Colt 1911, market scouting

Choose Colt 1911?

  • Springfield Colt 1911

    Votes: 4 9.5%
  • Ruger Colt 1911

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • Colt 1911, by Colt

    Votes: 18 42.9%
  • Smith & Wesson Colt 1911

    Votes: 2 4.8%
  • Wilson Combat Colt 1911

    Votes: 12 28.6%
  • Rock Island Colt 1911

    Votes: 2 4.8%
  • Kimber Colt 1911

    Votes: 3 7.1%

  • Total voters
    42
Bbq gun might be the most American thing I have heard in a while. And I live in the south.

TRUE !! Maybe it's a Texas thing...I dunno? I've heard it for several years around these parts. I bought a couple 1911s from a friend, one was a Kimber that has the look of a National Match "that's my BBQ gun, but I prefer shooting the Springfield Operator" The Kimber did have a fair amount of holster wear... :)

Ed Z
 
I worked for years as a Range Officer at one of the best indoor and outdoor shooting ranges and gun stores in the Country, so I was able to see a lot of bad and good in firearms. All of the brands mentioned have both good and bad features, and a few have made changes to John Brownings original 1911 design.

The extractor and sear are 2 areas that 1911 fans argue about endlessly, but I'll do my best to state things factually.

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The original Colt patent was an internal extractor. The best way for us to think about how it works is to compare it to a Mauser 98 extractor. Everything works perfectly until an untrained shooter (at a BBQ maybe) closes the slide on a chambered round instead of letting a round feed from the magazine. The internal extractor design was made to allow ammunition rim to slide under it as the slide closes and chambers a round. Allowing the slide to slam closed on a round already in the chamber forces the extractor to bend around the rim of the cartridge, and will eventually break the extractor.

To remedy this, several companies make 1911's with external extractors, like S&W. Some purists consider this an abomination to John Brownings original design. Keep in mind though, that FN in Belgium changed the P35/Browning Hi-Power extractor in 1962 because it was a problem with Police and Military forces around the World that issued these pistols.

I'm not trying to preach that one is better than the other, but pointing out that there is a difference when choosing between Mil-Spec and a proprietary design.

Another issue with the 1911 design is the relationship between the trigger, sear, hammer, disconnector, etc. When John Browning designed the 1911, he assumed that the trigger would be pulled to the rear, the round would fire, and the gun would cycle another round into the chamber before the shooter could release the trigger. In other words, the trigger would be held to the rear and the trigger/sear would be out of contact with each other while the pistol cycled to chamber another round. If the trigger is left in its forward position and the slide allowed to slam closed, it can damage a fine trigger job.

For this reason many of the older generation shooting courses taught this sequence to load the 1911.

1. Place safety in FIRE position.
2. Lock slider to the rear.
3. Insert loaded magazine.
4. Pull trigger to it's rearmost position and hold it there.
5. Release the slide to chamber a round.
6. Release the trigger to it's forward position.
7. Place the safety in the SAFE position.

Getting #4 and #5 out of order usually results in more excitement than the Range Safety Officer will allow, especially if the rules of safe direction are not adhered to.

The best way to avoid having to worry about this scenario is to avoid any "Bullseye" type 1911 trigger job less than 2.5 lbs, and avoid any 1911 that is less than $600.

Buy the best you can afford, you won't regret it
 
I voted Wison Combat, but would place Les Baer, Ed Brown and Nighthawk in the same category.

For daily carry or a BBQ gun...these can't be beat.
 
At least two on the list are not US made so really shouldn't even be there. I say go Colt. I have others as well, but the Colt's would be the last to go.
 
Franz,

What is your opinion of the Nighthawk customs? I had one ordered at one time, but had to cancel before it was built.
I really, really like them! The ones I have have been very accurate and reliable. Their designs are more modern, so they might be someone’s taste or they might not be but they are mechanically great guns. Their prices have increased quite a bit on new ones in recent years and used ones generally hold their value pretty well.
 
If I was going to buy one there would only be one choice ALCHEMY
 
Bbq gun might be the most American thing I have heard in a while. And I live in the south.
Indeed, the topic of BBQ guns is a fascinating discussion all on its own. My good friend grew up in West Texas ranching lineage, and got very animated (in a good way) when I asked him about BBQ guns.
 
Indeed, the topic of BBQ guns is a fascinating discussion all on its own. My good friend grew up in West Texas ranching lineage, and got very animated (in a good way) when I asked him about BBQ guns.

I just Googled "BBQ guns" and read some of the threads on all sorts of gun forums, from PewPewTactical, to the ColtForum. LOTs of opinions on what constitutes a BBQ gun!! Funny reading, actually... I suppose I need to get myself a nice leather holster and belt from El Paso Saddlery and get my rig sorted out for BBQ season... :)

Ed Z
 
Mark A Ouellette's comments and recommendations are spot on. If you are looking for a 1911 built for beauty alone don't bother with it. However, if you are looking for the best and most accurate American made 1911 available, the Accuracy X is the gun for you. For display purposes ivory etc. grips are the way to go, from a functional standpoint they are worthless.
 
@michael458 thanks for introducing me to a whole new world of things I never knew I needed. I’m looking at mammoth grips now and wondering how to incorporate some old alligator leather I have with my incoming hippo leather and making it into a nice shoulder rig. Thanks again, I really needed another expensive endeavor! Beautiful weapons you posted!!
 
No Les Baer?
I really like my Les Baer.
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As far as the usefulness of ivory goes, there is a reason why concert pianists prefer ivory keys.
 
The second handgun I ever purchased was a Colt Commander in .45, in the late ‘70’s. I still have it. Purchased a Kimber .45 around 2010 and was greatly disappointed. Down the road it went.
A friend has a Springfield Ronin in 9mm that is impressive. Nice trigger.
 

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