as hunters are able to appreciate first hand.
I have a confession to make.... I just can't handle the guilt any longer....
I'm a anti-hunter who came here as a deep spy. But, if anyone would like to offer me a safari I'm willing to consider changing my views... Oh, and I hate elephant hunting in Mozambique in particular. Nothing worse that I can think of!!! So if anyone wants to offer me one of those hunts for free it would really help your pro-hunting cause!
@TMS
Can I put my name in for that hunt? I do not not like hunting and would be very interested in experiencing the hunt. Would you be willing to throw in a buffalo on said safari? By the way the kudu in my profile is sleeping in the cool water and I stalked up on him to get the pic. I have extreeeeme ninja skills!I have a confession to make.... I just can't handle the guilt any longer....
I'm a anti-hunter who came here as a deep spy. But, if anyone would like to offer me a safari I'm willing to consider changing my views... Oh, and I hate elephant hunting in Mozambique in particular. Nothing worse that I can think of!!! So if anyone wants to offer me one of those hunts for free it would really help your pro-hunting cause!
@TMS
youdI don't agree with the inference you have drawn. The correct inference is that those who prefer factory farming prefer to live in a state of virtual reality. Not taking ownership of the grim reality that is a carnivore/omnivore is living in a falsehood. The real question is not why do people hunt, it is why do nonhunters hate hunters? What is it about the actions of a hunter that the anti's fear? Is it that they cannot accept that the falsehood they live in, the delusion that no animals were hurt in the making of this dinner, falls apart when they see a hunter? The real question is why is it OK to lie to yourself when you should acknowledge the fact that you have taken a life in order to have eaten. A hunter does not "enjoy" killing. A hunter just does not hide from the truth of the situation. By embracing the truth we are free to create an industry that benefits animals rather than support an industry as disgusting as factory farming.
but the government insists that the lion lived on the reserve and came under its protection.
asking it to prevent the importing of Cecil’s head as a trophy.
Europe needs to ban these lion hunting trophies altogether,” said Luis Muñoz, a Chelui4lions spokesman.
“What hunter, what sort of demented person, would want to kill a magnificent adult lion, known to and photographed by all the park’s visitors?” Muñoz said. “We’re ashamed of the fact that in Spain there are rich madmen who pay for the pleasure of killing wild animals such as lions.”
well, we see where these people obviously stand. it claims the hunt was legal, yet the government says that just because it lived in the park that gave it protection??? hahahahah!!!! ive hunted on public lands bordering parks before and called coyotes right out of the park and had taken them. that doesn't not make it illegal! it was on legal grounds, therefore, it was a legal take.