Compressing powder during reloading. Good or bad? Opinions please

Compressing Powder, Good or Bad? Opinions Please?

Honestly, the question is way too broad. The answer is, Most of the time Good, but can be bad sometimes.......... LOL.........

The big considerations are the Case and the type Powder...........

The vast majority of my loads are compressed. There would be only a very small handful that are not compressed..... most of those would be various handgun loads, such as 45 ACP and what have you.... loading some 38 Specials today, it is not compressed.

Most of my rifle loads are indeed compressed, and very nearly all of my big bore loads are heavily compressed, some to the point that you have to be very careful, or you will BULGE the damn case internally and it will not chamber.

The vast majority of loads operate the best when compressed. I run bolt guns, Winchester M70s comprise all my big bore rifles. In a bolt gun, one has concerns with the bottom round bullet setback from recoil of the top two + rounds. Compressed loads, you do not have those issues. Compressed is very advantageous in this scenario.

Some powders are not conducive at all to being compressed and will react negatively. One of the strangest powders I have ever worked with is LilGun. It is a very good powder for my Super Short series, which are 1.65 inch WSM cases, in .458, .474, and .500 caliber. Lilgun is the top end powder for these cartridges, you get the most velocity with the least pressure. But you can only compress LilGun to a point, once that point is reached, then the more you compress, the less velocity you get, and pressures actually DROP as well?????? Yes, its insane, and I know of no other powder that will do that. All other times, you add powder, you get more pressure and more velocity, its the law of the land....... But not with LilGun, once its reached its max compression point. At least, this is the experience in these 3 cartridges.

I once compressed too much Bullseye in a 9mm case, and blew the grips out on a BHP, and gave my hand a little sting as well..... from that point on, I avoided compressing Bullseye.

I like compressed loads and most of mine are compressed, even down to .308 calibers and .224 calibers.... I can't say for any calibers in between, as I don't shoot anything in between. I can't think of a big bore caliber I own that is not compressed, and sometimes very heavily compressed.

You have to consider the cartridge and the powder you are using............ I also have a very distinct advantage over all of you most likely, and I have a lab to run pressures on my range here at home. So I can do a lot, and do it safely. I even like to blend powders, one of my favorite hobbies. But I have the equipment to do so and keep a check on pressures.

Like all parts of reloading, proceed with care and caution. At home, you can keep an eye on things by watching, and measuring your brass as its fired, and one important thing, listen to what your rifle is telling you as well......... All these things talk to you, you just have to know how to listen.
 
Sounds good on paper but I'm still unsure about all the (perceived) advantages of compressed loads except for trying to get more charge thus more velocity out of a particular powder. If available, my approach has always been to use a more appropriate powder to reach a velocity objective with a particular bullet. If fairly conservative pressure and velocity objectives are set to begin with (my primary method when working up loads), I've had little trouble finding a powder for a particular bullet, that when loaded to about 100% density, yields a reliable load with low SDs of velocity near my objective. I know full well that a 100% load density without drop tubing and vibrating is variable anyway. My 100% density definition is: dropping a powder charge, without drop tube, gadget or vibrating, to a level in the case/neck where the base of the bullet just touches it when seated to desired depth. In reality that will always result in a true load density of somehwere between maybe 95% and 100% because of handing vibrations and subsequent settling. IMO, no pressure surprises while using temperature insensitive powders with low SDs of vel at my objective velocity level are all good things.

Also wouldn't using compressed powder to prevent recoil setback be kind of inconsistent? I've never had an issue with setback using a correct crimp, crimping into an adequate groove with the case mouth rim up against the leading edge of the groove shoulder. IMO, one of the best tools/dies ever devised for crimping is the Lee FCD. Lee has done some quirky things, but this one they got right. :)

In the end... whatever works best for each reloader.
 
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Also wouldn't using compressed powder to prevent recoil setback be kind of inconsistent?
It is a benefit of...... not necessarily to prevent........ and no, its not inconsistent all all to have compressed loads, consistency of the loads tend to improve......... like I said, I load for well over 20 big bore cartridges from 416-.510 caliber that I personally own, and have loaded everything from 416 to .620 caliber and all those are compressed........most all have pressure data to go with it, and believe me, inconsistency is not part of the end process nor accepted here. I absolutely will not tolerate an inconsistent load, wether it is velocity and or Pressures........ You do tend to see inconsistent pressures and velocity at lower ends, and or not compressed loads.... again, depending on the cartridge and powders used.................
 
Nah, I'll pass and stick with what I know works... like SDs in the 6-10 fps range with the best powders for the job and no worries about compression or neck bulge or even recoil set back prevention dependent upon powder compression.

If I wanted to increase the charge and pressure and velocity of a 38 Spl for example I think I would just get a 357. If I wanted to increase the charge and pressure and velocity of a 308 for example I think I would just get a 30-06. If I wanted to increase the charge and pressure and velocity of a 458 WM I think I would just get a 458 Lott.... oh wait a minute, Winchester already went down that road once upon a time. :)
 
There is compressed and than again, there is COMPRESSED. I don't mind going to 106% or so but I'm hesitant to go much over that. I too tap the case to settle the powder prior to seating the bullet.
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