Best Caliber for Tiny 10?

[bruce moulds]

when i shot a lot of foxes for skins, my first rifle was a 17/222 mag ackley.
it mostly caused a lot of skin damage.
going to a 17 mach 1V solved the problem.
that rifle also shot kangaroos and goats one shot dead on the spot with good bullet placement.
foxes were shot on the point of the shoulder, in the head or frontally in the neck/chest where possible.
kangaroos in the upper chest or head, and goats head only.
this or the modern equavalent 17 fireball would serve well on the animals shown in the pictures above.
a 25 gn hornady hollow point was used for foxes, and might suit slightly bigger animals a little better.
that was way before the 17 rem came on the market.
i also wondered how the 32/20 would go for centre of mass shots at closer ranges, but the pictures suggest that a 25/20 might be morew suitable.
the 223 shooting 50 gn nosler ballistic tip varmint projectiles will stay in a kangaroo's chest, but that is with an 8 twist barrel.
the same bullet will blow up a rabbit.
bruce.

 

[Ragman]

Only the largest like a common duiker. The various dik dik, suni, blue duiker, etc are more akin to a European hare in size. A truly giant red duiker bull, which is middle of the pack from a size perspective, may top twenty pounds on a full stomach.

Below are a Mozambique Suni, Red Duiker, and Oribi. The Suni - a really nice one - might top 10 lbs live weight.

And centering them, as these were, if using a .375 solid, is the best technique. Actually hit the shoulder, and the results can be unfortunate.

Those suni are incredible little animals!

 

[IvW]

I would never hunt one of those animals ... I am only interested in an impala ... no more than a single impala ... that is going to be my hunt in Africa.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to hunting the tiny ten.

Why do some people have opinions, recommendations and are adamant about their opinions even if they are totally wrong? Have never hunted these animals, do not intend hunting these animals and clearly do not even know what they look like?

Astonishing.....to say the least.....

 

[shark_za]

One does not shoot Tiny 10 animals for the meat, do not judge other hunters by what they find challenging or interesting.
While an Impala is the McDonalds of the bushveld, don't judge others for utilizing another resource as this contributes to the future survivability of hunting in general.

 

[JLF]

A .375 H&H was used, with a solid tip for such a hunt ... where the difference is found in using a .338 at low speed.

 

[JLF]

I don't judge anyone ... I'm not the one to judge.
He never hunts for the trophy ... therefore I do not know what part of the animal they bring, head, or all complete ...
If they bring the whole animal with using hard tips at low speed it will not harm the skin ...

 

[IvW]

A .375 H&H was used, with a solid tip for such a hunt ... where the difference is found in using a .338 at low speed.

And exactly which 200 gr solid 338 caliber bullet at what speed are you suggesting from the 338 WM?

 

[IvW]

One does not shoot Tiny 10 animals for the meat, do not judge other hunters by what they find challenging or interesting.
While an Impala is the McDonalds of the bushveld, don't judge others for utilizing another resource as this contributes to the future survivability of hunting in general.

I don't judge anyone ... I'm not the one to judge.
He never hunts for the trophy ... therefore I do not know what part of the animal they bring, head, or all complete ...
If they bring the whole animal with using hard tips at low speed it will not harm the skin ...

Everybody hunts the Tiny 10 for the trophy and not for the meat....

Who is he?? The one you do not know what part of the animal he brings back?

Whatever caliber or bullet is used, the neck(any part of the neck is the last place to aim).
Behind the shoulder, unless using a shotgun, that is all.

Most are shot with larger calibers and solids because the person is hunting other animals at the same time, unless said hunter has collected most of the tiny ten and is concentrating on finishing up the collection of the last few, in which case the person may then be using a specialist caliber for that species.

 

[JLF]

At 2,200 feet / sec or less with the hardest tip, because solid at 338 there are no 200 grains.

 

[JLF]

Everybody hunts the Tiny 10 for the trophy and not for the meat....

Who is he?? The one you do not know what part of the animal he brings back?

Whatever caliber or bullet is used, the neck(any part of the neck is the last place to aim).
Behind the shoulder, unless using a shotgun, that is all.

Most are shot with larger calibers and solids because the person is hunting other animals at the same time, unless said hunter has collected most of the tiny ten and is concentrating on finishing up the collection of the last few, in which case the person may then be using a specialist caliber for that species.

I am not a trophy hunter ... I hunt for meat ... therefore I do not know what part of the animal trophy hunters bring ... It is not difficult to understand I think ... or maybe my English is not good.
For you to understand me ... I hired a hunt in Africa for 7 days to hunt only an impala, plus I can eat it and I do not want guides or trackers only the PH ...
and rent a rifle without an optical scope.
Otherwise I don't hunt. And I leave the head, I don't want it.
I explain myself well?
I was never interested in trophies, so I don't know what they bring.

 

[JLF]

I was never interested in hunting for the trophy ... I do not judge who hunts for a trophy ... I consider that each one owns to do or hunt as they wish ... that is called respect for the other person.
On the other hand, no one has hunted the Tiny 10s to eat does not mean that they cannot be hunted to eat them ...

 

[IvW]

At 2,200 feet / sec or less with the hardest tip, because solid at 338 there are no 200 grains.

But you said 200 gr solids......

 

[IvW]

I am not a trophy hunter ... I hunt for meat ... therefore I do not know what part of the animal trophy hunters bring ... It is not difficult to understand I think ... or maybe my English is not good.
For you to understand me ... I hired a hunt in Africa for 7 days to hunt only an impala, plus I can eat it and I do not want guides or trackers only the PH ...
and rent a rifle without an optical scope.
Otherwise I don't hunt. And I leave the head, I don't want it.
I explain myself well?
I was never interested in trophies, so I don't know what they bring.

But you advise on what to use for Tiny ten trophy animals which are exclusively hunted for the trophy not the meat(although it is utilized as a by product of the hunt)....so why are you advising on something you clearly know nothing about?

Stick to meat hunting if that is what you prefer.

 

[JLF]

I said .375 H&H with solid tips .... I didn't say .338 with solid tips .. I repeat again you can use the 338 with hard tips, to hunt those small animals .. Not knowing how to do it is something else ... power can be done. Read well...

 

[JLF]

La caza de carne o el trofeo no difiere mucho, en una prioridad se le da a la carne y en la otra para tener cuidado de no arruinar la estética del animal, y dependiendo de la parte utilizada, el tiro debe colocarse ... Una punta dura a baja velocidad, actúa como una boquilla, y más en animales de piel suave, la base del cuello, repito, la base del cuello, es decir, donde nace el cuello, unión entre el cuerpo y el cuerpo. cuello, es un tiro limpio que no estropeará al animal ... El tiro tiene que ser quirúrgico, hay que encontrar el ángulo correcto, como la mayoría de los disparos de caza tienen que serlo.
Se puede practicar usando un calcetín de nylon para mujeres con harina en el interior, es mucho más delicado que el cuello de uno de estos animales ... Cuando se encuentra la punta y la carga perfecta estará lista.
Con el tiempo aprendí que no es necesaria una gran cantidad de calibres, la recarga, las pruebas y la práctica son suficientes ...

 

[Red Leg]

I said .375 H&H with solid tips .... I didn't say .338 with solid tips .. I repeat again you can use the 338 with hard tips, to hunt those small animals .. Not knowing how to do it is something else ... power can be done. Read well...

The internet is a wonderful thing.

I am debating the best way to hunt the Tiny 10 with someone who has never even been to Africa much less actually laid eyes on a duiker or a Dik Dik of any form. Rather like arguing history with a millennial.

If you want to (safely) download a .338 to 2200 fps and make it your dedicated Tiny 10 rifle, then do it. Of course, It will be pretty much useless for anything else. - but it would be your rifle and your safari. However, even at that velocity, if you hit bone with a soft point, whatever its construction, you likely will destroy the cape. If you actually managed to hit the neck, as you recommend, most of these little guys will be decapitated with such a load. It is why anyone with any experience hunting these animals thinks a light for caliber .338 bullet is a bad option.

If you wish to use a .338, then centering one , with a 250 grain solid (assuming you could find them) from the same .338 rifle would indeed be a possible choice - similar to doing the same from a .375. And the hunter wouldn't have to attempt this downloading nonsense.

Trying to make neck shots on such tiny fragile targets is an uninformed notion regardless of the caliber.

You are free to believe whatever you care to. My only concern is that someone else who has never hunted them, but looking for useful information, might assume your recommendation is based upon some relevant

El internet es una cosa maravillosa.

Estoy debatiendo la mejor manera de cazar el Tiny 10 con alguien que nunca ha estado en África y mucho menos que haya visto a un duiker o un Dik Dik de cualquier forma. Más bien como discutir la historia con un milenio.

Si desea descargar (de forma segura) un .338 a 2200 fps y convertirlo en su rifle Tiny 10 dedicado, hágalo. Por supuesto, será prácticamente inútil para cualquier otra cosa. - Pero sería tu rifle y tu safari. Sin embargo, incluso a esa velocidad, si golpeas el hueso con un punto blando, sea cual sea su construcción, es probable que destruyas la capa. Si realmente logró golpear el cuello, como lo recomienda, la mayoría de estos pequeños individuos serán decapitados con tal carga. Es por eso que cualquier persona con experiencia en la caza de estos animales piensa que una luz para bala calibre .338 es una mala opción.

Si desea utilizar un .338, centrar uno, con un sólido de 250 granos (suponiendo que pueda encontrarlos) del mismo rifle .338 sería una opción posible, similar a hacer lo mismo con un .375. Y el cazador no tendría que intentar esta descarga sin sentido.

Tratar de hacer tiros en el cuello en objetivos tan pequeños y frágiles es una noción mal informada, independientemente del calibre.

Eres libre de creer lo que quieras. Mi única preocupación es que alguien más que nunca los haya cazado, pero que busque información útil, pueda asumir que su recomendación se basa en alguna información relevante.

 

[Red Leg]

La caza de carne o el trofeo no difiere mucho, en una prioridad se le da a la carne y en la otra para tener cuidado de no arruinar la estética del animal, y dependiendo de la parte utilizada, el tiro debe colocarse ... Una punta dura a baja velocidad, actúa como una boquilla, y más en animales de piel suave, la base del cuello, repito, la base del cuello, es decir, donde nace el cuello, unión entre el cuerpo y el cuerpo. cuello, es un tiro limpio que no estropeará al animal ... El tiro tiene que ser quirúrgico, hay que encontrar el ángulo correcto, como la mayoría de los disparos de caza tienen que serlo.
Se puede practicar usando un calcetín de nylon para mujeres con harina en el interior, es mucho más delicado que el cuello de uno de estos animales ... Cuando se encuentra la punta y la carga perfecta estará lista.
Con el tiempo aprendí que no es necesaria una gran cantidad de calibres, la recarga, las pruebas y la práctica son suficientes ...

I understand exactly what you are saying. I use that shot on whitetail deer very often. It is a ridiculous shot choice for something as tiny as these animals. Hit the junction of neck vertebrae and shoulder bones with any sort of SP from a mid-caliber rifle or larger and you will destroy the front half of such a small animal. And if you don't want to believe that - fine. I urge you to go to Africa and try out your theory on the first Suni you encounter.

Entiendo exactamente lo que estás diciendo. Yo uso ese tiro en el venado cola blanca muy a menudo. Es una elección ridícula para algo tan pequeño como estos animales. Golpee la unión de las vértebras del cuello y los huesos del hombro con cualquier tipo de SP de un rifle de calibre medio o más grande y destruirá la mitad frontal de un animal tan pequeño. Y si no quieres creer eso, está bien. Te insto a que vayas a África y pruebes tu teoría sobre el primer Suni que encuentres.

 

[Ridgewalker]

The smallest Africa game I have taken were:
duiker-375 H&H 300 solid at 20 yards, ran another 20-30 and down
caracal-375 H&H 250 Barnes TTSX (all I had) facing me at 30 yards so I took a low belly shot, DRT, bullet is still going some where, but little damage (I’ll take luck any day to skill!)
3 jackals-375 H&H 300 Hornady FMJ, never recovered any, but they are somewhere dead. I was told to gut shoot them to preserve the hides...should have heart/lunged them in hindsight.

 

[JLF]

So I will ... in the first hunt in Africa, after I managed to catch an antelope, if I can find it, I will try to catch a little .... ha ... I calculate that in 7 days hunting I can find one.

 

[Dewald]

I have shot two grey or common duiker with a .300 Sherwood. It worked splendid, and it was fun to hunt with the little BSA Martini falling block rifle. Incidentally the rifle used to belong to Fred Everett, and his wife Sue used it on Zebra.

Otherwise I can think of few things better than a 9,3x62 with a 286gr solid at 2250-2300fps