A very proper first gun for a youth - Pre-64 Winchester with an English stock

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Hello Friends,

I realized this week that this rifle has served its purpose beautifully, but we no longer need it.

When my first child was born I found a circa 1954-1956 pre-64 winchester featherweight in 243. I had a lot of work done to the stock to make it child-suitable. We reduced the bulk in the stock, adjusted comb, length of pull, got a proper red oil finish on it, recut the checkering, and had two quick-change recoil pads made for it. (both London Red, but different lengths). As it is shown, it fits the face of a 5-7 year old child. My daughter took her first red deer with it when she was 5 or 6, then her first bear when she was 8. It then went to my six year old son who took his first several white tail deer with it. It then past to my youngest son who took his first couple of white tail deer with it as 7-8-9 years old.

Well, time has moved on and my kids each have their safari and North America rifles, they are drivers or getting ready to get behind the wheel, and this beautiful rifle just sits in the cabinet.

Its present condition is NRA antique Excellent+, I noted no significant wear other than lightening of the floor plate color which is common.

The gun is offered with Talley bases (it was factory drilled and tapped). To an AH member that is a dad or grandpa, I'll sell the rifle with Talley bases for $2650. I'll include the African sling and the soft leather cheek pad too. (you'll want the pad on the stock until a child is about ten years old and their skull is larger) It also includes the two quick-detach London red pads. One is I think .75" long, the other is 1.25" long. Accuracy was excellent with all but one of this gun being one-shot kills out to just under 200 yards. I may also have some diminished recoil .243 factory hunting loads available for a nominal charge. The felt recoil of this rifle is about 6lbs so zero issues for a young hunter. We also had exceptional results when they were more recoil tolerant with Barnes Factory 80TTSX loads that killed instantly on deer and bear.

If you want it with the 1.25-4x straight tube schmidt and bender optic and the Talley QD LOW 30mm rings, the total package is $3550.

As a bonus (no affiliation, just pointing it out), an AH member put a period correct pre-64 all original stock on the classifieds for a paltry $200 recently. If you get that, you have a gun your child can enjoy until they're 80.

I'm asking simply what I put into it in costs to make a rifle that is 100% reliable for a youth hunter. I trusted it for my three kids and hope it brings another dad or grandfather the same level of enjoyment. Life is too short to shoot low quality guns and honestly, all the youth guns on the market are using the UN definition of a youth: ages 14-26, they just do not fit children.

Free advice: Get your kids excited about guns. Get them to pass hunter safety before they can shoot. Encourage them to hunt before they're addicted to video games and the opposite sex. If I hadn't started my kids at tender ages with this rifle, I wouldn't have ended up with safari and hunting companions in their teen years.

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DAMN ROOKHAWK, GUESS I AM WAY TOO SENTIMENTAL ABOUT MY GUNS. WOUDN'T A GUY HANG ONTO THAT FOR A GRANDCHILD?
 
DAMN ROOKHAWK, GUESS I AM WAY TOO SENTIMENTAL ABOUT MY GUNS. WOUDN'T A GUY HANG ONTO THAT FOR A GRANDCHILD?

The hunts were sentimental, but not the gun per se. My youngest has a stunning 30-06 mauser built by Marholdt Peterlongo that is 100% engraved. There is sentiment with that gun because we drilled and tapped it and did other gunsmtihing together. It's his gun for the rest of his life. My middle son has a custom 7x64 mauser from Germany that he's hunted with it in several countries. We built the pivot mounts together and had storied hunts with that rifle and again, it's his gun that he keeps the rest of his life.

The 243 just doesn't get used since the kids graduated to their own personal guns from a shared youth gun. I figured I'd offer it up here knowing how insanely hard it was to get a gun that was properly scaled for a young hunter. It took me a year of measuring kids noggins and arms to get the dimensions correct for the age 5-11 year old hunter crowd. We did nothing to the gun mechanically, it was an as-new 60+ year old winchester rifle when we got it.

As to grandkids, I hope that's a long way off but then again my daughter's boyfriend is coming over for supper tonight. I want to hate him so badly because its some kid courting my daughter, but he's insanely polite, great student, and is very kind. I pray every day he makes a slip up so I can nail him to a tree but he keeps letting me down with perfect manners. :ROFLMAO:

Dad tip: Every young man needs to leave the household with one "forever" bolt rifle and one double barrel shotgun. Also with a blazer, a couple ties, and some good manners. The rest is up to them.
 
The hunts were sentimental, but not the gun per se. My youngest has a stunning 30-06 mauser built by Marholdt Peterlongo that is 100% engraved. There is sentiment with that gun because we drilled and tapped it and did other gunsmtihing together. It's his gun for the rest of his life. My middle son has a custom 7x64 mauser from Germany that he's hunted with it in several countries. We built the pivot mounts together and had storied hunts with that rifle and again, it's his gun that he keeps the rest of his life.

The 243 just doesn't get used since the kids graduated to their own personal guns from a shared youth gun. I figured I'd offer it up here knowing how insanely hard it was to get a gun that was properly scaled for a young hunter. It took me a year of measuring kids noggins and arms to get the dimensions correct for the age 5-11 year old hunter crowd. We did nothing to the gun mechanically, it was an as-new 60+ year old winchester rifle when we got it.

As to grandkids, I hope that's a long way off but then again my daughter's boyfriend is coming over for supper tonight. I want to hate him so badly because its some kid courting my daughter, but he's insanely polite, great student, and is very kind. I pray every day he makes a slip up so I can nail him to a tree but he keeps letting me down with perfect manners. :ROFLMAO:

Dad tip: Every young man needs to leave the household with one "forever" bolt rifle and one double barrel shotgun. Also with a blazer, a couple ties, and some good manners. The rest is up to them.
Ive met one of @rookhawk teenage children and he and his wife have done an excellent job raising a well mannered intelligent young man with whom you can sit and have an interesting and in depth conversation. I hope my 3 year old is like him at that age.
 
Ive met one of @rookhawk teenage children and he and his wife have done an excellent job raising a well mannered intelligent young man with whom you can sit and have an interesting and in depth conversation. I hope my 3 year old is like him at that age.

That lil' fella certainly is! He went places at 2 years old most people wouldn't bring ten year olds. He knows a lot more about dugga boys than adults as well!
 

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