Bought an original FN in 404 Jeffery

What a steal!!!! $550? This rifle is worth $2000-$2500, if its worth anything. My local shop had the same rifle in 30-06 cal last October for I believe $1500. In almost perfect condition. Since I didn't need another 06, I didn't even try to buy it. But had it been a .404, I would have bought it immediately. What a deal for @peter1983 !!!!!!
 
WOW! Thanks for all the kind replies, I didn't expect so much info so fast. I definately came to the right place!

It is interesting how a group of people from all over the world, can come together with a piece or two of information each, and before you know it a mosaic is laid out.

Great first post and welcome to AH.

I would much rather have your 404 than many of the 404's found selling on websites up to the $4,000 range. Great find and thanks for sharing it with us.
 
Aha! The confirmation that we needed that the .404 was a factory chambering. It must be an extremely rare find. I am envious. And no need to be concerned about a salted stock. Good work Major! (y)
Yes indeed :)

The catalog posted by Major Khan (Thank you!) also confirms that the Safari Grade series had the "modified bolt stop" (yucks!) and this rifle definitely does not, which further confirms it predating this series of rifles, i.e. it is pre-1960 which was the year of the Safari Grade introduction in the US, and makes it even more valuable, and indeed it categorically excludes the salted stock concern.

The other obvious clue is that the Safari Grade had the frame mounted slide sear (or trigger?) blocking safety (yucks again!), while this rifle has the much safer bolt-mounted firing pin-blocking modified flag safety, further confirming that it predates this series.

The barrel boss rear sight continues to intrigue me (it also does not figure in the catalog), but again this is going into the "plus" column of the ledger, and further research shows that it was apparently common to have the proof stamps duplicated on the barrel (see picture here under), so I am pretty convinced now that it is a rarissime pre-"Safari Grade" factory .404 original :)

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Yes indeed :)

The catalog posted by Major Khan (Thank you!) also confirms that they had "modified bolt stop" (yucks!) and this rifle definitely does not, which further confirms it predating this series of rifles, i.e. pre 1960 which was the year of introduction, and makes it even more valuable, and indeed categorically excludes the salted stock concern.

The barrel boss rear sight continues to intrigue me (it also does not figure in the catalog), but again this is going into the "plus" column of the ledger, and further research shows that it was apparently common to have the proofs stamps duplicated on the barrel, so I am pretty convinced now that it is a rarissime factory .404 original :)

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Why thank you so much for your kind words , One Day . It is my utmost privilege to have been able to decipher the year of manufacture and model of Peter's magnificent rifle . Fortunately , for all of us ... Collecting vintage catalogs of fire arms manufacturers , is a favorite side hobby of mine .
 
Hello peter 1983,

Khomas Highland Hunting Safaris of Namibia, welcomes you and your .404 Mauser, to the greatest forum on earth.

Best Regards,
Velo Dog.
 
Hi Peter1983

Congratulations on your acquisition of that beautiful .404 , definitely seems like a good deal and a rare find and I am sure many on this group are envious , I am for sure .
I am also relatively new to this forum and joined due to amount of enthusiasm and information on this forum for all things shooting and hunting , I am also amazed at how quickly the members always assist .
There is a wealth of information on this forum and it is great interacting with like minded persons that have the same passion .
I am really glad that .404 found a good home , may you have many happy hours on the range / hunting with it !
 
Velcome to the forum Peter1983....and congrats on a great buy (steal..). This confirms what I have stated earlier...big bore hunting rifles, bolt or double are now very moderately priced in Europe, unless from a well known British gunmaker..quite simply because so few want them. There are bargains out there..
 
Hi there, first post here but I have been gathering good info here on this forum for quite a while. I am a 36 years old sportshooter from Belgium (mostly handguns from .22 to 460 S&W Magnum and pretty much everything in between) who has been fascinated with big bore rifles and their hunting nostalgia. I have two Ruger No1 rifles in 458 Win Mag and 375 H&H Mag and recently bought a Brno ZKK602 from 1992 also in 458 Win Mag.

Today I bought an original FN mauser 98 style rifle in 404 Jeffery (or 404 Rimless, just says cal 404 on the barrel). I bought it through my gunshop who is selling several rifles from an 80 year old collector who is getting rid of all his rifles. These kind of safari rifles are not that popular in Belgium so I paid only € 500 for it, which is roughly US $ 550. The owner of the gunshop also had two full boxes (40 rounds) of RWS 404 Rimless ammo which he gave me for free, I was quite happy with this gesture to say the least. These are some older boxes as you can see in the pictures, but the rounds still look like new.

Does anyone of you guys have any more info on my new FN rifle based on the pictures? I am guessing it is from the 1950's based on the info I found so far (serial number is 34xxx), but I couldn't find much. The bolt really glides in the action like a knife through hot butter (quite a difference compared to most other bolt actions I have handled so far), but the "Chrome Vanadium Steel" stamp on the barrel somehow gives me the impression that the rifle may be a bit younger, but I am definately no expert here, more an enthousiast. I also have the impression I did a real good deal here, especially with the ammo tossed in for free. According to the gunshop owner the previous owner only shot 1 or 2 rounds with it, but of course I do not know if he was the very first owner, altough the rifle is in excellent shape and I do not suspect it has seen much hunting.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy the pictures.

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I've got an FN in 9.3x62. And I just love it. I've already christened mine on buffalo in SA. So if mine is anything to go by, you've just got yourself a superb rifle in a classic calibre!! (y)
 
Beautiful rifle in a very handy caliber Peter. Congratulations. It is indeed a pre-1960 rifle, with the blue bolt shroud (polished metal in the Safari grade), Mauser flag safety and rear sight with 200&300m flip up leafs.

I own two of these, in .250 Savage and 7x57 respectively, and would certainly trade a few rifles in my safe for this one of yours.
 
I also have an FN, very similar to yours, around the same vintage, assembled by the DuMoulin house of firearms.

Mine is chambered in 7x64mm and despite it's age is one of my most accurate firearms. As you mentioned the bolt glides like it's on ball bearings.
I would not trade mine for double what I paid for it.

They are an under-rated and undervalued firearm.

Your in particular is an exceptional example in a very useful and coveted calibre.

Congrats on your purchase and hope you enjoy many years of rewarding hunting and shooting with it as I am with mine.
 
Congratulations on a great find! And welcome aboard AH.
 
WOW! Thanks for all the kind replies, I didn't expect so much info so fast. I definately came to the right place!

Shootist43: funny that you mention Jesse James, I have been told I look like the identical twin brother of the real Jesse James (the first picture you see on his Wikipedia page), altough I would have preferred looking like the Jesse James from the Brad Pitt movie ;)

Major Khan: thanks for all the info and the pictures with a lot of additional info you posted, will print them on Monday at work. It seems to me my particular FN rifle predates the rifle from the catalog you showed, the lack of screws in the receiver to fit scope rings is (at least to me) an indication of that (you can see the holes in your last picture). So a 1950's rifle seems very plausible, and it's great to hear that happened to be the golden age of FN, it's something new I learned today.
Interesting that you also mention the floor plate, I have absolutely no fear mine will be "jumping loose" while shooting as I can't seem to open it. I can press the spring loaded button just fine, but the floor plate doesn't move. I could try to pry it open when holding the button down, but at the risk of damaging the stock, so I don't think I will try that. I could also take the screw off, but also here I don't want to risk damaging a screw that has been fixed in place for over 60 years. All the screws in the rifle look untouched and I sort of have a bad reputation for screwing up screws ;) By the way, nice looking (seems well used) 12 bore!

Red Leg and Wheels: thank you as well for all the info! The rifle has indeed a butterfly safety, I didn't know it was called a butterfly safety, but seeing how it operates it makes perfect sense. I can also tell you the barrel is definately an FN original barrel as the serial number engraved on the barrel is in the same font as on the receiver which has the big FN logo on it. Underneath the bolt handle you can also find the serial number, and of course they are all matching (luckily).

One Day: no costs for paperwork in Belgium, at least for bolt action rifles, lever-action rifles, blackpowder rifles, blackpowder handguns and .22 pistols. At least if you have a sport shoorters license (which I have), so buying a rifle is just as easy for me as buying a new phone (of course getting the sport shooters license requires some effort). Centerfire handguns and semi-auto rifles require some more paperwork and a couple of months patience however. You also mentioned the position of the base plate lock, it is indeed outside (in front) of the trigger guard. If FN didn't make a factory offering of the 404 at that time this one may indeed very well be a custom shop rifle produced on the request of a customer.

The FN factory in Herstal is actually a one hour drive for me, never visited it however (shame on me, I know) and what's more, as a Belgian I only own one Belgian firearm, and it's this one. All my other firearms are made in USA, Germany, Austria, Czech Republic and Italy. FN nowadays is actually not too keen on selling firearms to their fellow Belgians, an FN SCAR rifle for example has to be imported from the USA if you want to buy one here in Belgium while it has been produced basically around the corner, so it will end up costing twice what its worth, so a lot of guys (me included) buy foreign firearms as they are in fact easier to obtain, at least for the new firearms, the used market is a different matter of course. But Belgium is a weird little country so somehow it makes sense that FN does things like that ;)

No hunting trips are planned so far, in Belgium this also requires a big effort to got the right license for it and time is not on my side. But owning and shooting the rifles that are used for safari hunts give me a lot of joy and satisfaction, so that will have to do for now. I am like the guy who buys a sportscar but never actually goes to the racetrack ;)
Hi Peter, I have the same rifle in 458 win mag so how about we do a swap ?My FN for your Brno? That way you will have a matched pair and I will have another BRNO
 
Hi nice buy.....could be wrong but those bullets look like the rws I think steel jacket solids..... I have a box somewhere for my 9.3x74r....used it on buff once and they worked very well.... Dont think they have loaded them for a long time.... Not in 9.3x74r anyway.... So worth keeping ...sure I will be corrected :D...:D Beers:
 
First welcome to AH! Second I have been accused of getting "Dave Deals on firearms" So I salute you on a "Peter Deal!!!!"
Very nice and rare FN, like many have said mid to late 50's is when it was manufactured. You have a wonderful rifle in THE classic African mid-large bore rifle.
You will enjoy shooting it, so take it to Africa on a hunt for something large and angry.
 
Sorry to hijack the thread a bit but if anyone in the UK is looking for a .404 there is a Parker-Hale with a flag safety for sale in the next Holts auction. Lot no. 4239 estimated £700-£900 this would be a steal by a great maker. Hope someone here buys it
 
Good find mate a very nice rifle, but please do not drill and tap it like many people would be tempted to do.
 
Thanks for all the replies, really appreciate the kind words and all the info!

Von Gruff, your names pops up a lot when ones searches for the 404 Jeffery, thanks for all the research, excellent reading material when you are into the 404.

John Telford, trading rifles outside of Belgium is an adventure in the most negative kind of way, one mistake in the paperwork and you may end up losing all your guns (as a Belgian), so it's something I stay clear of. I know it is possible, but definately not recommended.

By the way, a friend of mine who is an avid FN collector has found the original manual from 1959 that came with my type of rifle. He told me it has a much better home together with the rifle it was meant for, so he gave it to me. So now I have the original FN 404 Jeffery rifle together with the original manual from 1959. It is in french language, but being from Belgium french is my second language (after my mother tongue dutch, actually flemish, which is sort of the same, also sounds a bit like Zuid Afrikaans), I can read the manual perfectly.
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