7.62x39 for hunting? Thoughts? Opinions?

The 7.62X39 is actually a 303 (.311) calibre round. It is a 30-30 equivalent. However I feel the 30-30 is a better killer because of the flat nose. If I did not have ( and I dont here in Aust.) a semi auto to run the Ruskie round in then IMHO you are better off with a 30-30 lever rifle. Just my 2 bobs worth.
 
Just know the limitations of the round. It’s not something I’d ever buy specifically to use as a farm/truck/tractor rifle, but it does a good enough job imitating a .30-30 to be a useful small/medium game round at short distances.
 
I literally just signed up for this site to shed some light on this subject because I see a lot of "I think" and "in my opinion". Well I'll tell you what I know. I've hunted whitetail for 18 years and black bear for 14-15. The 1st three deer took were with my uncle's rem 742 30-06. The first one I shot was a yearling at roughly 15 feet that was looking dead at me. I turned most of its organs to mush and the thing managed to run 65-70 yards! All 3 with the '06 wasted lots of meat. I saved up and had my dad buy me a secondhand marlin 30/30 after that and started hunting with that using 150 grain Winchester soft points and jacketed Hollow points. I don't remember a single deer that I've tracked with that combo. The only bear that ran on me after being hit with a 30/30 softy made it about 35 yards. Countless deer and 7 bear have fallen to that same 30/30 using the same loads with shots ranging from on top of me to 150ish. Well right when I turned 18 I bought a saiga 7.62x39 because they were still plentiful and cheap. Mainly bout it for a plinker but after I realized its accuracy I quickly decided that it was going in the woods with me. I could easily shoot 1 1/2-2 inch groups at 100 with irons so I slapped a decent scope on it and was shooting 2 inches or less at 200. That 1st season I dropped 2 whitetails between 50-100 yards and a nice boar black bear that dropped with a neck shot at 40 or so yards. Killed several hogs with it that year too. The kicker is I've only ever used 123 silver or brown bear "cheapo" Russian hollow points. No they don't explode like regular hp rounds but will mushroom and deform nicely when they hit a shoulder. I've since shot 13 deer with that rifle and 5 black bears and ranges all the way to 190 yards and felt super comfortable doing so. I wouldn't push it further than that though. 2 deer made it less than 40 yards after being shot and 2 bears went 30 or less. Everything else including the hogs I've shot with it have dropped. All with those same ol cheapo rounds. THAT'S WHAT I KNOW from firsthand experience. Deer don't require a small cannon, I can promise you that and I feel extremely comfortable taking medium sized black bears with either rifle and load and I know that it'll tear up way less meat than a .308, 30-06 or bigger. I feel like a lot of this folks will use the biggest guns possible because they aren't the best of shots and figure a .300 win mag will still knock them down with a pisspoor shot not knowing that the mule kicking calibers actually make them worse shots than before because they are flinching. Just my 2 cents on that. I've actually since bought an Ar 10 and my grandfather gave me his Winchester 70 30-06. Neither ever hit the deer or bear woods. I'll take boar with it because I'm not worried about meat wastage with them. So to wrap it up, the 7.62x39 is a great round for medium sized game out to at least 150 yards. If you don't like the thought of the Russian ammo, buy some American made "deer" loads or hand load. I would hand load but brass isn't recommended for the ak action and I run steal. There's plenty of good ones out there now since the 7.62x39 is becoming more popular. Don't let people who have never shot them and are telling you what they think sway your opinion on this load. This will be my 10th year using it along with my ballisticlly similar 30/30. Hope you decide to give this great little round a try!
 
I literally just signed up for this site to shed some light on this subject because I see a lot of "I think" and "in my opinion". Well I'll tell you what I know. I've hunted whitetail for 18 years and black bear for 14-15. The 1st three deer took were with my uncle's rem 742 30-06. The first one I shot was a yearling at roughly 15 feet that was looking dead at me. I turned most of its organs to mush and the thing managed to run 65-70 yards! All 3 with the '06 wasted lots of meat. I saved up and had my dad buy me a secondhand marlin 30/30 after that and started hunting with that using 150 grain Winchester soft points and jacketed Hollow points. I don't remember a single deer that I've tracked with that combo. The only bear that ran on me after being hit with a 30/30 softy made it about 35 yards. Countless deer and 7 bear have fallen to that same 30/30 using the same loads with shots ranging from on top of me to 150ish. Well right when I turned 18 I bought a saiga 7.62x39 because they were still plentiful and cheap. Mainly bout it for a plinker but after I realized its accuracy I quickly decided that it was going in the woods with me. I could easily shoot 1 1/2-2 inch groups at 100 with irons so I slapped a decent scope on it and was shooting 2 inches or less at 200. That 1st season I dropped 2 whitetails between 50-100 yards and a nice boar black bear that dropped with a neck shot at 40 or so yards. Killed several hogs with it that year too. The kicker is I've only ever used 123 silver or brown bear "cheapo" Russian hollow points. No they don't explode like regular hp rounds but will mushroom and deform nicely when they hit a shoulder. I've since shot 13 deer with that rifle and 5 black bears and ranges all the way to 190 yards and felt super comfortable doing so. I wouldn't push it further than that though. 2 deer made it less than 40 yards after being shot and 2 bears went 30 or less. Everything else including the hogs I've shot with it have dropped. All with those same ol cheapo rounds. THAT'S WHAT I KNOW from firsthand experience. Deer don't require a small cannon, I can promise you that and I feel extremely comfortable taking medium sized black bears with either rifle and load and I know that it'll tear up way less meat than a .308, 30-06 or bigger. I feel like a lot of this folks will use the biggest guns possible because they aren't the best of shots and figure a .300 win mag will still knock them down with a pisspoor shot not knowing that the mule kicking calibers actually make them worse shots than before because they are flinching. Just my 2 cents on that. I've actually since bought an Ar 10 and my grandfather gave me his Winchester 70 30-06. Neither ever hit the deer or bear woods. I'll take boar with it because I'm not worried about meat wastage with them. So to wrap it up, the 7.62x39 is a great round for medium sized game out to at least 150 yards. If you don't like the thought of the Russian ammo, buy some American made "deer" loads or hand load. I would hand load but brass isn't recommended for the ak action and I run steal. There's plenty of good ones out there now since the 7.62x39 is becoming more popular. Don't let people who have never shot them and are telling you what they think sway your opinion on this load. This will be my 10th year using it along with my ballisticlly similar 30/30. Hope you decide to give this great little round a try!

Enjoyed the post and welcome to the forum. Hope to see a lot more from you in the future. A lot of folks have shot a lot of game who post here. Most of us tend not to preach what we KNOW in capital letters. The more I hunt, the less I seem to KNOW, but the more I seem to BELIEVE. There is a difference. I come from a military background, and in evaluating rounds we didn't think we KNEW very much until we had literally thousands of controlled impact observations. My more than fifty years of hunting observations tend to pale when compared to that sort of controlled evaluation.

We all have favorites that seem to work very consistently regardless of the situation. For me it's the .270 and .375. With them alone, I have taken at least a couple of hundred game animals. They always have done the job with minimum fuss and bother. I suspect that they are very nearly ideal in their respective environments. But I know that others could make the same case for the '06, the 30-30, the .300 (in several forms) etc, etc. I personally also truly love the milder 6.5's (Schounauer and Mauser) and the grand old WR .318. But those are merely calibers that I know work - for me - under the conditions in which they were employed.

My only criticism of the Russian round is that it is indeed essentially a 30/30 (which made the old 47 a pretty awful main battle rifle despite its mythology). For the deer hunting I do, I could manage about 75% of my opportunities with a caliber like that. However, I occasionally have to take that 200 yard + shot, or more likely, have to thread a bullet through a very small opening. Faster, flatter trajectory is a hunt saver in those instances. For bear, and I have hunted them as well, I am a 9.3 fan, but plenty of other calibers work. The 30/30 and the AK will as well. But in my experience, not nearly as well as many other choices - particularly a 9.3. I should note most of my bear hunting has been spot and stalk, where a bit of reach can be very important.

Lastly, except at the velocity extremes, meat damage is - again, in my experience - much more a matter of the bullet chosen than the caliber. I have taken reed buck (about the size of a southern whitetail) with 300 gr TSX's from a .375 and damage was quite minimal. I have seen whitetail shot with fragile 130 gr bullets that were severely damaged and others taken by the same rifle using stout 150's that showed little meat loss at all.

If you like the 7.62x39, then by all means use it. Employing it effectively with its obvious limitations requires skill and commitment. I personally, based upon my experiences, simply have little use for it.
 
Years ago, I bought a Ruger M77 MkII in 7.62x39. I had the same rifle in 7mm mag, which was my main hunting rifle at the time. The reason I bought the 7.62x39 was to use it for shooting practice, not hunting. At the time, factory ammo for the 7mm mag was about a dollar per round and the 7.62 was about 10 cents per round. I bought a case of 1000 rounds of Wolf and shot most of it within a few years. As my kids progressed from shooting 22s, the 7.62 was nice but manageable step up in power and recoil, without being too much for a young shooter. I ended up giving this rifle to my Montana elk hunting outfitter, who had 3 young sons. I replaced it with a similar rifle in 223, which my youngest daughter uses to practice shooting off of the sticks.
 
Jacob Edelmon,

Nice post!

I get a chuckle when someone says something like the Russian round is inadequate for something like a spindley legged deer, but then spout off that a 375 H&H is just the thing needed to drop an elephant. That makes no sense what so ever.

A 39 through a deer's heart makes them dead. Through the skull also makes them dead, just a bit quicker. I shoot deer to eat them, so a head shot or high neck shot to me makes sense as I don't care for bloodshot meat, but some will scoff at a head shot because " it's too easy to miss".

OK! But if a person can't hit a head at close range just how the hell do they plan on hitting a heart which is smaller than the head?

It boggles the imagination.

I have shot many deer, piggies, ground dwelling critters and such and amazingly they all died.
 
Jacob Edelmon,

Nice post!

I get a chuckle when someone says something like the Russian round is inadequate for something like a spindley legged deer, but then spout off that a 375 H&H is just the thing needed to drop an elephant. That makes no sense what so ever.

A 39 through a deer's heart makes them dead. Through the skull also makes them dead, just a bit quicker. I shoot deer to eat them, so a head shot or high neck shot to me makes sense as I don't care for bloodshot meat, but some will scoff at a head shot because " it's too easy to miss".

OK! But if a person can't hit a head at close range just how the hell do they plan on hitting a heart which is smaller than the head?

It boggles the imagination.

I have shot many deer, piggies, ground dwelling critters and such and amazingly they all died.
I don't know Von - maybe because that little heart target is surrounded by lungs, arteries, and major structural components, (all of which likely will be fatal) while the brain (somewhat smaller than a heart) inside that head is surrounded by non-fatal ones (at least immediately - a doe without a lower jaw can last an unfortunately long time). However, as you have noted about yourself many times, you are a superb shot who has never lost a game animal. I suspect most average shots (certainly me) would be best served by putting an adequate bullet where it has the greatest likelihood of doing the most good.

And of course, the old 39, like the 30/30, is a perfectly "adequate" deer round within the limitations of its performance envelope - so is a 12 bore slug. Those limitations rule it out as a very good choice for the hunting I do where trajectory and range are often important. For a hunter in the Carolina low country, that may not be an issue at all. In that case, compactness and ease of carry, may be most important (though I have a little Steyr .308 Scout that would seem a far more decisive round in a very similar package.)

And I truly have no idea what point you are attempting to make in comparing the Russian round for deer (whatever its legs may be) and .375 for elephant - whether you are attempting to talk about ballistics or you are merely attempting to insult another poster. Though, I suppose a .375 would be a pretty decisive whitetail round. As I noted, It works on reedbuck.
 
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Red,

Where both can get the job done, a 39 for deer and a H&H for elephant, neither is the cats meow in my book.

Of course it does appear that the shot placement of choice for someone armed with a 375 H&H is the elephants brain. Actually the brain or the high spine is about the best place to kill anything, not a place commonly referred to as "the boiler room" as it appears to be a "room" of questionable size depending on just how good of a shot someone actually is.

I have never offered that I am a " superb shot" as you have erroneously pandered, nor some tripe .abut questioning my mentioning the H&H as some sort of insult to someone.

I will say that I'm an OK shot who practices more than most and that I am a well disciplined shot who has let more game walk away than guys who let a few get away after they have flubbed a shot or two has taken over the long haul.

I am happy that you got that 80 pound Reedbuck with your 375H&H. How many shots did it take?

The 39 is a joy to shoot and my most accurate is a machined, scoped Soviet SKS.
 
A 39 through a deer's heart makes them dead. Through the skull also makes them dead, just a bit quicker. I shoot deer to eat them, so a head shot or high neck shot to me makes sense as I don't care for bloodshot meat,

Just how much bloodshot meat is produced by the so called "39" with a shot through the high heart/lungs?

What bullets are you using that cause so much meat damage with this cartridge??

but some will scoff at a head shot because " it's too easy to miss".

OK! But if a person can't hit a head at close range just how the hell do they plan on hitting a heart which is smaller than the head?

Those some who scoff at head shots are actually quite correct and unless you are a seasoned professional in culling or such it is not a shot to be recommended for the average hunter to use.

Heart and lungs smaller than the brain on deer sized game?? You lost me somewhere there.

It boggles the imagination.

I totally agree! It certainly does!

I get a chuckle when someone says something like.....

That makes no sense what so ever.

I have shot many deer, piggies, ground dwelling critters and such and amazingly they all died.

I also chuckle at some of the hogwash that goes around.

As for the last statement well...I pointed this out before when we heard about 400 yard only head shots with the same results of no wounded or lost animals etc. etc.

I do not want to, but I cannot help thinking that it is
:S Bs Flag:

My viewpoint anyway.
 
Same as before with the outrageous recoil comparisons for a 458 WM, let's change the subject and then ignore the post.

I am not a pH for any "outfit" by the way.

What does that have to do with "39" and more claims of head shots only and no lost animals anyway?
 
I helped two young gentlemen who decided to head shoot a whitetail doe clean up a mess both were better than average shots and were shooting from a rest. The problem was just as the shot broke the doe turned her head to look at another deer approaching and the bullet struck her sinuses about half way between eyes and nose. After many hours of chasing and suffering I ended it with a Texas heart shot with my 35 Whelen.
Head shots on dear are fast killers but can go wrong quickly second thing is use enough cartridge to end it when things do go wrong.
I respect the game enough to make every effort for quick clean kill.
Just my opinion
Shawn
 
Shawn,

As in every year around this country there are many thousands of deer and many other animals who are shot in the " boiler room" who are never seen again.

Of course there are many a happy buzzard and the like who patiently await opening day with the knowledge that they will soon be eating well.

"Rest"? Did they have a rest built in the woods?

The big question is," Does it make sense to take head shots in Africa where you can't take your meat home"? Sure, for elephant, rhino, cape, but for pg I would say no.

I hunt deer to eat so a shot up front end is out of the question. I know guys who have shot deer to pieces for "just" the horns of a 6 pointer. Of course this 95 pound deer turned into a 200 pounder over a 5 year period and the tines became the size of tree limbs.

Its good that you have " respect for the game" enough so as to put their lights out as quickly as possible. Ethically it is what we all should do. We should all also become proficient enough with a firearm to do just that, but so seldom do.
 
Yes a rest in the woods in my area we have some very elaborate “tree stands” windows insulation heat and on occasion light thanks to solar panels. All that 15-20 feet off the ground.
I also hunt deer to eat and I process it myself I know the damage that bullets do I also know that shooting directly into a shoulder blade can waste a lot of meat.
But if you choose your shot damage can be minimal.
Shawn
 
I went hunting in Dorchester County MD and they had tree " houses" like them down there.

After I went up and got comfortable I noticed that it swayed too much and came back down.

On the east coast of Pa. There is not much chance of shots over 50 yards when in the woods so " beer can accuracy " shouldn't be a problem.

You process your own.? You probably know what you're doing.

I on the other hand do not, when I cut um up you either get big pieces or little pieces, but Im fast.:A Banana:
 
I’m in west central Pa I can find myself in swamp bottom where a 50 yard is max but also watch fields with 400 yard shots.
My boys and I can break a deer down and get it in the freezer in 45 minutes to a hour. I separate the muscles oldest son cuts steaks and youngest trims for stew meat and burger.
Let me add that it was not my son’s who messed up the head shot. If it was them they would still be wearing their a$$es for hats.
Shawn
 
Shawn,

As in every year around this country there are many thousands of deer and many other animals who are shot in the " boiler room" who are never seen again.

A good quality bullet through the "boiler room" means one thing. Dead. Maybe not on the spot but dead. This is the safest shot to take.

That is presuming the shooter actually knows what "boiler room" means.

If you cannot find a deer that has been shot through the hart or high hart and both lungs after you have shot it you probably should not be hunting or you need to hunt with somebody who can.

Yes animals get wounded and are lost but with proper bullet placement in the "boiler room" the chances of that happening are very slim.

Shawn,

The big question is," Does it make sense to take head shots in Africa where you can't take your meat home"? Sure, for elephant, rhino, cape, but for pg I would say no.

Assuming you are referring to a hunting client, the only one mentioned here where a head shot should be attempted( and then only by a competent client who knows where to shoot and the PH is happy with that) is elephant. Side brain shot being preferable to frontal brain shots for clients as they are easier to accomplish.

The other would be hippo in the water.

As for a client trying head shots on rhino or cape buffalo, well the most ridiculous thing I have heard for a long time.
 
I don't refer to anyone who hunts as s " client" as I lay no claim to being a professional hunter.

I lay claim to being an older fellow, who because of an accident now walk with a cane, and on a bad day not much at all, but I'm still giving it hell.

Of course your claim of being a pH , which we are all aware of on a daily basis, i guess most certainly referring to everyone here as "a client" just stands to reason. By the way, one can only imagine that you have been a "pH" for a vast number of the members here at the world's largest African hunting site.

Though I really can't imagine that many are all that happy with you saying that none of them at all is a good shot and that " only you" can accomplish a close up head shot with a minimum medium bore caliber like a 375 or any caliber for that matter.

My expertise has and does lay in the fact that I am extremely committed to one shot kills, though in all honesty my long range capabilities have deminished over the last few years due to age and physical damage. But I still would not pull the trigger n any animal that I truly wasn't 100% sure that it would drop.

You on the other hand most assuredly can't make that statement as by your admisson that you have wounded and lost many animals. I guess knowing what to do and being able to do it are just different things to some people?

And to me....those are some of the most rediculous things that I have heard in a very long time.
 

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