Anyone run a muzzle brake-suppressor combo on a .375?

[MontanaPat]

My 375 HH is a Win M70 Safari Express that weighs about 9.5 lbs. When I shoot it at the range using a bench rest you definitely feel the recoil but I attribute a lot of that to the fact that the butt end is hitting higher on my shoulder due to leaning into the shooting bench. When I shoot it standing up off of sticks I don’t notice the recoil at all and find it pleasant to shoot

 

[Sarg]

If you are running a suppressor you do not need a muzzle break as it also reduces muzzle lift.

Every body hates the muzzle break except maybe the shooter, deafening on all & dangerous in some calibers if you get too near a port, seen windows blower out & car bonnets damaged.

Suppressors are great where legal & set up correctly, I was anti them unless you were shooting big slugs at subsonic speeds in a rifle for a special purpose but after using many Im now a convert.

More & more hunting properties & even just farms in general wont let hunters on their place without one.

Oh another benefit is you don’t need hearing protection & can just shoot if an opportunity turns up, no messing about putting on muffs or plugs, movement & time !

We have many many lost opportunities each season from this & the old guys (I’m one) just can’t hear or miss hear instructions !

 

[BeeMaa]

I am shooting the .375 now... and I do agree, the more I shoot, the more comfortable I am with it.
And I am limiting my shooting with it... 3-5 rounds at a time. So I completely agree that with time, I'll be able to handle it as well as my smaller rifles.

I do think your advice is very sound. And you speak from experience. So I appreciate that.

But, to be devil's advocate, why save it for a 460WBY? Why not save it for a 50 cal or larger?
This all seems very subjective to me.

If you want recoil reduction for caliber X, you just need more time to get used to it, you just need to toughen up (no one has said this on this forum to me, but there's that sentiment in the shooting world, for sure).

But at some point, it's okay for recoil reduction for caliber Y.... just not for X.

Why is one okay, but another is not?

The 460WBY reference was more sarcasm than anything else.

I would not condone shooting a rifle with a muzzle brake of any kind on any caliber when others will be present for the sake of their hearing. If you are alone, knock yourself out.

 

[flying sailor]

When I booked my first hunt the PH asked two questions: What cartridge are you using? ( .300 WM) and does it have a muzzle brake? . ( No) He smiled and said I would do fine. He was right of course.

 

[Daisy]

I like the idea. I use a suppressor on my 375 and suppressor plus brake on my 416. I say use both and have fun.

 

[BigKev15]

With regards to your post, I can say that all, all of my hunting rifles from my .223 (varmints) to my 7MM Saki, my 300 PRC and my 375 Ruger all wear muzzle brakes that have a QD (quick disconnect) thread, This allows me to take the Silencer Co. Suppressor and move it from gun to gun in less than 30 seconds. The same rifles can be shot with or without the can without a major point of aim / point of impact change. I enjoy both the ability to shoot without hearing protection as well as the felt "reduced recoil". Several of the concessions that I've hunted on in the RSA wouldn't allow rifles with "just" a muzzle brake due to the noise. I'm sure your PH can make the necessary arrangement to visit concessions that allow muzzle brakes if that's what your rifle wears.

 

[C.W. Richter]

As I say to people i come across shooting a 270 or 30-06 using a Lead Sled at rifle ranges (LMAO,) the 375 HH is one of the most pleasurable calibers to shoot (unless in some sort of black plastic POS American trim that's too light.) Why? (This train of thought got DJT elected again, so go with it!) LOL I was shooting a 3006 comfortably as a 10 y/o kid, and so should you. The guns I want a brake on are extreme long range shooters. The muffler I'm warming up to on certain properties, but not in Africa. When I see a highway or utility lines in the background on some RSA game farm (requiring mufflers,) I just shy away. Some deer properties in the USA would benefit from 'em...Guiness Book for longest bbl in a sporting arm would be a prize, though! Never saw such a setup. We'll assume the brake comes after the muffler.? lol

 

[M70375!]

I think "comfortable" is subjective.

I didn't grow up shooting much, and the .375 is not comfortable to me. I'm 6'3" and can manage it just fine, but I'd rather use current technology that makes shooting more enjoyable for me. I'm okay with that.
We have technology that can do that with a muzzle brake (reduced felt recoil) and a suppressor (that hopefully mitigates the increased noise from the muzzle brake while adding even more reduction in felt recoil).

So why not utilize it?

Don't let anyone talk down to you about muzzle brakes, the PHs that I have hunted with have no problem with them, not every one hates them , as some people say. Just be considerate when using one in the bush with people around you, I bring extra electronic hearing enhancers/protectors and give them to anyone who wants them.

 

[wysongdog]

Thunder Beast now makes a 375 caliber suppressor with or without a muzzle brake.

https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/magnus

I have this sitting at my gun guy. Waiting for my trust paperwork to be approved. Am excited to see how it works. I run suppressors on as much as I can so much easier on the ears.

 

[BeeMaa]

Don't let anyone talk down to you about muzzle brakes, the PHs that I have hunted with have no problem with them, not every one hates them , as some people say. Just be considerate when using one in the bush with people around you, I bring extra electronic hearing enhancers/protectors and give them to anyone who wants them.

Just because a PH says they don't have a problem with you using muzzle brake doesn't mean anything. Being a PH is much more than just protecting and guiding the client.

They do everything from sell the safari, organize the camps, vehicle maintenance, camp maintenance and a whole lot more. But by far their biggest job is as a professional customer service representative to the client. They are the one person put in charge of making sure the client is taken care of to an incredibly high standard. I'm not saying the PH's you've asked about this are liars, but I'd like to hear the conversations they have with their fellow PH's when the clients are gone. I'd bet dimes to dollars there's a different story when the rifles are put away and the clients are on their way home.

Every single PH I've spoken with has told me that they have a preference for the client NOT having a break on their rifle. However, they will tolerate it and even endorse it if the client is all psyched about using his new 460WBY (or whatever cartridge they have) with a brake. It's simply one of the many hazards of the job. Don't be fooled into thinking they don't want to avoid it.

You do as you wish as I'm highly unlikely to feel the effects of you using a break on my safari. I'll continue to not use a brake and save the hearing of not only my PH and tracker, but myself as well. That hearing could be quite valuable in tracking a wounded animal for the safety of the entire hunting party.

 

[Bandera]

Running a Hybrid 46 DT on a Ruger African in 375 Ruger.
I had to buy an extra Bravo mount from ECCO due to the goofy thread pitch Ruger used. I thought about having the barrel cut to 20” and the proper thread pitch added, but for now just shooting it.

 

[WI-2021]

I'm a little unclear on whether the OP was referring to using a muzzle brake as a suppressor mount (where the can completely covers the brake) or one of the newer suppressors with a built in brake on the front end like the Silencerco Scythe-Ti or TBAC Magnus options. Regardless, I have both types for different rifles.

One of my .375's, a 20" Ruger Alaskan, is threaded. On that rifle, I have a Griffin EZ Brake which serves as a mount for a Rex Silentium MG7. It's still fairly loud with the suppressor, but much quieter than it would be with a bare muzzle. The MG7 is a small suppressor, so it's expected that it won't be particularly quiet. The fact that both the can and brake are bored for .458 doesn't help either when it comes to maximizing suppression. Balance is affected, of course, but not too badly, and overall length with the can is similar to a 26" barreled rifle. I can still see the iron sights over the suppressor, if needed. Without just the brake, the rifle is not substantially louder than my .375 with a bare muzzle to the shooter. I'm sure it's a different story off to the side though. The EZ Brake is very small and isn't a particularly effective brake; it's main purpose in life is to provide a quick, secure means of mounting a suppressor.

I'm in the middle of building another .375 Ruger, detailed in another thread. That one will initially also use the MG7, but eventually I'll probably pick up a dedicated .375 can made from titantium for it. That will be a larger, yet lighter, can in an effort to quiet it down a bit more. I'm considering an 8" Ecco Accipiter-Ti, unless something more appealing comes along between now and when I buy one. Can't have too many suppressors.

As far as suppressors with a brake on the front, I have a .30 caliber Silencerco Scythe-Ti that primarily lives on my .300WM. It mounts on a TBAC CB brake and has the included anchor brake on the front, so I actually have a brake on each end of that suppressor. As described, that setup is impressively quiet, especially considering that it's a fairly small can. It's not much larger or heavier than my TBAC Ultra-5, but much quieter. The anchor brake does reduce recoil based on comparing to shooting the same rifle with the Ultra-5. I haven't used the Scythe-Ti without the anchor brake, so I can't make an apples to apples comparison of it with and without the brake. Flat end caps are available, I just haven't felt the need to buy one. Maximum recoil reduction is achieved by just using the CB brake with no suppressor, but the blast from that brake is obnoxious. If I were hunting with that rifle and couldn't use a suppressor I'd definitely remove the brake.

 

[Red Leg]

With regards to your post, I can say that all, all of my hunting rifles from my .223 (varmints) to my

7MM Saki, my 300 PRC and my 375 Ruger all wear muzzle brakes that have a QD (quick disconnect) thread, This allows me to take the Silencer Co. Suppressor and move it from gun to gun in less than 30 seconds. The same rifles can be shot with or without the can without a major point of aim / point of impact change. I enjoy both the ability to shoot without hearing protection as well as the felt "reduced recoil". Several of the concessions that I've hunted on in the RSA wouldn't allow rifles with "just" a muzzle brake due to the noise. I'm sure your PH can make the necessary arrangement to visit concessions that allow muzzle brakes if that's what your rifle wears.

Don't let anyone talk down to you about muzzle brakes, the PHs that I have hunted with have no problem with them, not every one hates them , as some people say. Just be considerate when using one in the bush with people around you, I bring extra electronic hearing enhancers/protectors and give them to anyone who wants them.

Muzzle brakes, whether sharing a range with one or forcing a PH and tracker to have to cope with one, are an abomination to be around. Of course, your PH won't say anything. He needs the business while the poor tracker has no choice. I personally have never met a PH or guide that didn't absolutely loathe the things.

Additionally, I genuinely hope I never have to hunt an area in Africa so civilized that one is required to use a suppressor.

 

[Red Leg]

I'm a little unclear on whether the OP was referring to using a muzzle brake as a suppressor mount (where the can completely covers the brake) or one of the newer suppressors with a built in brake on the front end like the Silencerco Scythe-Ti or TBAC Magnus options. Regardless, I have both types for different rifles.

One of my .375's, a 20" Ruger Alaskan, is threaded. On that rifle, I have a Griffin EZ Brake which serves as a mount for a Rex Silentium MG7. It's still fairly loud with the suppressor, but much quieter than it would be with a bare muzzle. The MG7 is a small suppressor, so it's expected that it won't be particularly quiet. The fact that both the can and brake are bored for .458 doesn't help either when it comes to maximizing suppression. Balance is affected, of course, but not too badly, and overall length with the can is similar to a 26" barreled rifle. I can still see the iron sights over the suppressor, if needed. Without just the brake, the rifle is not substantially louder than my .375 with a bare muzzle to the shooter. I'm sure it's a different story off to the side though. The EZ Brake is very small and isn't a particularly effective brake; it's main purpose in life is to provide a quick, secure means of mounting a suppressor.

I'm in the middle of building another .375 Ruger, detailed in another thread. That one will initially also use the MG7, but eventually I'll probably pick up a dedicated .375 can made from titantium for it. That will be a larger, yet lighter, can in an effort to quiet it down a bit more. I'm considering an 8" Ecco Accipiter-Ti, unless something more appealing comes along between now and when I buy one. Can't have too many suppressors.

As far as suppressors with a brake on the front, I have a .30 caliber Silencerco Scythe-Ti that primarily lives on my .300WM. It mounts on a TBAC CB brake and has the included anchor brake on the front, so I actually have a brake on each end of that suppressor. As described, that setup is impressively quiet, especially considering that it's a fairly small can. It's not much larger or heavier than my TBAC Ultra-5, but much quieter. The anchor brake does reduce recoil based on comparing to shooting the same rifle with the Ultra-5. I haven't used the Scythe-Ti without the anchor brake, so I can't make an apples to apples comparison of it with and without the brake. Flat end caps are available, I just haven't felt the need to buy one. Maximum recoil reduction is achieved by just using the CB brake with no suppressor, but the blast from that brake is obnoxious. If I were hunting with that rifle and couldn't use a suppressor I'd definitely remove the brake.

I have three suppressors. One for squirrels (we produce pecans) one matched with a thermal for pigs, and one on a repel boarders AR. Otherwise, I have no use for them on anything that I shoot - certainly not on a DG rifle to tote through the jess. Out of curiosity, where and for what do you intend to use these rifles?

 

[Philip Glass]

Just curious if anyone runs a muzzle brake-suppressor combo on a .375 H&H?

I know a few exist as modular units together from the same manufacturer intended to run together, I've seen a muzzle brake from one company and a suppressor from another company used together.

I'd love your experience and recommendations.

The new ones from Thunderbeast have it available. I want to get one but have yet to pull the trigger. TBAC are superior to many on the market

 

[WI-2021]

I have three suppressors. One for squirrels (we produce pecans) one matched with a thermal for pigs, and one on a repel boarders AR. Otherwise, I have no use for them on anything that I shoot - certainly not on a DG rifle to tote through the jess. Out of curiosity, where and for what do you intend to use these rifles?

The .375's are, at least at this time, toys for me. At some point, I may have a legitimate use for them, though I don't consider having a legitimate use to be a necessity; I have them because I enjoy them. Eventually I may use the .375 for elk, moose, or large PG. I'll probably even take it for whitetail sometime just because I can.

I'm not sure I'd want to use a can on a DG rifle either, but I'm also not so sure I'll ever hunt DG. As a guy with no experience in that realm, I can still certainly see that a fast handling rifle would be a necessity and a suppressor could interfere with that. If I ever do hunt DG, the suppressor (and brake/mount) may be removed first.

As for the suppressed .300 WM, .308, 6.5 PRC, .223; their uses are hunting, target shooting, general entertainment. I also have suppressed rimfires and AR's for much the same reasons you do, though unfortunately pecans don't grow so well here. In the end, I just prefer to shoot suppressed, at least as far as rifles are concerned, and my rifles are set up with that in mind.

 

[flying sailor]

Just because a PH says they don't have a problem with you using muzzle brake doesn't mean anything. Being a PH is much more than just protecting and guiding the client.

They do everything from sell the safari, organize the camps, vehicle maintenance, camp maintenance and a whole lot more. But by far their biggest job is as a professional customer service representative to the client. They are the one person put in charge of making sure the client is taken care of to an incredibly high standard. I'm not saying the PH's you've asked about this are liars, but I'd like to hear the conversations they have with their fellow PH's when the clients are gone. I'd bet dimes to dollars there's a different story when the rifles are put away and the clients are on their way home.

Every single PH I've spoken with has told me that they have a preference for the client NOT having a break on their rifle. However, they will tolerate it and even endorse it if the client is all psyched about using his new 460WBY (or whatever cartridge they have) with a brake. It's simply one of the many hazards of the job. Don't be fooled into thinking they don't want to avoid it.

You do as you wish as I'm highly unlikely to feel the effects of you using a break on my safari. I'll continue to not use a brake and save the hearing of not only my PH and tracker, but myself as well. That hearing could be quite valuable in tracking a wounded animal for the safety of the entire hunting party.

When I booked my first hunt last August, my PH asked what cartridge I would be using. When I told him it was 300 Win Mag he said that would be fine, and I added it had no brake. He smiled and said that was even better. I know at least one that doesn't care to stand next to a rifle with a muzzle brake .

 

[BeeMaa]

I have three suppressors. One for squirrels (we produce pecans) one matched with a thermal for pigs, and one on a repel boarders AR. Otherwise, I have no use for them on anything that I shoot - certainly not on a DG rifle to tote through the jess. Out of curiosity, where and for what do you intend to use these rifles?

I have two suppressors. A rimfire that gets switched between a rifle and pistol depending on the situation but it's always for varmints. The other is on my AR for the same reason your is.