CITES Leopard Permit!

Congratulations @rinehart0050

That’s fantastic.

For posterity and benefit of others tracking, would you mind answering a few questions of relevance?

1.) Country of harvest
2.) When did you apply for your permit?
3.) Did you electronically apply or use the paper mail application process?
4.) Did you have legal representation assist with your application? (E.g. conservation force’s template for supporting data for harvest)
 
Rhinehart—I enjoyed watching your hunt on This is Africa.

I hunted Namibia in November 2021. I applied for the permit with E file at USFWS by myself on 21 Jan 2022. I waited to receive all info from the shipping company and taxidermy group that prepared the leopard. During the first week of April 2022, I received email confirmation that the permit moved to pending. Three days later I received notification that permit was issued. I received the permit last Friday, 15 April 2022. However, I had emailed a copy to the shipping company in Namibia in advance and they noticed I put the shipping company instead of the PH as the consignor. So Friday I sent in an amendment to the permit (with the permit) and $50. So if I had put the right info I would have had the permit in under 80 days with no outside help. The gentleman that I communicate with at USFWS was pleasant and quick to respond.
 
So the permit only gets applied for after the harvest when it’s ready to ship home?
My outfitters US agent was going to add baboon to my agenda when we head to SA May of ‘23 and mentioned needing to apply for a permit.
 
So the permit only gets applied for after the harvest when it’s ready to ship home?
My outfitters US agent was going to add baboon to my agenda when we head to SA May of ‘23 and mentioned needing to apply for a permit.

two expensive, complicated animals are baboon and warthog. Both require usda permits. If I was leopard or elephant hunting I would never add them to the bag as it just adds one more complication, cost, and delay.
 
$200 for a permit and the cost of taking a baboon seems like a no brainer to me.
 
$200 for a permit and the cost of taking a baboon seems like a no brainer to me.

Free to $150 to kill a baboon
$200 for USDA permit
$75-$1200 for skull bleaching or taxidermy
$50-$100 for proportional volumetric freight weight

Chances of one more annoying permit glitch screwing up or delaying the whole lot of premium safari animals: ~priceless

Advice for people going to Africa with the intentions of going back frequently: don’t shoot cheap animals and avoid low-value animals that require more permits. After ten safaris I have stuff all over the world in various delays and awaiting permit scenarios. The slow wheels of export grind away and before you know it you have tens of thousands of dollars in fees for stuff you don’t want and you have other stuff that is delaying the whole shipment with bureaucratic nonsense.
 
Large expensive game is out of my reach and interests.
Our trip may truly be one and done because of other circumstances.
So, to me that baboon will be worth it.

Back to my original question, the permits are applied for after the fact? Not required in hand before?
 
Things may have changed but you do not need a CITES permit to import a baboon into the US but you do need one to export one to the states from RSA. They do have to go to USDA though as do any primate or swine. This was as of June 2021, the date of my last import of trophies.
 
Hunt anything is correct on baboon. For leopard and rhino, you can apply before the hunt or after. I chose to apply after i got the leopard. You don't need a baboon tag from the US to go hunt one. That is USDA on the return trip. You can shoot them in RSA and the outfitter gets a RSA permit to export and that goes through USDA upon its arrival
 
Have shot all colors of baboons and several warthog. Yes, it requires additional consideration while sitting in a customs warehouse in the US, but never an issue getting them home. Your customs clearance brokerage is completely schooled on the process. Not much different than Buffalo. The full mount of "King Kong" (PH named him "Bob M.") is positioned standing up, looking straight at people entering the front door. It scares most people but kids love it! $1,500. I don't recall any excessive additional fees at the time of clearance. That particular one was shot as it jumped off a cattle watering tank, screaming and yelling, and came straight at (a 375 barrel.)
 
Large expensive game is out of my reach and interests.
Our trip may truly be one and done because of other circumstances.
So, to me that baboon will be worth it.

Back to my original question, the permits are applied for after the fact? Not required in hand before?


@buckshot85 to answer your question, there are 4 permits required with USFWS potentially that do not apply to you. Leopard, Lion, Elephant, and Rhino require USFWS endangered species import permits. The permit applications ask a question: A.) Where are you going to hunt it, or B.) Where did you hunt it. Nobody sane gets pre-approval for option A because they could sit on that permit for years and by the time you get it, that area is not in play for hunting anymore, the operator closed, the PH retired, etc.

Regarding your baboon, Just to clear US customs is a $500 charge you're paying anyway. The USDA permit required for primates and swine adds another surcharge, that's the additional headache, additional customs inspections, and additional delays that can be added to getting your crate of trophies home to America. The airfreight to get things to the States right now is up 400-800% since Covid...you'll pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars for the freight. Also, there are freight-forwarders potentially getting it from taxidermist to the major port. Then there are in-country permits and fees.

When you get it home, even if just a bleached skull and a salted hide not yet taxidermied, your cost to get one baboon to the USA is going to be in the $1500-$2500 price range, but as part of your larger trophy shipment it may just add all-in about $500-$700.

Now if you're adding in many other animals, the fixed costs stay the same and the variable costs only add a small percentage. I think to ship in 15 animals from Zim pre-covid that were very, very heavy, plus taxidermy, I was into it about $11,000-$14,000 all-in. On another shipment of just horns and green hides I was all-in about $5000-$6000. These are pre-covid numbers.

You will have sticker shock at the end of the process overall. You'll be angry you added the baboon if you're not loaded for cash.
 
@buckshot85 to answer your question, there are 4 permits required with USFWS potentially that do not apply to you. Leopard, Lion, Elephant, and Rhino require USFWS endangered species import permits. The permit applications ask a question: A.) Where are you going to hunt it, or B.) Where did you hunt it. Nobody sane gets pre-approval for option A because they could sit on that permit for years and by the time you get it, that area is not in play for hunting anymore, the operator closed, the PH retired, etc.

Regarding your baboon, I don't think you understand the magnitude of costs you will endure. This is in no way belittling a working man but rather advising you as a friend how F'd you'll be trying to import just a baboon. Just to clear US customs is a $500 charge. The USDA permit required for primates and swine adds another surcharge, that's the additional headache, additional customs inspections, and additional delays that can be added to getting your crate of trophies home to America. The airfreight to get things to the States right now is up 400-800% since Covid...you'll pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars for the freight. Also, there are freight-forwarders potentially getting it from taxidermist to the major port. Then there are in-country permits and fees.

When you get it home, even if just a bleached skull and a salted hide not yet taxidermied, your cost to get one baboon to the USA is going to be in the $1500-$2500 price range.

Now if you're adding in many other animals, the fixed costs stay the same and the variable costs only add a small percentage. I think to ship in 15 animals from Zim pre-covid that were very, very heavy, plus taxidermy, I was into it about $11,000-$14,000 all-in. On another shipment of just horns and green hides I was all-in about $5000-$6000. These are pre-covid numbers.
Well, I am scheduled for warthog, impala, springbuck, wildebeest and option for zebra and blesbuck.
 
I do appreciate all the experience here. Don't get me wrong, please. I'm simply trying to navigate this all so I can get a real number for getting everything to my door. It's crazy how difficult this obviously can be.
 
Buckshot sounds like a great hunt, there will be people on the ground to walk you through everything in Africa, sit back enjoy and take everything in and remember an additional trophy fee while your there is a lot cheaper than another trans Atlantic flight. Wish I would have taken my own advice way back in 2014!
 
Well, I am scheduled for warthog, impala, springbuck, wildebeest and option for zebra and blesbuck.

Great bag. I sent you a PM. Subtract the baboon, add a jackal. Other reasonable adds may include duiker, hartbeest or klippspringer.
 
I apologize to the OP. Wasn't trying to hijack your thread, but I figured you got some answers that I hope helped and this was an opportunity for me.
Again, sorry.
 
So the permit only gets applied for after the harvest when it’s ready to ship home?
My outfitters US agent was going to add baboon to my agenda when we head to SA May of ‘23 and mentioned needing to apply for a permit.
I applied for my leopard permit in advance of the hunt and received it no problem. You do not have to wait until after you hunt but most people do apply after the hunt.
 
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Congratulations @rinehart0050

That’s fantastic.

For posterity and benefit of others tracking, would you mind answering a few questions of relevance?

1.) Country of harvest
2.) When did you apply for your permit?
3.) Did you electronically apply or use the paper mail application process?
4.) Did you have legal representation assist with your application? (E.g. conservation force’s template for supporting data for harvest)

1. Zimbabwe
2. Initially pre-hunt, but then circumstances changed and submitted update post hunt. So original submission May 2021, changes submitted Sept 2021. Permit approved April 2022
3. My permit application was filed electronically
4. Yes. Conservation Force handled my permit initially. Later, I enlisted the services of SSI, who took over managing the permit, as well as the rest of my importation needs

Good for you!!

When did you apply?? I'm waiting since Sept:(
Initially April, but then amended the application in September.
 

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