9.3x62

[smp005]

Is the 9.3x62 legal for DG in Zim?

 

[coreydb]

smp: here is the official copy-paste read out to your question, but my PH wouldn't let me hunt my buffalo and sable with my own 9.3x62. I had to use my brother's .375H&H. It depends on the PH's comfort level with the client.

Zimbabwe categorizes hunting into three different classes and when planning your game hunting safari, you will need to take note of the following info:

• Class A Game: This includes thick-skinned animals, namely elephants, buffalo, and hippos. Hunters must use a weapon with a rifled barrel propelling a projectile not less than 9.2mm (.362 inches) in diameter with a minimum velocity of 3909ft per second.
• Class B Game: This includes thin-skinned animals, namely eland, lion, and giraffe. Hunters must use a weapon with a rifled barrel propelling a projectile not less than 7mm (.275 inches) at a velocity of not less than 3172ft per second
• Class C Game: This classification includes general plains game and members of the Dangerous 7, namely, the leopard, kudu, nyala, sable, waterbuck, zebra, and wildebeest.
• Hunters Black Powder Rifles may be used if they are a minimum caliber of .4 inches.

 

[ACE (in CT)]

Minimum Velocity or Energy?

 

[Nkawu]

Those velocities seem awfully fast- I’m guessing they are meant to have a 1 or a 2 in-front instead of the 3?

 

[OxfordTheCat]

Buffalo I could see, but that's still ticky tacky.

But not letting you use it on sable?
Nonsense.

 

[coreydb]

smp: here is the official copy-paste read out to your question, but my PH wouldn't let me hunt my buffalo and sable with my own 9.3x62. I had to use my brother's .375H&H. It depends on the PH's comfort level with the client.

Zimbabwe categorizes hunting into three different classes and when planning your game hunting safari, you will need to take note of the following info:

• Class A Game: This includes thick-skinned animals, namely elephants, buffalo, and hippos. Hunters must use a weapon with a rifled barrel propelling a projectile not less than 9.2mm (.362 inches) in diameter with a minimum velocity of 3909ft per second.
• Class B Game: This includes thin-skinned animals, namely eland, lion, and giraffe. Hunters must use a weapon with a rifled barrel propelling a projectile not less than 7mm (.275 inches) at a velocity of not less than 3172ft per second
• Class C Game: This classification includes general plains game and members of the Dangerous 7, namely, the leopard, kudu, nyala, sable, waterbuck, zebra, and wildebeest.
• Hunters Black Powder Rifles may be used if they are a minimum caliber of .4 inches.

That was the personal call of my PH. In retrospect, I really think it was out of convenience......I did shoot the sable first....wouldn't you know, and it was a free-range sable

 

[spike.t]

smp: here is the official copy-paste read out to your question, but my PH wouldn't let me hunt my buffalo and sable with my own 9.3x62. I had to use my brother's .375H&H. It depends on the PH's comfort level with the client.

Zimbabwe categorizes hunting into three different classes and when planning your game hunting safari, you will need to take note of the following info:

• Class A Game: This includes thick-skinned animals, namely elephants, buffalo, and hippos. Hunters must use a weapon with a rifled barrel propelling a projectile not less than 9.2mm (.362 inches) in diameter with a minimum velocity of 3909ft per second.
• Class B Game: This includes thin-skinned animals, namely eland, lion, and giraffe. Hunters must use a weapon with a rifled barrel propelling a projectile not less than 7mm (.275 inches) at a velocity of not less than 3172ft per second
• Class C Game: This classification includes general plains game and members of the Dangerous 7, namely, the leopard, kudu, nyala, sable, waterbuck, zebra, and wildebeest.
• Hunters Black Powder Rifles may be used if they are a minimum caliber of .4 inches.

What were his reasons for not allowing you to use your 9.3x62 on sable?.....kinda bullshit to me....OK crossover...but what convenience....

 

[smp005]

Just curious.. I would consider using it on a Buffalo if I could not get close enough with my double but I prefer to get close.. Definitely would use it in croc and all the think skinned stuff.. I could not find the official policy when I searched..

Thanks everyone!

 

[Hyde Hunter]

that 3909 is energy not velocity per the Zim info on this country on this forum

 

[sgt_zim]

smp: here is the official copy-paste read out to your question, but my PH wouldn't let me hunt my buffalo and sable with my own 9.3x62. I had to use my brother's .375H&H. It depends on the PH's comfort level with the client.

Zimbabwe categorizes hunting into three different classes and when planning your game hunting safari, you will need to take note of the following info:

• Class A Game: This includes thick-skinned animals, namely elephants, buffalo, and hippos. Hunters must use a weapon with a rifled barrel propelling a projectile not less than 9.2mm (.362 inches) in diameter with a minimum velocity of 3909ft per second.
• Class B Game: This includes thin-skinned animals, namely eland, lion, and giraffe. Hunters must use a weapon with a rifled barrel propelling a projectile not less than 7mm (.275 inches) at a velocity of not less than 3172ft per second
• Class C Game: This classification includes general plains game and members of the Dangerous 7, namely, the leopard, kudu, nyala, sable, waterbuck, zebra, and wildebeest.
• Hunters Black Powder Rifles may be used if they are a minimum caliber of .4 inches.

for class A, I believe you're going for KE at the muzzle. There isn't a 9.3 rifle made that pushes any weight bullet at 3900 fps.

A 286 gr bullet at 2500 fps yields a bit over 3900 ft lbs at the muzzle

On class B, I'm not certain what that number is. If it's actually velocity, then you're pushing very light bullets out of most cartridges. I would guess 3172 is also KE at the muzzle, but nearly 3200 ft lbs excludes all but the hottest 7mm - I don't even believe you could get there with a 7mm RM and 175 gr pills. 28 Nosler and 7 STW, sure.

 

[coreydb]

I agree....the info is a little confusing

 

[Hyde Hunter]

Buffalo Bore ammo has a Barnes 250 tsx running at 2650 for 3976 pounds of energy, that is the next load I will be working with. but I don't think I will get close to that with a 22 in barrel maybe 2500fps, might have to buy a box and see what happens, when I get my rifle back, having the stocked shortened to 13.5 in lop and a decelerator pad installed

 

[leslie hetrick]

i shot this cow buff in south africa in 2015 with a MS in 9.3x62.

 

[sgt_zim]

i shot this cow buff in south africa in 2015 with a MS in 9.3x62.

I also shot a cow with my Zastava 9.3 last August. A single 286 gr A Frame at 2475 and she was giving her death bellow within a half minute or so.

 

[WAB]

My wife killed her bull in the Zambezi valley with our [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]].x[emoji6]. I loaded [emoji[emoji6]][emoji6] gr Swift A-Frames. It was a one shot kill. Practically I couldn’t see that it gives up anything to a .[emoji[emoji6]][emoji6].

It’s a little tricky making the energy minimum but it can be done.

 

[sgt_zim]

As far as energy goes, a 286 gr at 2400 fps has about the same energy as a standard 450/400 3" at 2050 fps. Nobody would bat an eye at using a 450/400 for DG, so why the issues with 9.3x62?

I completely understand a 450/400 is firing a bullet that's 114 gr heavier than 9.3x62, but so much hay is made of KE.

Nobody'd raise a stink over a 375 Flanged, either. And I can guarantee a competent hand loader can get his 9.3x62 to outperform what a 375 Flanged is capable of.

And are you really getting 2500 or 2550 out of your factory 375 H&H load? In most cases, probably yes. But a 300 gr at 2400 fps generates ~3800 ft lbs of KE, and a 286 at the same MV generates ~3650 ft lbs.

I wouldn't risk a first shot on the shoulder with any of those. But broadside or head-on into the brisket, they're all relatively the same.

 

[Yukontom]

The velocity figures noted are not possible and they are high even for ft./lbs of energy. Maybe they are in Joules?

[th] Bullet mass/type​ [/th][th] Velocity​ [/th][th] Energy​ [/th]​ [td] 230 gr (15 g) Norma Ecostrike​

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Ballistic performance​

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[td]

2,641 ft/s (805 m/s)​

[/td][td]

3,563 ft⋅lbf (4,831 J)​

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[td]

232 gr (15 g) Norma Oryx​

[/td][td]

2,625 ft/s (800 m/s)​

[/td][td]

3,551 ft⋅lbf (4,815 J)​

[/td]​

[td]

275 gr (18 g) Norma Solid​

[/td][td]

2,450 ft/s (750 m/s)​

[/td][td]

3,666 ft⋅lbf (4,970 J)​

[/td]​

[td]

285 gr (18 g) Norma Oryx​

[/td][td]

2,362 ft/s (720 m/s)​

[/td][td]

3,544 ft⋅lbf (4,805 J)​

[/td]​

[td]

286 gr (19 g) Swift A-Frame​

[/td][td]

2,362 ft/s (720 m/s)​

[/td][td]

3,544 ft⋅lbf (4,805 J)​

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[WAB]

My wife killed her bull in the Zambezi valley with our [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]].x[emoji6]. I loaded [emoji[emoji6]][emoji6] gr Swift A-Frames. It was a one shot kill. Practically I couldn’t see that it gives up anything to a .[emoji[emoji6]][emoji6].

It’s a little tricky making the energy minimum but it can be done.

Ok, let’s try this again!

My wife killed her bull in the Zambezi Valley with our nine point three by sixty two. I loaded two hundred and eighty six grain swift aframes. It was a one shot kill. Practically I couldn’t see that it gives up anything to a three seventy five.

It’s a little tricky making the energy minimum, but it can be done.

 

[Flbt]

Just curious.. I would consider using it on a Buffalo if I could not get close enough with my double but I prefer to get close.. Definitely would use it in croc and all the think skinned stuff.. I could not find the official policy when I searched..

Thanks everyone!

Is a croc skin or bones thicker than a gator?
With a brain shot I would thing the most accurate rifle that would get to the brain would be the best

 

[Aussie_Hunter]

smp: here is the official copy-paste read out to your question, but my PH wouldn't let me hunt my buffalo and sable with my own 9.3x62. I had to use my brother's .375H&H. It depends on the PH's comfort level with the client.

Zimbabwe categorizes hunting into three different classes and when planning your game hunting safari, you will need to take note of the following info:

• Class A Game: This includes thick-skinned animals, namely elephants, buffalo, and hippos. Hunters must use a weapon with a rifled barrel propelling a projectile not less than 9.2mm (.362 inches) in diameter with a minimum velocity of 3909ft per second.
• Class B Game: This includes thin-skinned animals, namely eland, lion, and giraffe. Hunters must use a weapon with a rifled barrel propelling a projectile not less than 7mm (.275 inches) at a velocity of not less than 3172ft per second
• Class C Game: This classification includes general plains game and members of the Dangerous 7, namely, the leopard, kudu, nyala, sable, waterbuck, zebra, and wildebeest.
• Hunters Black Powder Rifles may be used if they are a minimum caliber of .4 inches.

The requirement is energy not velocity.

I run 320 grain Woodleighs at 2350fps which meets the energy requirement and most PH's are happy for you to use a 9.3 with the right load.