Cartridge for the Big 5 that is usable outside of Africa as well

Personally, I went to Africa with a Ruger scout rifle in .308, and a Ruger M77 African in .375 Ruger...and with the right ammunition, those two rifles will handle anything I aspire to hunt in either North America or Africa.

For Africa, I took Hornady Precision Hunter 178-grain ELD-X for the .308, and Hornady Superformance 250-grain GMX for the .375. Killed springbok, impala, and bushbuck with the .308, zebra with the .375. (Bushbuck is the only one that required more than one shot, and that was my fault.)
 
koburn,

everyone has their opinions, here is mine. an 06 and a 375 h&h/375 ruger.

06 will handle smaller game to 350 yards no problem.

375 will handle bigger game out to 200 (about as far as you want to shoot bigger stuff and waaaaay farther than you want to shoot dangerous game.

the 375 will too great service to 400 yards if you know your gun, have shot 1 moose and 1 caribou at 409 and 405 yards respectively.

thats for 2 guns. y9u gotta have a 22 and a 12 gauge too.

i was never a fan of the 30-06, but....it just works. not as flat shooting as a 300 win, but plenty adequate at hunting ranges. if its too far for a 06, you probably need to get closer!

also, the 06 and 375 have a very similar bullet trajectory.
 
Hi Koburn, thanks for your great post, I enjoyed it tremenously. When I was younger I owned many rifles but now only four: Krieghoff Classic Big Five in 9,3x74 R - Krieghoff Hubertus single shot rifle in 6,5x57R - Ferlach Cape Gun with hammers in 9,3x72R - 16/65 - pre-64 Winchester 94 in .30-30.

I‘m a German forester living in South Africa since 35 years. My 9,3 is fine for buffalo, hippo and anything else on four legs. Even if you would pay for it I would never ever shoot an elephant, my battery is ideal for my purposes and I won‘t sell one of the rifles.
 
Koburn, we sound like the same person in different hide. I dont know how old this thread is, but ill post anyway. What did you eventually buy? I settled on a Ruger No1 in 375 H&H, compact, minimalist, beautiful. And i am not fond of bolt actions, just too long and barrel heavy. So what of the second rifle? I chose a Marlin in 30-30. Such a neat design, compact, fast and also beautiful. So far i have taken a buffalo, a zebra and a warthog with the 375, and plan to shortly hunt gemsbok, springbok and red hartebeest with the Marlin. But you cant sleep with any of these, for that you need a double. I have been looking at a Verney Carron in 450/400 and a Chapuis in 9.3x74R. They are both beautiful, maybe the Verney has that edge, but i love the idea of the smaller cartridge. It is legal for buffalo in enough countries, and we will always hunt private land anyway. I wont ever shoot elephant, so this 9.3 could well end up between the sheets. I am also not a recoil fan. Can handle it, but why take more than the 375 dishes out?
 
This is a great thread.

As for me, if you’d asked me this 15 years ago I would’ve said a .30-06 is all I need. I successfully hunted everything from coyote to kudu with mine with no lost animals. Feeling the need to mess with success, I began to focus on the .300 Win Mag. Then, on a whim, I bought a .270 and since then I would gladly give up my .300 and reluctantly my 06’ in favor of my .270 Winchester. It has become my favorite round for everything from mule deer down.

This year I took a cow elk with my 375 H&H - and she did not take a single step. To me, the .375 is much more effective on game and more pleasurable to shoot than my .300 Win Mag .... and now I’m having a hard time wondering when I will ever pull out the .300 to hunt anything (at distances I will shoot) in the future.

So… With all that in mind, if I had to pick a single gun for North America outside of grizzly country it would probably be a .270. If I had to pick a single gun for the dangerous parts of N America and the world, it would no doubt be the 375.
 
The answer is: 9,3x64 in a Mauser M98,.... "For all game of this planet".....the advertising was in 1927, when it was introduced!

It will flatten King Kong, Yeti, Bigfoot, Godzilla and the TRex….

HWL
 
The answer is: 9,3x64 in a Mauser M98,.... "For all game of this planet".....the advertising was in 1927, when it was introduced!

It will flatten King Kong, Yeti, Bigfoot, Godzilla and the TRex….

HWL
 
Hello HWL
I also am a great fan of the 9.3x64 Breneke . My first rifle was a Mauser 66 which I had 30 yrs ago and now I own a R8 in the same caliber. It has always worked for me and never let me down.
I am also a big fan of the 8x68s, hunted all my Alaskan animals with it. If I had only one caliber to hunt everything with it would be the grand old 9.3 x 64 Breneke
 

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I have 3 rifles -303 Brit 404 J and 505 Gibbs - hope to hunt Ellie next year -

Covers absolutely everything that walks this planet - I have little to no interest in hunting Buff - and Giraffe on the other hand 404J will be decisive !
 
I have 3 rifles -303 Brit 404 J and 505 Gibbs - hope to hunt Ellie next year -

Covers absolutely everything that walks this planet - I have little to no interest in hunting Buff - and Giraffe on the other hand 404J will be decisive !
I have that combo and it is fabulous . Many appreciate the 404 and 505 . The 303 is a fabulous round and much appreciated here in OZ . Also I just like the symmetry of multiples of 101 .
 
.30-06 and .375 H&H.
 
That's a great quote. And I think it just makes so much more sense, after all, if you only use a few weapons, you will get a better "connection" and be able to use it better. So much more with a single rifle. At one point I was thinking of only getting a 9.3x62 bolt or a double in 9.3x74R but yeah, it wouldn't be legal for DG although I am sure it'd be fine for lion and leopard.
.375 Ruger is basically very similar to 375 H&H in terms of ballistics, just a shorter cartridge?
you get an extra 100 fps of velocity with a .375 ruger - which does make a big difference in muzzle energy
 
This is a common question, and I think it all has to do with personal choice. I would not forget about the following cartridges 8x68S, 8x57, 9.3x64, and 9.3x66.

1. Personally, I would not have a double if I was limiting myself to 2 guns, they're just not very versatile. In my opinion they should be shot with irons or a red dot, not scope.

2. I also think you need a shotgun, a varmint/small game rifle, a deer rifle, and a dangerous game rifle to hunt the world the right way.

Some combo recommendations below:
1 Gun:
.375 H&H, Ruger, or WBY (works on everything, perfect for very few)

2 Guns:
.300 Weatherby or .300 WM
.375 H&H, Ruger, WBY or .416Rigby or .450 Rigby

3 Guns:
.243 win, 6.5x55, 7x57, 7x64, or 8x57
.30-06, .300 win, .300 wby, 8x68S, .338 win/ultra, 9.3x 62mm, 64mm, or 66mm
.416 Rigby, or .450 Riby (bolt gun), or .470 double
 
.300 Win Mag. Wouldn't that be a bit too much on smaller game like roe? Even 30-06 has occasionally been too much (although, it seems 150g is strangely sometimes worse on meat than 165 or 180, but I guess it depends on what the bullet has struck). And it mostly gives you more range? So, for mountain and plain hunting?
That's why I would want the first rifle to be slightly weaker than the 30-06 (which I think is perfect for midsize deer to moose, but overkill on smaller game, like beaver, fox, roe, lynx etc, especially when using 180grain, and I would like to stick to one load, call me lazy). The second rifle should have only overlap on the medium spectrum of the hunted game, which means they could be used as backup for each other for certain game). I think the 30-06 is as such also a perfect backup caliber, I mean it can probably do everything from foxing to elephant, but it's not ideal for those extremes exactly (nor legal on the upper end).

400H&H looks really cool. Had never heard of it though and have never seen a rifle for it either. I guess it could be hard to get ammo for it as well.

Although I would rather just buy the 2 right rifles from start I have a feeling that I'll go for two CZ 550s in different calibers and later when I can afford it upgrade the second rifle to a double.
Slower bullets tend to destroy less meat. When I shoot something with my 45-70, pushing 425 gr or 525 gr bullets along at around 1600 fps, it's a rare day when I end up with more than a few ounces of ruined, blood-shot meat. Often, I can eat right up to the hole.

This is what high speed, coupled with thin-jacketed bullets does (300 PRC firing 212 gr Hornady, 200 yards to target). I wish I had a pic of the other side, I'm guessing there's probably not even an exit wound.
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You will find vast expertise and experience here in this forum. Most of the dudes here who shoot fast movers have a good reason - it usually involves shooting a great distance (further than 300 yards), and they're all good enough to make those long shots. Or alternately, the shots may be nearer, but to a man, they're all shooting premiums like A Frame or TSX or similar.

If you wanted to go with a single rifle, it would be difficult to beat 375H&H/375 Ruger or 9.3x62. With the right ammo and the right game specie in your scope, you can stretch the 375s to probably 500 yards. You could stretch a 9.3x62 that far as well, but it has about the same ballistic arc as a 308 Win firing 180 gr bullets - not horrible, but also non-trivial.

The one challenge with 375/9.3 as a 1-gun solution is recoil. Neither are horrible, but can be daunting for someone with little shooting experience.

For a long range *hunting* gun, it's hard to beat 7mm RM/280AI or 300 Win Mag. I favor heavy-for-caliber in everything I own - 160 gr or 175 gr for 7mm bullets; and 200 - 220 gr for 30 cal bullets. Velocity gets a bullet to its target, but it's bullet mass that gets a bullet through the vitals. Heavier bullets with their higher sectional densities will out-penetrate (and usually ruin less meat) lighter bullets in almost all circumstances. Additionally, heavier bullets will also have higher ballistic coefficients than lighter bullets of the same caliber/construction, so their ballistic arcs tend to be flatter once you get past 300 yards. This translates to higher velocity (usually) past 300 yards. So you have a faster, more massive bullet to do the work of getting through the vitals.

I'd like a 450/400 or 470 NE as much as anyone, but because of the way barrels are regulated on SxS double rifles, I imagine accurately shooting past about 150 yards can be quite the challenge.

For the 416 and 423 cal bolt rifles, there are lightweight bullet options somewhere above 300 gr and lighter than 400 grains that can extend your reach. This becomes my exception area for favoring heavy-for-caliber. A 300 gr 416 or 423 bullet scooting along at 2700 fps will get you out to 300 yards fairly nicely. And there are a bunch of good choices in 458 cal bullets that are lighter than 500 grains. I'd still favor 400 gr in the "small" 40s and 500 gr in 458 for hunting cape buffalo or hippo.
 

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