6.5 Creedmoor for hunting

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Oh yeah. At 3000ft and 70 degreees sighted at 1000 im 4.6mils to 1000 with 1.4 mils of windrift with a full value 10mph wind. Hammers everything and it is soooo easy. Basically works out to zeroed at 100, .5 mils holdovers each 100 yards thereafter to 600 which i really shoot anything with over a .5 second flight time.

 

[CZDiesel]

Oh yeah. At 3000ft and 70 degreees sighted at 1000 im 4.6mils to 1000 with 1.4 mils of windrift with a full value 10mph wind. Hammers everything and it is soooo easy. Basically works out to zeroed at 100, .5 mils holdovers each 100 yards thereafter to 600 which i really shoot anything with over a .5 second flight time.

Your 6.5/300 and my 264WinMag can do this at range, a 6.5cm CANNOT!!!

 

[WAB]

Preach brother!!! With a 34mm scope tube anyone can fling just about any round out to long distances but your 6.5/300 and my 264WinMag are actual long range cartridges!

My 6.5 PRC is a ballistic twin to your .264. I have switched to the bondstrike after attending the LR school.
What a bullet!

 

[CZDiesel]

My 6.5 PRC is a ballistic twin to your .264. I have switched to the bondstrike after attending the LR school.
What a bullet!

Nice! What velocities are you getting?

 

[WAB]

Nice! What velocities are you getting?

I don’t push it. 3,000 fps is pretty easy with them but I don’t want to burn the barrel out too quickly.

 

[CZDiesel]

Nice I had my 264’s barreled action “cryo’d” and it seems to have helped? Though not a ton of rounds through it, it’s had 500 or so and it shows no throat burn or erosion

 

[Tradmark]

Your 6.5/300 and my 264WinMag can do this at range, a 6.5cm CANNOT!!!

True, but my 6.5 creed kills elk handily to 400 yards and it’ll do it farther just havent yet. One my daughter can shoot the other she cannot.

 

[CZDiesel]

True, but my 6.5 creed kills elk handily to 400 yards and it’ll do it farther just havent yet. One my daughter can shoot the other she cannot.

I’d tell you that brother who guides in the Gila, Catron County, NM will not allow you to hunt Elk with a 6.5cm! He has had to hike down too many gorges and canyons to try to find or retrieve wounded Elk from that cartridge! He won’t allow it! Too light of a bullet at a modest speed at best! Not an elk cartridge! Fine for white tails at moderate distances…
Hell I don’t even use my 264WinMag for NM Elk! I take my 338WinMag for that! I have seen the hits they can take a keep running!

 

[ActionBob]

Do yourself a favor and buy a 260 REM, 6.5x55, 7x57, or 7mm-08! All better cartridges and the airport staff won’t respond to you as “Ma’am”

Actually the Creedmoor comes in better factory loads than the 260. Like the 260 and 7-08 it is a short action cartridge, unlike the 6.5x55. And the 7mm's you mentioned are, well 7mm!

So you kind of prove the point that 6.5 Creedmoor fills several slots the others don't.

It does anything the 6.5x57, 6.5x54, and 6.5x55 have been doing for 100 years and almost anything that the 25-06 and .257 Weatherby have been doing for nearly that long. If you don't care for one of those, then it should be fine.

And it does them in a wide array of low cost rifles, many with short actions, youth models, short threaded barrels. Most at low cost entry level and some youth and women's models. All things that are hard to find in the other calibers or expensive and/or a hassle to have customized. Things many buyers don't want to be bothered with.

The 6.5 Creedmoor probably enjoys the broadest factory ammo selection at likely the lowest cost and the most widely available. Actually amazing to me from when I bought my first Creedmoor 12 years ago.

 

[Green Chile]

My short answer on this is that I view my 6.5 CM to be a target or PRS style rifle. Yes it will take deer sized game at reasonable distances. No it isn’t a long range death ray. My 6.5 PRC is a lot more juice and a very effective medium game rifle.

 

[CZDiesel]

Actually the Creedmoor comes in better factory loads than the 260. Like the 260 and 7-08 it is a short action cartridge, unlike the 6.5x55. And the 7mm's you mentioned are, well 7mm!

So you kind of prove the point that 6.5 Creedmoor fills several slots the others don't.


And it does them in a wide array of low cost rifles, many with short actions, youth models, short threaded barrels. Most at low cost entry level and some youth and women's models. All things that are hard to find in the other calibers or expensive and/or a hassle to have customized. Things many buyers don't want to be bothered with.

The 6.5 Creedmoor probably enjoys the broadest factory ammo selection at likely the lowest cost and the most widely available. Actually amazing to me from when I bought my first Creedmoor 12 years ago.

You said it brother “better factory loads” lol When was the last time you saw a shelf full of 260 Rem? The 260 Rem is ballistically better in every way and out dates the manbun by more than a decade! The 7mm’s toss a much heavier bullet at the same applicable ranges as the needmore to hit harder and kill better!
It is what it is! The creedless is a medium range, medium game cartridge at best!
If you want better out of a 308 cased short action then go with a 260 Rem or a 7mm-08!
You can argue until the cows turn blue but the idiot cartridge will never perform better than the others!
Oh let me guess your cartridge is now a better long range cartridge than my 264

 

[CBH Australia]

You said it brother “better factory loads” lol When was the last time you saw a shelf full of 260 Rem? The 260 Rem is ballistically better in every way and out dates the manbun by more than a decade! The 7mm’s toss a much heavier bullet at the same applicable ranges as the needmore to hit harder and kill better!
It is what it is! The creedless is a medium range, medium game cartridge at best!
If you want better out of a 308 cased short action then go with a 260 Rem or a 7mm-08!
You can argue until the cows turn blue but the idiot cartridge will never perform better than the others!
Oh let me guess your cartridge is now a better long range cartridge than my 264

I would not go as far as to call it the idiot cartridge. I do like to make fun of it but it does well at what is intended to do.

I have not owned one to date and went to great lengths to set up with .260rem barrel for target shooting.

The 7mm-08 is a great hunting round and there are other short action 7mm cartridges that perform well for long range target use

 

[Philip Glass]

You haven't lived until you bite down on a piece of lead shot left over from the pheasant your father shot. I can still remember the clink sound as it dropped from my mouth on to the plate.

I remember the same from quail as a kid!

 

[Red Leg]

Actually the Creedmoor comes in better factory loads than the 260. Like the 260 and 7-08 it is a short action cartridge, unlike the 6.5x55. And the 7mm's you mentioned are, well 7mm!

So you kind of prove the point that 6.5 Creedmoor fills several slots the others don't.


And it does them in a wide array of low cost rifles, many with short actions, youth models, short threaded barrels. Most at low cost entry level and some youth and women's models. All things that are hard to find in the other calibers or expensive and/or a hassle to have customized. Things many buyers don't want to be bothered with.

The 6.5 Creedmoor probably enjoys the broadest factory ammo selection at likely the lowest cost and the most widely available. Actually amazing to me from when I bought my first Creedmoor 12 years ago.

Which is why I have no objection to it. A 6.5 is a great choice for whitetail and small to medium plains game. But, it is still nothing new - merely a recreation in a new box with a new fan club. In fact, in some ways it is somewhat less. Like the .308, it will struggle with traditional heavy for caliber bullets. For instance, I would never opt to use my 6.5x57, even with the 154 gr bullet, on a North American elk, or wildebeest, or zebra if I had access to a 7.62 almost anything. Using a lighter bullet on such large animals is simply asking for trouble.

 

[ActionBob]

Which is why I have no objection to it. A 6.5 is a great choice for whitetail and small to medium plains game. But, it is still nothing new - merely a recreation in a new box with a new fan club. In fact, in some ways it is somewhat less. Like the .308, it will struggle with traditional heavy for caliber bullets. For instance, I would never opt to use my 6.5x57, even with the 154 gr bullet, on a North American elk, or wildebeest, or zebra if I had access to a 7.62 almost anything. Using a lighter bullet on such large animals is simply asking for trouble.

Yes, but it is NOT a 7mm, much less a 7.62.
And it is NOT a magnum 6.5mm either.

For what it is though, it performs exceedingly well and does it out of the box. And can do that out of a very low cost box

I love to pick on it and understand why peole say it was not a nessasary development. However I disagree and feel it was a great development that lead to even better developments.

Joe what if the military had adopted the 6.5 Creedmoor instead of the 5.56? I know it wasn't available, just talking theory. The 6.5 Creedmoor carries about 1300 ft pounds of energy to 500 yards. Matching and often besting the heavier 308 Win. Lighter weight ammo to carry than a 308. Seems like it would have been the ideal rather than the 556 or 762.

 

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[Red Leg]

Yes, but it is NOT a 7mm, much less a 7.62.
And it is NOT a magnum 6.5mm either.

For what it is though, it performs exceedingly well and does it out of the box. And can do that out of a very low cost box

I love to pick on it and understand why peole say it was not a nessasary development. However I disagree and feel it was a great development that lead to even better developments.

Joe what if the military had adopted the 6.5 Creedmoor instead of the 5.56? I know it wasn't available, just talking theory. The 6.5 Creedmoor carries about 1300 ft pounds of energy to 500 yards. Matching and often besting the heavier 308 Win. Lighter weight ammo to carry than a 308. Seems like it would have been the ideal rather than the 556 or 762.

The army has been debating a heavier round for its battle rifle and squad automatic weapon since the nineties. After extensive testing, it has finally settled on the 6.8x51 round. It already has a civilian name as the .277 Fury. Sig Sauer won the competition for both weapons (XM7 and XM250) and the 101st carried out the first field test last year. The initial production contract is for 111k rifles and 13K machine guns. Fielding is well under way.

The main driver for change is the ubiquitous use of improved body armor. The 5.56 penetrates fairly effectively to 300 meters - the 6.8 will do so up to twice that distance. It will be a big step up over both the current Russian and Chinese rifles.

I think the parallels to the Creedmoor are interesting.

The new round is clearly superior to to the 5.56 - as is a Creedmoor. But the 6.8 is not replacing general purpose MGs like the M240 that use the 7.62 NATO (.308). It remains clearly superior in that role - though perhaps some of the Creedmoor rationalization here should be forwarded to the service.

Probably be a while before the local gun shop has many civilian options so chambered - it is rated for 80K psi.

Army breaks ground on state-of-the-art 6.8 mm ammunition production facility

The U.S. Army’s Joint Program Executive Office for Armaments and Ammunition, along with the Joint Munitions Command, officially...

www.army.mil

What We Know About The 6.8×51 | 277 SIG Fury [UPDATED]

Explore the dynamics of .277 Fury vs 5.56 rounds, their history, technical specifications, and potential impact in military and civilian use.

blog.refactortactical.com

 

[Tradmark]

I’d tell you that brother who guides in the Gila, Catron County, NM will not allow you to hunt Elk with a 6.5cm! He has had to hike down too many gorges and canyons to try to find or retrieve wounded Elk from that cartridge! He won’t allow it! Too light of a bullet at a modest speed at best! Not an elk cartridge! Fine for white tails at moderate distances…
Hell I don’t even use my 264WinMag for NM Elk! I take my 338WinMag for that! I have seen the hits they can take a keep running!

Ive guided many hunters at 2 ranches a friend and patient owns. I will always maintain problems guides see with the creedmoor are due poor bullet choices. Guides should be picky about the bullet and not the cartridge. Ive killed and seen too many killed with a 6.5 (and 308) to say theyre too light. Just pick the right bullet. Keep the shots within the effective range of the cartridge and the shooter. One ranch they have outside of cloudcroft nm is elk hunting, the one in west texas is hunted for aoudad and oryx. Imho the oryx require much more precise shots and are a harder animal to bring down. Easily the most common factor Is poor accuracy and a big factor in that is using too large a caliber the shooter cant shoot accurately. The next is shooting too far. In my experience guiding at these ranches ive seen less than 50% of hunters are making clean first shot kills with any cartridge over 500 yards. So shooting at an extended range just isnt a great idea with any cartridge. In one case and one case only the hunter couldnt have gotten closer. I havent see. Anyone yet tat can regularly read the wind in the mountains well and should be shooting at extended distance.

 

[WAB]

Ver

The army has been debating a heavier round for its battle rifle and squad automatic weapon since the nineties. After extensive testing, it has finally settled on the 6.8x51 round. It already has a civilian name as the .277 Fury. Sig Sauer won the competition for both weapons (XM7 and XM250) and the 101st carried out the first field test last year. The initial production contract is for 111k rifles and 13K machine guns. Fielding is well under way.

The main driver for change is the ubiquitous use of improved body armor. The 5.56 penetrates fairly effectively to 300 meters - the 6.8 will do so up to twice that distance. It will be a big step up over both the current Russian and Chinese rifles.

I think the parallels to the Creedmoor are interesting.

The new round is clearly superior to to the 5.56 - as is a Creedmoor. But the 6.8 is not replacing general purpose MGs like the M240 that use the 7.62 NATO (.308). It remains clearly superior in that role - though perhaps some of the Creedmoor rationalization here should be forwarded to the service.

Probably be a while before the local gun shop has many civilian options so chambered - it is rated for 80K psi.

Army breaks ground on state-of-the-art 6.8 mm ammunition production facility

The U.S. Army’s Joint Program Executive Office for Armaments and Ammunition, along with the Joint Munitions Command, officially...

www.army.mil

What We Know About The 6.8×51 | 277 SIG Fury [UPDATED]

Explore the dynamics of .277 Fury vs 5.56 rounds, their history, technical specifications, and potential impact in military and civilian use.

blog.refactortactical.com

Very interesting. I thought they might give the 6.5 Grendel a look. I understand that some of the SpecOps folks are using it. Certainly a good idea to step up from the 5.56!

 

[WAB]

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Ive guided many hunters at 2 ranches a friend and patient owns. I will always maintain problems guides see with the creedmoor are due poor bullet choices. Guides should be picky about the bullet and not the cartridge. Ive killed and seen too many killed with a 6.5 (and 308) to say theyre too light. Just pick the right bullet. Keep the shots within the effective range of the cartridge and the shooter. One ranch they have outside of cloudcroft nm is elk hunting, the one in west texas is hunted for aoudad and oryx. Imho the oryx require much more precise shots and are a harder animal to bring down. Easily the most common factor Is poor accuracy and a big factor in that is using too large a caliber the shooter cant shoot accurately. The next is shooting too far. In my experience guiding at these ranches ive seen less than 50% of hunters are making clean first shot kills with any cartridge over 500 yards. So shooting at an extended range just isnt a great idea with any cartridge. In one case and one case only the hunter couldnt have gotten closer. I havent see. Anyone yet tat can regularly read the wind in the mountains well and should be shooting at extended distance.

Wind in contoured land is tough. I couldn’t believe some of the wind reads we were getting in the Barbour Creek school, but the mirage doesn’t lie!