Any of you stop a charge with a handgun?

I care about the professional views and lived experiences of famous people who documented their experiences with proof and have the chops like Tim Sundles, Lynn Thompson, Ron Spomer, Phil Shomaker, Mark Sullivan, Jack Huntington, John Linebaugh, Timmy Winslow etc. Not random people online.

Lynn Thompson has killed around 50,000 animals. He also killed cape buffalo with a spear. I'll take his advice and opinions over yours.

I like the opinions of others but they have to be professionals with decades of experience and their hunts and accomplishments have to be made public for the world to see. Far too many imposters out there on the internet.

Now, what makes your opinions more valuable and factual than all the far more accomplished people above? Any proof?
You need to go hunting with some professional guides and real PHs. It’d change your perspective. Outdoor celebrities and those marketing for their business tend to present things the way they’d like. You really seem to want to believe the marketing from the questions you keep asking on this forum.
 
You need to go hunting with some professional guides and real PHs. It’d change your perspective. Outdoor celebrities and those marketing for their business tend to present things the way they’d like. You really seem to want to believe the marketing from the questions you keep asking on this forum.
Mark Sullivan and Kevin Robertson are real guides.

But, you need to go out hunting alone where you don't have to rely on guides and PH's to save you and watch your back for you. Learn some independence. Go hunt to collect your own meat to feed yourself and your family. Learn how to skin the animal, pack the meat up and carry it back home and not have everyone else do it for you.
 
Oh boy. And where is this VFW club full of military veterans who wear handguns while rifle hunting deer? Mars? Okay, I admit during Montana hunting season I do rarely see Mr Dress-up types wearing handguns ... but their trucks usually don't wear Montana plates. Or if they do, they haven't been wearing them very long. Just as well walk around with a neon sign on their backsides: "Look at me! I'm a greenhorn fool." Or a red nose and big floppy shoes. :D :D :D
When I did my lethal weapon training, the instructor hammered into our heads a pistol only has a effective range of 15 feet, when we went for the weapon test I was amazed at the number of people who failed the test, at 15 feet, a pistol is good for snakes and if your “ spydie senses “ are on highest level against hogs and bears, humans and pistol is in hand
I had the neighbors pit bull mix attack the outside cat and ripped its ear off , it was still in the yard when I hit it with a 1oz load of #6 20ga , to CMA , I called the S.D animal control officer, she came out to investigate, and the dog came after her , she missed all 14 times at 5 feet but it did stop her from getting bitten, a trained LEO missing @ 5 yards to 5 feet on a moving target just kinda makes me wonder how effective a side arm is for defense against animals, when she went to her cruiser for a shotgun . I took care of the dog with my .22 mag as it was trying to get back through the hole in the fence. Total shit show , 4 LEO’s in my yard with little orange cones and measuring tapes , measuring from bloody spot to empty shell casings, and from my house door to dead dog ! ( 42yards)
 
Mark Sullivan and Kevin Robertson are real guides.

But, you need to go out hunting alone where you don't have to rely on guides and PH's to save you and watch your back for you. Learn some independence. Go hunt to collect your own meat to feed yourself and your family. Learn how to skin the animal, pack the meat up and carry it back home and not have everyone else do it for you.
I’ll pretend that’s what you think you do, but I know what I’ve done. I thought you were about 15 years old before this thread, now I just question if you even hunt. Mark Sullivan is first and foremost an entertainer. That’s how he gets his business, but you could contact either of them and ask if you need to carry a pistol hunting in Africa for a charge. I don’t think you’ll like the answer.
 
Mark Sullivan and Kevin Robertson are real guides.

But, you need to go out hunting alone where you don't have to rely on guides and PH's to save you and watch your back for you. Learn some independence. Go hunt to collect your own meat to feed yourself and your family. Learn how to skin the animal, pack the meat up and carry it back home and not have everyone else do it for you.
You are a very humerus person, I almost choked on my ice water on this one, and hunting with those two guys, especially the Doctor who has retired from hunting Africa sold his guns and moved to Texas to be a exotic animal vet over 7 years ago.
“Smooth move exlax “
 
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When I did my lethal weapon training, the instructor hammered into our heads a pistol only has a effective range of 15 feet, when we went for the weapon test I was amazed at the number of people who failed the test, at 15 feet, a pistol is good for snakes and if your “ spydie senses “ are on highest level against hogs and bears, humans and pistol is in hand
I had the neighbors pit bull mix attack the outside cat and ripped its ear off , it was still in the yard when I hit it with a 1oz load of #6 20ga , to CMA , I called the S.D animal control officer, she came out to investigate, and the dog came after her , she missed all 14 times at 5 feet but it did stop her from getting bitten, a trained LEO missing @ 5 yards to 5 feet on a moving target just kinda makes me wonder how effective a side arm is for defense against animals, when she went to her cruiser for a shotgun . I took care of the dog with my .22 mag as it was trying to get back through the hole in the fence. Total shit show , 4 LEO’s in my yard with little orange cones and measuring tapes , measuring from bloody spot to empty shell casings, and from my house door to dead dog ! ( 42yards)
That has to do with a training issue, not the firearm or caliber itself.

When did this event take place with the female cop and dog? Was this back in the 1950's and 1960's when men were allowed to be men or did this take place the last 15 years with DEI woke hiring and lowering the standards to fill quotas and check boxes?

How far will a 45 acp kill?...

How far will a 9mm kill?...
 
I’ll pretend that’s what you think you do, but I know what I’ve done. I thought you were about 15 years old before this thread, now I just question if you even hunt. Mark Sullivan is first and foremost an entertainer. That’s how he gets his business, but you could contact either of them and ask if you need to carry a pistol hunting in Africa for a charge. I don’t think you’ll like the answer.
Mark Sullivan is not an entertainer. But, let's compare him and his accomplishments in Africa to yours. One of his double barrel rifles is worth more than all your rifles combined. :cool:
 
You are a very humerus person, I almost choked on my ice water on this one, and hunting with those two guys, especially the Doctor who has retired from hunting Africa sold his guns and moved to Texas to be a exotic animal vet
“Smooth move exlax “
"Humerus" ? You struggle with basic English...

Did you mean "humorous" ?

Because humerus means: "a long bone in the arm that runs from the shoulder to the elbow. It connects the scapula and the two bones of the lower arm, the radius and ulna, and consists of three sections."
 
A lot of people are jealous of Mark Sullivan, he has videos all over the internet documenting his hunts, stopping lots of charges from cape buffalo up close. I've never seen a video of any of you on here stopping a charge from a cape buffalo.
 
Tim Sundles (owner of Buffalobore Ammo) who also owns his own hunting ranch in South Africa talked to Lynn Thompson about all the fake wannabes online who think they're experts and who are jealous of Mark Sullivan...

@ 10:22 in the video below...
 
Mark Sullivan is not an entertainer. But, let's compare him and his accomplishments in Africa to yours. One of his double barrel rifles is worth more than all your rifles combined. :cool:
"Humerus" ? You struggle with basic English...

Did you mean "humorous" ?

Because humerus means: "a long bone in the arm that runs from the shoulder to the elbow. It connects the scapula and the two bones of the lower arm, the radius and ulna, and consists of three sections."
Sorry for the autocorrect, because the only way I would include a bone with you is about you being a bone headed booby , your views make me cringe
The cop was female but I don’t think that has anything to do with the fact she missed the dog ,
I’m convinced you’re a developmentally challenged kid posting nonsense
Tim Sundles Is a joke, the guy was arrested for poisoning animals ( dogs, house cats, ect ) because he was scared a pack wolves wanted to attack him.
He made his bones providing obscure ammunition, but is still a major tool , sorry that your heroes all have YouTube channels
 
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Sorry for the autocorrect, because the only way would include a bone with you is about you being a bone headed booby , your views make me cringe
The cop was female but I don’t think that has anything to do with the fact she missed the dog ,
I’m convinced you’re a developmentally challenged kid posting nonsense
No, you just are not good with basic english is all. You have a low IQ.

The cop couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. The gun and caliber was not the problem. It's a training issue. Standards have been lowered since the U.S. created affirmative action and racial quotas. It got worse under Barack Hussein Obama. Things might slowly get better now that the Supreme Court struck down affirmative action, Kamala Harris losing the election and President Trump repealing Lyndon Johnson's EO about diversity hiring and getting rid of the woke DEI out of U.S. institutions.
 
Sorry for the autocorrect, because the only way would include a bone with you is about you being a bone headed booby , your views make me cringe
The cop was female but I don’t think that has anything to do with the fact she missed the dog ,
I’m convinced you’re a developmentally challenged kid posting nonsense
Tim Sundles Is a joke, the guy was arrested for poisoning animals ( dogs, house cats, ect ) because he was scared a pack wolves wanted to attack him.
He made his bones providing obscure ammunition, but is still a major tool , sorry that your heroes all have YouTube channels
Go say it public and post your real name and address and see if you want to be held libel.

Tim Sundles is far more accomplished than you are and has done more for the gun and hunting industry than you ever will. Go challenge him publicly, go debate him live and say it to his face instead of hiding online like a coward.

A former employee of Underwood Ammo has come forward publicly to tell how Underwood copied Buffalobore...

Former Underwood Ammo account manager Caleb Barnett joins Tim Sundles of Buffalo Bore to reveal what he says really happened behind the scenes — from copied loads and questionable testing practices...
 
Two worst hangun recoil ever experienced by me was tc contender in 30-30 single shot, and some 44 magnum revolver from 2 inch barrel.
While contender had at least some meaningful accuracy, 44 mag snub nose did not at all.

I wonder, if putting some real dg caliber in a handgun, how that would feel? This all reduces a meaningful purpose.

One other thing i noticed. Multiple guns in a single outing during the hunt, bring a bit of confusion, and dealays in changing the hand. I found that having one trusty gun, on a single stalk, makes me focused on best practical use of that particular weapon.
So, for me, i would choose best practical rifle, and caliber for specific dg hunt.
This is for Africa.

At home, once a bear saw with cub was visting my feeder in hunting area.
When i was refillimg the feeder with corn, i carried 7.62x25 tokarev.
But i did not fool my self, with some stopping power of that pistol.
Shooting the brain, with enough accuracy during eventual charge was my hope for such event.
However the charge never happened.
7.62 mm TT has high penetration, and would pass the scull.
Thats it.
Exactly, it's been my experience, with bear anyway. Even if you practice transition from rifle to pistol, you hesitate to decide if reloading your rifle or pulling your pistol is the best choice. When half seconds count, better to concentrate on only one gun and keep your eyes on the animal.
 
Go say it public and post your real name and address and see if you want to be held libel.

Tim Sundles is far more accomplished than you are and has done more for the gun and hunting industry than you ever will. Go challenge him publicly, go debate him live and say it to his face instead of hiding online like a coward.

A former employee of Underwood Ammo has come forward publicly to tell how Underwood copied Buffalobore...

Former Underwood Ammo account manager Caleb Barnett joins Tim Sundles of Buffalo Bore to reveal what he says really happened behind the scenes — from copied loads and questionable testing practices...
I doubt he could win a defamation suit against anyone, because he was arrested, found guilty in a court of law, banned from entering federal land by a jury of his peers.
He is a criminal and a tool according to the law .
LOL some hero !
 
I doubt he could win a defamation suit against anyone, because he was arrested, found guilty in a court of law, banned from entering federal land by a jury of his peers.
He is a criminal and a tool according to the law .
LOL some hero !
He's a multi-millionaire with large estates in Wyoming, Montana and South Africa that puts yours to shame. What are your accomplishments and net-worth compared to his?
 
pilar, I'm just going to put you on block/ignore now so your posts will no longer be on my screen. *CLICK*
 
To recap...

I went back and re-read my original post on page one of this thread I started. No where did I ever advocate for using only a handgun to stop a charge and I never claimed a handgun was superior in stopping power compared to a rifle caliber. In fact, I mentioned how I would take a double-barrel rifle over a bolt-action rifle or handgun specifically in pursuing wounded dangerous game. I simply posted videos of proof that handguns have and do stop charges from cape buffalo which is proven...

@ 2:10 in the video below...

I also mentioned how I don't feel comfortable using a bolt-action to pursue wounded dangerous game not because of the rifle caliber but, because of the operating mechanism of the bolt. Of course, a 500 Jeffery bullet in a bolt-action can stop a charge, I just don't feel comfortable trying to manipulate a bolt-action in a high stress situation if facing a charge. The rifle cartridge itself is good and effective, just not the rifle's operating system. I posted a video of an experienced hunter who struggled to manipulate the bolt-action during a charge on Big Game Hunting podcast.

I simply asked if anyone ever used a handgun to stop a charge against dangerous game and their personal experiences. The responses were as if I challenged their religion or something, was bizarre. People got hyper defensive Then I started to get crazy anti-handgun political propaganda that you get from Leftists, and crazy claims that you don't ever need to have a sidearm on you for protection if you have a rifle or, that bear spray is more effective in stopping a brown bear than a powerful handgun caliber, that only a few select members of the military are issued a sidearm, people posting photos of their military medals from decades ago to try to give their claims validity and saying how they beat people up in bars when they were in their 20's. Crazy.

Then people started attacking Mark Sullivan who has many videos of himself online stopping charges from cape buffalo at his feet and people attacking Tim Sundles. I have not seen any videos of anyone here stopping a charge with any weapon let alone a rifle they love so much.
 
Foxi, it is interesting that you laugh at the notion of drawing bear/pepper spray while you admit that a firearm was/would have been ineffective in your scenario.

Our reaction time and training are so important. Most of us are sorely lacking.

Efficacy in using any device, Rifle, shotgun, bear spray will depend on the humans skill at handling the device.
Most people who purchase bear spray are never trained to properly use it and do not ever practice. They treat it like a magic wand. Deploy the entire contents of the device long before it could possibly be effective. (Usually in panic). If they took ANY device and used it with the same lack of training and practice they would experience the same ineffective result.

I've seen the direct result of firearms being useless at stopping a DG charge and heard the tales of bear spray being ineffective. I have freinds who have turned Grizzly Bear charges with Bear Spray (Stopped Attacks in the last month). They were prepared and trained in the proper use of the spray device.

Choose your poison, practice with it and stay safe in whatever country and hunt you are on.
You know, Brick, there's a fundamental difference between being prepared for the shot and the attack coming out of the blue. And even if you are prepared, the shots sometimes miss their target and the force of the attacks is enormous; it doesn't even have to be a wild pig weighing over 60 kg.
Fortunately, we have dogs on this hunt, and if they're any good, they will be the first victims and you'll have time to shoot.

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