Can you kill an animal by missing it?

[gizmo]

Every once in awhile I like to push some buttons.
I did a good job.
Maybe even got some people to think and consider things they think/say.
I have seen photos of elk shot with a 50 and nothing real bad.
If you say(all of those responding) that we need to support each other then you have failed again.
I also think the video was doctored and even if not "I personally" would not post something like that on the internet. But he does have the right even if not in good taste.
Yes Gizmo I have read some of your posts and I have gotten the feeling you are pretty full of yourself. But that is just what I take from the posts. The truth may be different but I have to go by what I have read here before. I no longer read any threads you start just because. I wish you no bad. What you wrote was judgmental and yet you try to say you are not. I am at least honest in that I know I can be judgmental such as what I said about you. Be it right or wrong.
Have a great day and this will be my final post on this thread because I will not continue to extend the bickering. Besides I need to get ready to go hog hunting this evening.
This is a great site and to the mods I am sorry if I caused you any trouble with the posts.

Partner I dont have a clue who you are and don’t care. Fact of the matter is for whatever reason you wanted to pick a fight and so here we are. You know nothing about me and I highly doubt ever will.
I am fine with a difference of opinion and may agree or disagree with people on various things but it’s pretty obvious you have some personal thing you needed to get off your chest so viola, here you go.
I have no hard feelings but the fact is your picking a fight for the sake of picking a fight and I certainly am not passing judgment, Keith Warren can throw hand gernades at deer I don’t freaking care but..... posting videos of stupid crap like this sets us 10 steps back especially considering he has placed himself in a position where he is in the spot light.
Hooray for your photo viewing, I’ve physically seen what a 50 BMG will do to a 200 lb pig at 400 yards and it isn’t pretty so excuse me if I’m not taking your expert analysis of a photo you saw on the internet once as credible.
So right back atcha buddy, I don’t wish any ill will against you but I can certainly see this is going no where.

 

[Timbo]

Every once in awhile I like to push some buttons.
I did a good job.
Maybe even got some people to think and consider things they think/say.
I have seen photos of elk shot with a 50 and nothing real bad.
If you say(all of those responding) that we need to support each other then you have failed again.
I also think the video was doctored and even if not "I personally" would not post something like that on the internet. But he does have the right even if not in good taste.
Yes Gizmo I have read some of your posts and I have gotten the feeling you are pretty full of yourself. But that is just what I take from the posts. The truth may be different but I have to go by what I have read here before. I no longer read any threads you start just because. I wish you no bad. What you wrote was judgmental and yet you try to say you are not. I am at least honest in that I know I can be judgmental such as what I said about you. Be it right or wrong.
Have a great day and this will be my final post on this thread because I will not continue to extend the bickering. Besides I need to get ready to go hog hunting this evening.
This is a great site and to the mods I am sorry if I caused you any trouble with the posts.

From my point of view I cannot see how we have failed by acknowledging the fact we need to support each other as a fraternity. It stands to reason that remaining as individuals - rather than a cohesive group - we'll be easier to control and be neutralised. FYI, the African PH Robin Hurt, with his deep knowledge and experience in both hunting and conservation has mentioned this exact point in his article (posted here on AH). So by comparison with your knowledge and experience, are you saying that the likes of him, has failed too?

See Robin's post:
A Conservationists Reality Check & Viewpoint On The Role Of Legal Hunting In Africa

 

[BRICKBURN]

I think we can all agree, Hornady DG ammo sucks....oh wait, wrong thread...

 

[BRICKBURN]

 

[Timbo]

Know the feeling! I've had days like that...................!!

 

[Eric Anderson]

One could substitute “captive bred lion”, ultra long range game animal shooting, or any number of other ethical issues and written the same response. I think we all do our sport a disservice when we are quiet about what we perceive as unethical practices. I think using a .50 BMG on a deer is ridiculous and unethical. Note, no one said a thing about his right to own the bloody thing. And while I admit, I haven’t seen a deer shot with one, I have seen human beings that were hit by .50’s, and a shoulder strike on that doe would have been, let’s say, dramatic. Along with rejecting the “if it’s legal, shut up” argument, I also don’t see much good coming from attacking personally members on this site; one of the things that has separated this forum from others in which I no longer participate.

There is a member of my VFW post who survived multiple hits by a .50 BMG in his arm, (friendly fire) He was shooting at the time, so I have to assume the bullet passed within inches of his head. No sucking out eyeballs from sockets, ect. There was a recorded instance where a 5" dud shell entered the bridge of a destroyer and took out a stool a member of the watch was sitting on while plotting. He got up with a look on his face, and continued his job. If a 5 inch shell with a muzzle velocity equal to a .50 BMG won't kill you with the shock wave, I do not believe a .50 will. I think that doe got eye shot. perfect shot one in a million, but I do not believe it missed.

 

[Mr. 16 gauge]

From my limited experience culling in the UK and South Africa .........I have grown to despise long range shooting ....the bullet time of flight and indeed opportunities for a followup are close to zero .....even at 200m an animal can move at 1000 m well you have to cover a km just to get to the blood trail .........

I agree with this wholeheartedly......I grew up in an era (which seems to be long past) where there was a difference between "hunting" and animal and "shooting" an animal. When you "hunted" something, the idea was to "get close" and place a good shot on the animal so it didn't suffer, and since everyone hunted for meat, the idea of huge areas of blood shot meat was abhorrent!!! I guess in today's "Cult of the Antler", it doesn't matter any more how much meat is wasted, as long as you can shoot farther than the next guy and get that big set of antlers.........you'll even see it posted here on AH by members and outfitters of "long range" shots taken (and connected.......but I wonder how many "misses", or worse, poor hits.....are not!); Youtube is rife with such videos, and they turn my stomach! Too many postings on Youtube, etc., where animals are used as "targets".......if you don't think that this will turn the nonhunting public into an antihunting public, you really need to pull your head out of the sand, whether or not it IS legal. I, personally, don't find it ethical.
.....and now I have to wonder how many fools out there with large caliber rifles will try to emulate this shot, just to say that they can do it, and how many animals will suffer with shot off lower jaws, ears, missing eyes, (due to the 'near miss" not being "near" or a "miss"), etc because of ego and stupidity.

 

[Timbo]

I agree with this wholeheartedly......I grew up in an era (which seems to be long past) where there was a difference between "hunting" and animal and "shooting" an animal. When you "hunted" something, the idea was to "get close" and place a good shot on the animal so it didn't suffer, and since everyone hunted for meat, the idea of huge areas of blood shot meat was abhorrent!!! I guess in today's "Cult of the Antler", it doesn't matter any more how much meat is wasted, as long as you can shoot farther than the next guy and get that big set of antlers.........you'll even see it posted here on AH by members and outfitters of "long range" shots taken (and connected.......but I wonder how many "misses", or worse, poor hits.....are not!); Youtube is rife with such videos, and they turn my stomach! Too many postings on Youtube, etc., where animals are used as "targets".......if you don't think that this will turn the nonhunting public into an antihunting public, you really need to pull your head out of the sand, whether or not it IS legal. I, personally, don't find it ethical.
.....and now I have to wonder how many fools out there with large caliber rifles will try to emulate this shot, just to say that they can do it, and how many animals will suffer with shot off lower jaws, ears, missing eyes, (due to the 'near miss" not being "near" or a "miss"), etc because of ego and stupidity.

I must admit I too prefer getting in close, as the vitals are so much easier to hit. Also as mentioned by someone else, if the shot isn't immediately effective - and you need to partake in a little olympic class athletics to recover him - it's easier to do so with only a 200yd head start, rather than 700yds. Getting in close also gives the game a longer time in which to detect you and run.
I still remember as a kid stalking up close to a big old wild boar. I stalked him for about 20 minutes, and he never knew I was there. In the end all I had to do was reach around from behind the tree he was busily rooting under and squeeze off the shot: the distance between his head and the barrels of my shotgun being around 18". He dropped on the spot to a charge of buckshot: his head felt like a bag of crisps. I still remember that stalk.

 

[wesheltonj]

Eyes sucked out and instant death, I will agree its possible, but not probable. Google Keith Warren and CWD for some other possible but not probable stories. Just saying.

 

[ArmyGrunt]

So, what is the topic here?

I posted it to see if anyone else had killed by missing. I failed to see, in my ignorance, that it would get into a bit of a pissing contest. I think it was in the general discussion category, but it got moved. Not sure it fits in the Hunting Africa: Videos box, but whatevs.

Swing and a miss?

 

[ArmyGrunt]

Reading the OP I think this might be what he is asking?

https://www.range365.com/?loc=header&lnk=logo

That seems like just the launch page. Was there something you were trying to drive us towards?

 

[Bhfs300]

It was saposto be this.

A .50-Cal. Sniper Bullet's Shockwave Can Kill: Fact or Myth?

https://www.range365.com/sniper-bullets-shockwave-can-kill-fact-or-myth

This might be the correct copy?
Thanks for letting me know it didn’t work.

 

[Dragan N.]

Gizmo---"I am not really passing judgment" ????????????WTF Your post says different. The deer will not "vaporize" if hit with a 50BMG. You have been drinking too much of the anti-gun/hunting Kool-Aid if you believe that. I do not say you should not have an opinion(judgment) but at least be honest about it and not hide behind a smoke screen.

I understand you are one of the special members since you are an outfitter and I am just a member----- who has hunted for many years. I see you patting yourself on the back here all the time. Maybe some of it is deserved. But you do our sport no good when you start dividing us because you think something does not suit you. The antis love that and have been doing so to us for many years. We, as a collective group, still have not figured that out and often become our own worse enemy by not standing behind ALL hunting/firearm ownership. I can bet that some people will not like/agree with some of your hunting practices/choices also. But they do not need to put you down as long as your choices are legal where you hunt.

I would assume gizmo used the word vaporize as a figure of speech- it wouldn't vaporize a deer literally but it would cause extensive damage. But nobody claimed this. However it would cause extensive damage to a lot of meat and ruin the carcass. Apart from the initial impact from the bullet that would blow a gaping hole and maybe even separate the deer into 2 or more pieces, most of the deer would be inedible because of bone fragments which would be imbedded throughout the carcass. I assume you would only be able to perhaps salvage the hams from a deer that was hit directly in the front by a .50BMG. This would result in a lot of meat being wasted deliberately. Most jurisdictions have laws to minimize meat spoilage and deliberately letting it go to waste from game animals(although they probably wouldn't apply in this case). Deliberately wasting a lot of meat on a deer or any game animal that people eat just because you want to see or show what happens to a deer when hit by a .50cal is extremely unethical.

If you really want to shoot animals with a .50BMG its a lot better to do it on stuff that is going to waste anyway- i.e. groundhogs, prairie dogs, summer coyotes (in states/areas where there are no closed seasons) etc...

 

[Mel3777]

This guy here....

I've heard that it is possible with the 50 BMG, but I always figured it was bull. I guess I was wrong....

Through both eyes, it's been proven the shock wave theories doesn't work.

 

[lcq]

I've had plenty of bullets of many calibers go by close to my head and I have to call fresh and steamy on this one. The internet is a cesspool for this stuff

 

[tedthorn]

No

A bullet can't kill by missing

 

[ArmyGrunt]

What if it's magic?!?

 

[Rule 303]

I posted it to see if anyone else had killed by missing. I failed to see, in my ignorance, that it would get into a bit of a pissing contest. I think it was in the general discussion category, but it got moved. Not sure it fits in the Hunting Africa: Videos box, but whatevs.

Swing and a miss?

Short answer to your question is Yes. I have seen many rabbits that have died without a shot touching them I have seen one die when the 30-30 projectile put a nice clean round hole through both ears.

I have seen a 6'+ tall red kangaroo killed by a miss with a130grain projectile from a 270, range 30 mts. Roo was skun out and opened up, no sign of a hit anywhere. How or why it happens is open to discussion.

I do agree that putting that sort of video on Utube does not help genuine hunters.

 

[Scott Slough]

I"'ll let you know if I ever miss!

 

[BRICKBURN]

What if it's magic?!?