COVID vaccination required by Safari Company or not, your suggestion

I do believe it is inevitable that everyone will get it. There was a study in Ohio where 40% of the whitetail deer had it. Because it can transfer to animals, including people's pets there is no way to truly eliminate it. If the only way we can get back to normal is if there are no COVID deaths, then we will never get back to normal. Best case scenario is it becomes like the flu where we see 60 to 100 thousand deaths a year, and we are getting booster shots for the dominate variant of that year.

I still think 60 inch kudu would get more people motivated to get the vaccine.
 
Would you hunt with a Safari Company that required Covid vaccination for all hunters and staff?

After my wife and I having a bad case of Covid we had our entire staff to have Covid Vaccinations. Here is my question, should Safari Companies require all visiting hunters to have had full vaccination for Covid? Believe me I believe in personal rights as much as anyone, but I am asking for everyones opinion.
No I would not, if you wish to be vaccinated I have no problem with that but I will not be pushed to get it so I can hunt, eat out, see a movie etc. I will make the choice as to whether or not I take it, not someone else.
Mark
 
As vaccines go however, these are low risk compared to others. The trials were very open and thorough.
Low Risk? VAERS says otherwise.
Please post a link to these "open and thorough" trials.
 
This incomplete test report has been torn apart by multiple doctors all over the Internet. Below is a quote from the report containing multiple sub-standard methods and time frames conducted by Pfizer. The providing "vaccines" to the placebo group is my favorite. Surely you've seen that this report's claim of 95% effectiveness has long since been debunked - even as reported by the evil CDC.

"This trial and its preliminary report have several limitations. With approximately 19,000 participants per group in the subset of participants with a median follow-up time of 2 months after the second dose, the study has more than 83% probability of detecting at least one adverse event, if the true incidence is 0.01%, but it is not large enough to detect less common adverse events reliably. This report includes 2 months of follow-up after the second dose of vaccine for half the trial participants and up to 14 weeks’ maximum follow-up for a smaller subset. Therefore, both the occurrence of adverse events more than 2 to 3.5 months after the second dose and more comprehensive information on the duration of protection remain to be determined. Although the study was designed to follow participants for safety and efficacy for 2 years after the second dose, given the high vaccine efficacy, ethical and practical barriers prevent following placebo recipients for 2 years without offering active immunization, once the vaccine is approved by regulators and recommended by public health authorities. Assessment of long-term safety and efficacy for this vaccine will occur, but it cannot be in the context of maintaining a placebo group for the planned follow-up period of 2 years after the second dose. These data do not address whether vaccination prevents asymptomatic infection; a serologic end point that can detect a history of infection regardless of whether symptoms were present (SARS-CoV-2 N-binding antibody) will be reported later. Furthermore, given the high vaccine efficacy and the low number of vaccine breakthrough cases, potential establishment of a correlate of protection has not been feasible at the time of this report."

Here are some links to some slightly more recent information:
 
This incomplete test report has been torn apart by multiple doctors all over the Internet. Below is a quote from the report containing multiple sub-standard methods and time frames conducted by Pfizer. The providing "vaccines" to the placebo group is my favorite. Surely you've seen that this report's claim of 95% effectiveness has long since been debunked - even as reported by the evil CDC.

"This trial and its preliminary report have several limitations. With approximately 19,000 participants per group in the subset of participants with a median follow-up time of 2 months after the second dose, the study has more than 83% probability of detecting at least one adverse event, if the true incidence is 0.01%, but it is not large enough to detect less common adverse events reliably. This report includes 2 months of follow-up after the second dose of vaccine for half the trial participants and up to 14 weeks’ maximum follow-up for a smaller subset. Therefore, both the occurrence of adverse events more than 2 to 3.5 months after the second dose and more comprehensive information on the duration of protection remain to be determined. Although the study was designed to follow participants for safety and efficacy for 2 years after the second dose, given the high vaccine efficacy, ethical and practical barriers prevent following placebo recipients for 2 years without offering active immunization, once the vaccine is approved by regulators and recommended by public health authorities. Assessment of long-term safety and efficacy for this vaccine will occur, but it cannot be in the context of maintaining a placebo group for the planned follow-up period of 2 years after the second dose. These data do not address whether vaccination prevents asymptomatic infection; a serologic end point that can detect a history of infection regardless of whether symptoms were present (SARS-CoV-2 N-binding antibody) will be reported later. Furthermore, given the high vaccine efficacy and the low number of vaccine breakthrough cases, potential establishment of a correlateA 15-year-old female died of cardiac arrest after receiving the second dose of the Moderna vaccine,of protection has not been feasible at the time of this report."

Here are some links to some slightly more recent information:
Are you aware that the first link you posted states that "A 15-year-old female died of cardiac arrest after receiving the second dose of the Moderna vaccine," when the Moderna vaccine is only FDA approved for 18 and older?
 
Are you aware that the first link you posted states that "A 15-year-old female died of cardiac arrest after receiving the second dose of the Moderna vaccine," when the Moderna vaccine is only FDA approved for 18 and older?
Are you suggesting this somehow means it is safer than reported?
Here is a quote from the CDC's own site:

Cases of myocarditis and pericarditis in adolescents and young adults have been reported more often after getting the second dose than after the first dose of one of the two mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna. These reports are rare and the known and potential benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the known and potential risks, including the possible risk of myocarditis or pericarditis.

BTW the Moderna "vaccine" is not "FDA approved" for anyone. It is still under an Emergency Use Authorization only - even though that should have been revoked as soon as the Pfizer "vaccine" was sort of "FDA approved" while still waiting on further long-term results. Can only have EUAs if there is no other treatment. The FDA is just as corrupt as the CDC, WHO, NIH, etc.
 
Are you suggesting this somehow means it is safer than reported?
BTW the Moderna "vaccine" is not "FDA approved" for anyone. It is still under an Emergency Use Authorization only - even though that should have been revoked as soon as the Pfizer "vaccine" was sort of "FDA approved" while still waiting on further long-term results. Can only have EUAs if there is no other treatment. The FDA is just as corrupt as the CDC, WHO, NIH, etc.
No, what I am suggesting is that the website and the author (Megan Redshaw is a freelance reporter for The Defender. She has a background in political science, a law degree and extensive training in natural health.) may not be the most reliable source of information.
 
No, what I am suggesting is that the website and the author (Megan Redshaw is a freelance reporter for The Defender. She has a background in political science, a law degree and extensive training in natural health.) may not be the most reliable source of information.
Ms. Redshaw's background came directly from the link you posted.
 
No, what I am suggesting is that the website and the author (Megan Redshaw is a freelance reporter for The Defender. She has a background in political science, a law degree and extensive training in natural health.) may not be the most reliable source of information.
Then I suggest you ignore everything I post because I have fewer credentials. However, like Megan Redshaw and the article she authored above, I do my best to provide links to what I post.
 
Then I suggest you ignore everything I post because I have fewer credentials. However, like Megan Redshaw and the article she authored above, I do my best to provide links to what I post.
Brother, I have zero credentials so, I have to put my trust somewhere, and when everything is said and done, I may end up the biggest fool ever to walk this earth. But for now, I will trust articles (like the link I posted above) from the New England Journal of Medicine with 9 medical doctors listed as the authors. Tonight, I am at peace with that decision and, as long as you are at peace with yours, that is all that matters.
God help us all.
 
Brother, I have zero credentials so, I have to put my trust somewhere, and when everything is said and done, I may end up the biggest fool ever to walk this earth. But for now, I will trust articles (like the link I posted above) from the New England Journal of Medicine with 9 medical doctors listed as the authors. Tonight, I am at peace with that decision and, as long as you are at peace with yours, that is all that matters.
God help us all.
And you believe those MD/DO/PhD's, because it's in NEJM, without knowing how much money that they took from Pharma or the Government for any studies they are involved.
 
If you’re vaccinated why do you care if the staff of your outfitter are vaccinated?

I ask this as someone who is vaccinated.
+1. I had Covid and was vaccinated. Now they’re pushing a booster with the same formula as the original Covid 19? A booster every 6-8 mos? This will never end as long as some new variant pops up. So, the Safari staff is vaccinated or not? And what about their booster? I don’t care if they’re vaccinated or not. It’s their choice. What I DO CARE about, is being quarantined in Africa on my time and dime!
 
+1. I had Covid and was vaccinated. Now they’re pushing a booster with the same formula as the original Covid 19? A booster every 6-8 mos? This will never end as long as some new variant pops up. So, the Safari staff is vaccinated or not? And what about their booster? I don’t care if they’re vaccinated or not. It’s their choice. What I DO CARE about, is being quarantined in Africa on my time and dime!
Yup, it's possible to get a disease you're vaccinated for, just a lot less likely. This is true for every vaccine ever invented - you were just unlucky, as these (especially mRNA ones) are extremely good at preventing even infection.

"Booster" is somewhat of a misnomer. A lot of vaccines require multi-dose regimens to confer lasting immunity (remember getting the Hepatitis vaccine? There were 3 doses that are spaced 6 months apart I believe). A minimum 6 month spacing is considered optimal for desired immune response, and it was always suspected that this would be the case. The initial doses were spaced 3 or 4 weeks apart as a compromise to quickly verify efficacy while still providing a decent amount of lasting protection, and to quickly give a large amount of people "good enough" protection.

As someone who had covid @CoElkHunter and had the vaccine, you should be pretty well protected from becoming infected again for a while, but of course this is highly dependent on a variety of factors, including your individual immune response. Scientists are in the process of measuring antibody levels and trying to answer a lot of these questions.

This will end (pandemic), despite the new variants popping up. The Moderna vaccine has proven to be remarkably effective at even preventing infections of the Delta variant, even 6+ months post vaccination (the longest time period we have good data for). The virus will never be eliminated in humans, but will simmer in the background, out of mind like countless other contagious human pathogens.
 
Yup, it's possible to get a disease you're vaccinated for, just a lot less likely. This is true for every vaccine ever invented - you were just unlucky, as these (especially mRNA ones) are extremely good at preventing even infection.

"Booster" is somewhat of a misnomer. A lot of vaccines require multi-dose regimens to confer lasting immunity (remember getting the Hepatitis vaccine? There were 3 doses that are spaced 6 months apart I believe). A minimum 6 month spacing is considered optimal for desired immune response, and it was always suspected that this would be the case. The initial doses were spaced 3 or 4 weeks apart as a compromise to quickly verify efficacy while still providing a decent amount of lasting protection, and to quickly give a large amount of people "good enough" protection.

As someone who had covid @CoElkHunter and had the vaccine, you should be pretty well protected from becoming infected again for a while, but of course this is highly dependent on a variety of factors, including your individual immune response. Scientists are in the process of measuring antibody levels and trying to answer a lot of these questions.

This will end (pandemic), despite the new variants popping up. The Moderna vaccine has proven to be remarkably effective at even preventing infections of the Delta variant, even 6+ months post vaccination (the longest time period we have good data for). The virus will never be eliminated in humans, but will simmer in the background, out of mind like countless other contagious human pathogens.
I really appreciate your input and you are mostly correct. BUT, I can still test positive for any variants of the virus before a return trip from Africa through contracting the virus through airline travel, at the airport, restaurant, hotel, etc. I don't and never have feared the virus. I do fear being stuck in Africa or anywhere else for a 14 day quarantine on my time and dime. My vaccination card should be a free pass to anywhere like the Covid EXPERTS initially said it would be. What a friggin JOKE! Like I said, I'm about done with this nonsense and won't travel internationally until my two dose (and now maybe three) and vaccination card is a test/quarantine free travel pass. Unless, if I decide to go on my first African Safari and the outfitter PAYS FOR me being stuck in a Safari camp during quarantine. I would still have to pay handsomely for a last minute change for a one way flight back to the US after the quarantine! Right now, it's not that important to ME. For those of you that it is, by all means GO FOR IT!
 
That's my fear. Being stuck in a different country. I was fully vaccinated tested positive after a trip to Alaska. I had some symptoms and was given the regeneron infusion. It got rid of it fast but could you get that treatment overseas?
 
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