Big Bore Margin for Error...are You Joking?

[PHOENIX PHIL]

I was making my through the local grocery store and I peeked around a corner and hiding between the pickles and soup I saw this patch of fur.

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I had a flash back to this thread and thought she might be gut shot at any moment.
So I screamed "Get Down!"

It was truly embarrassing,

Boar or sow?

 

[Graham Hunter]

I am sure his hunting ethics will show up in his business ethics at some point

 

[brandondd24]

Terrible story, I'm worried the kid will now think that's an ok way to hunt.

 

[thi9elsp]

I know someone who hunted public land in east Texas years ago with a buddy. Two other guys in camp. When they got back to camp from the morning hunt the first day the other two guys said "Well, I had a good sound shot, but didn't find anything." The other, "Too bad, I had a good movement shot, bud didn't find anything either." Gary and his friend left camp and went home. My point is, there are idiots out there whether hunting or elsewhere.

I would avoid hunting with the guy and gracefully bow out if asked. I don't think you'll do any good trying to talk to him about it.

 

[ROCKET]

y point is, there are idiots out there whether hunting or elsewhere.

Do you have any doubt about this.....??......no doubt, there are plenty of them, you can be sure.......ants, stones, flies and stupid people never end......

 

[Edward Wright]

I have really enjoyed the sideways humor gents , thank you. The chuckles in my heart are short lived at this tragic story. This was not a young hunter filled with blood lust. This was an apparently competent world class hunter. WOW
I can only add that my influence has had minor effect over the years. I have a few friends that think over harvest is fine is some areas, and I hold to game laws. My conversations about lost opportunity, sportsmanlike acts on my part, law adherence, gun safety, etc. Over the years has had a positive effect on these individuals, but has not changed their views on harvest compliance.
In the end, I'm afraid that you cannot break an unethical heart, it has to break itself. That in some never happens, and the issues that I refer to were handed down, and deeply imbedded.

This gent has had his way for so long it probably will never change. The sadness we feel is real, we sometimes assume that a well founded hunter , is a well founded conservative sportsman, and sometimes that is not true. That makes me sad, and angry
I would do business, and avoid deep hunting discussions, and if he draws you out, speak your mind. Doubtful it will do any good though; hasn't helped me over the years.

 

[Ray B]

About five years ago two brothers (as I recall, ages 16 & 14) went bear hunting. The wild Huckleberries were ripe and the bears were out & about. they saw what they were sure was a bear so one of them shot. they went over to tag it, and learned it was a woman in a brown coat that had been bent over, picking berries. I suspect the woman never knew what hit her- the two teenagers have to live with that the rest of their lives.
for details google Skagit hunting accident about five years ago involving two teenaged boys and a woman victim.
give a copy of the report to the hunter that shoots through an opening in the brush at a patch of brown.

FATAL INCIDENTS
4. SHOOTER: 14 year-old male VICTIM: 54 year-old female FIREARM: .270 rifle TYPE: Fatal COUNTY: Skagit BLAZE ORANGE: N/A HUNTER ED GRADUATE: Yes DATE OF INCIDENT: 8/2/08 NARRATIVE: The shooter and his 16 year-old brother were hunting along a hiking trail during intermittent fog and observed movement below them about 80 yards away. The shooter thought it was a bear and fired, striking a hiker in the head and killing her instantly. The shooter was tried and convicted of second degree manslaughter.

Edited: copy/paste of incident report included in 2009 report to Washington State hunter education instructors report for the year 2008.

 

[BRICKBURN]

A 39-year old man was arrested for murder on Monday morning after a farmworker was shot dead during a hunting expedition.
"He was arrested this morning. He will appear in the Modimolle Magistrate's Court today [Monday]," said Limpopo police spokesperson Brigadier Motlafela Mojapelo.

The man and a woman told police on Saturday night that they mistook the farmworker for an animal while they were out warthog hunting on Meisiesvlei farm near Tuinplaas.

According to police, they heard a noise in the bush and shot in its direction.

The farmworker was shot in the back and died.

He worked on a neighbouring farm.

Police have not released his name because they are trying to trace his family to break the news to them.

The couple was allowed to return to Pretoria after reporting it to police.

The provincial police commissioner was given the case docket and the initial proposed charge of culpable homicide was changed to murder.

Mojapelo said the police were ready for any outpouring of outrage in the community over the shooting.

https://www.africahunting.com/threa...hunter-arrested-for-killing-farmworker.35437/

 

[Lomadelray]

A 39-year old man was arrested for murder on Monday morning after a farmworker was shot dead during a hunting expedition.
"He was arrested this morning. He will appear in the Modimolle Magistrate's Court today [Monday]," said Limpopo police spokesperson Brigadier Motlafela Mojapelo.

The man and a woman told police on Saturday night that they mistook the farmworker for an animal while they were out warthog hunting on Meisiesvlei farm near Tuinplaas.

According to police, they heard a noise in the bush and shot in its direction.

The farmworker was shot in the back and died.

He worked on a neighbouring farm.

Police have not released his name because they are trying to trace his family to break the news to them.

The couple was allowed to return to Pretoria after reporting it to police.

The provincial police commissioner was given the case docket and the initial proposed charge of culpable homicide was changed to murder.

Mojapelo said the police were ready for any outpouring of outrage in the community over the shooting.

https://www.africahunting.com/threa...hunter-arrested-for-killing-farmworker.35437/

Just incredibly stupid and needlessly tragic. The first rule my father taught me was to treat every gun as though it is loaded, because it's the "unloaded" guns that kill people. The second, make damn sure you know what you're shooting at before you pull the trigger...as the consequences can be permanent!

I know it happens, I know that obviously this mentality continues to exist, however I continue to be shocked and disappointed when I encounter it in seemingly otherwise rational adults.

This insane behavior is one of the things that gives fuel to the anti's arguments.

 

[Spooksar]

Four rules of firearms safety number 3 is know your target, what is behind it and what is around it. Hearing that story I would have went ballistic on the person.

 

[Ray B]

Normally an accidental shooting is charged as manslaughter. Since it was changed to murder causes me to wonder if there is more to the story.

 

[AZDAVE]

I would ask a question with a befuddled look on my face like "Do you really think taking a young hunter into the bush where you don't have a complete grasp of the situation was really a good idea? the based on the answer You can respect his business but just say that you don't agree with that as you would NEVER have taken the shot with out and exact sight picture and knowing exactly where on the animal you were shooting. IE We as hunters ethically owe it to the animal to cleanly harvest it and not risk a risky shot and wound it. Then if he pulls his head out of his ass you can try and use it as a teaching moment. If he responds like an ass; don't waste a bad mood and just shake your head say I could never hunt with a dangerous fool like you and just turn and walk away.

 

[Edward Wright]

 

[Longwalker]

I don't think I could have been diplomatic with that idiot. I would have given him a lecture. And I would have very great concerns about doing business with such a person once his character had been revealed. But that's just me.

I do realize however, that sometimes business puts a person in situations where you'd be better off not expressing an opinion, justified or not.

The following quote comes to mind: "all it takes for evil to triumph over good is for good people to do nothing"

 

[Lomadelray]

I don't think I could have been diplomatic with that idiot. I would have given him a lecture. And I would have very great concerns about doing business with such a person once his character had been revealed. But that's just me.

I do realize however, that sometimes business puts a person in situations where you'd be better off not expressing an opinion, justified or not.

The following quote comes to mind: "all it takes for evil to triumph over good is for good people to do nothing"

I get it, and that is what that nags at my conscience. had the business just been between he and I, I think I would have spoken my mind and let the chips fall where they may.

But it was a multi-party deal and because there were other parties involved that I owed allegiance to, to walk away would have meant breaking my word, and that is not an option for me.

Hopefully the opportunity to speak my mind to him will present itself in the future. It is just disappointing because I really wanted to like the guy.

 

[Rule 303]

Somethings come to mind. Is what he said true or just big talking himself using somebody else story. If it is remotely true then I would wager most of his hunting is paid for and the PH would have strict control or ends up shooting wounded animals.

He comes across as a braggart who has no idea, I would expect him to get lost if he had to step off a track. If true he was luck, probably hit the bear in the liver.

Not defending the man in any shape or form.

I have not hunted bears but believe they move very quickly, so taking a non hunter into this area strikes me as totally idiotic, in the true sense of the term.

 

[Lomadelray]

Somethings come to mind. Is what he said true or just big talking himself using somebody else story. If it is remotely true then I would wager most of his hunting is paid for and the PH would have strict control or ends up shooting wounded animals.

He comes across as a braggart who has no idea, I would expect him to get lost if he had to step off a track. If true he was luck, probably hit the bear in the liver.

Not defending the man in any shape or form.

I have not hunted bears but believe they move very quickly, so taking a non hunter into this area strikes me as totally idiotic, in the true sense of the term.

I believe him about hunting regularly in the area he described. Whether or not this account was strictly true or not I have no way of knowing.

Making up or inserting yourself in someone else's tall tale would certainly be more forgivable than if this event actually happened as he relayed it.

In any case, I agree that his nonchalance about taking a non-hunter into situation so dangerous was just disturbing...even if he made it up.