50 alaskan

[Certus]

I am not trying to change the name! I don't give a rats ass what you want to call it, I call it 51 for my benefit and the benefit of others to know the difference........ Good God.......... The 50 B&M Alaskan is designated B&M......... 50 for .500 caliber........ could have called it 500 B&M Alaskan might have been good too.............. Or perhaps for you, the 49 Alaskan or something? Get over it!

Touchy.

 

[Carnivore hunter]

Do any of you know if anyone has taken Lion with a lever guide-gun in 45-70 or 50 Alaskan ?

Putting aside the ballistics of bullets, the lever guide gun seems like it might be a little faster for follow-up shots on charging lions vs a bolt-action rifle.

 

[Papabear55]

Do any of you know if anyone has taken Lion with a lever guide-gun in 45-70 or 50 Alaskan ?

Putting aside the ballistics of bullets, the lever guide gun seems like it might be a little faster for follow-up shots on charging lions vs a bolt-action rifle.

I think it'd be a great platform and either caliber loaded with swift A frames or the barnes hollowpoints would be extremely effective on big cats

 

[AZDAVE]

Years ago I looked at the 50 AK in a marlin, but had one built in a Ruger #1 26in octagon barrel. I was able to push a 535 woodleigh to 2100 at about 60Kpsi. If my memory serves me. (that load brass didn't last but 2-3 reloads before primer pockets were shot)

Lets just say in a light #1 recoil was sporty.

Worked up a bunch of 440 gr hard cast loads at 1800ish that is what was shot in it the most. I would have used it on anything in north america but would have passed on Africa. there are just better options for african DG.

 

[Papabear55]

Funny coincidence, just got word from my gunsmith that the barrel for my rifle is finally on its way to the shop. Hopefully won't be too much longer until I have the rifle in hand

 

[Rafiki]

Years ago I looked at the 50 AK in a marlin, but had one built in a Ruger #1 26in octagon barrel. I was able to push a 535 woodleigh to 2100 at about 60Kpsi. If my memory serves me. (that load brass didn't last but 2-3 reloads before primer pockets were shot)

Lets just say in a light #1 recoil was sporty.

I looked at 50 Alaskan but ultimately went with 50 Sharps and never looked back. More case capacity, heavier bullets with manageable pressure, somewhere less than 56kpsi. My latest iteration was 575gr Peregrine @ 2074fps average. Shot very well out of my Ruger No 1.

 

[Riflecrank]

I bought a fancy Browning M71 .348 WCF with nickeled and engraved receiver (running buck)
thinking I would turn it into a .50 B&M Alaskan.
Had tried the 350-gr/.500 CEB Raptor out to 300 yards where two out of three bullets went into one hole, from my own wildcat bolt-action rifle.
"IT'S THE BULLET, STUPID" is once again the operative phrase.
Never got around to the lever-action, but it would be the .50 B&M Alaskan if I do.
So many more choices of bullets suitable for lever-action with .500-cal.

Funny how Certus called Michael458 "touchy" when Certus was the touchy one.
Nice how Michael458 ignored the touchy-feely stuff from Certus.

 

[1dirthawker]

Based on my admittedly limited experience taking four buffalo bulls and being around the taking of perhaps half a dozen others, I would not. A .375. much less a .500 NE would be much more effective.

It would be great on moose, wild boar, and black bear. It frankly would not be a first choice for grizzly or coastal brown.

for what its worth, i used a 45/70 350gr bullet at 2150 fps for backup on brown bears. it actually did a pretty great job, the only thing it does not do well is shooting over 200 yards. we don't let clients shoot over 200 yards. (i currently carry a 458 win) the bears that i shot with it as a backup shooter, got smashed. it was very effective and extremely fast to reload and fire again.

i suspect the 50 alaskan would do at least as good a job.

 

[sestoppelman]

I have some .50 AK brass on hand to reform to .45/75 Winchester for my Uberti 1876 lever action. I also have some .458 Win mag brass in some amounts.
Just for giggles, I compared powder capacity between one each of the two using ball powder.

They both held the same amount of powder, exactly.

 

[Papabear55]

I wonder what a guy could do with a 500gr jacketed bullet out of the 50ak. Not sure if anyone makes one in that weight, but I bet it would be an absolute hammer for thick timber hunting. Or even out to 200yds

 

[Ray B]

Can't decide whether 45/70 or 50 Alaskan? Split the difference and go with a 475 Turnbull.

 

[AustinM]

I wonder what a guy could do with a 500gr jacketed bullet out of the 50ak. Not sure if anyone makes one in that weight, but I bet it would be an absolute hammer for thick timber hunting. Or even out to 200yds

Depending on barrel length, powder charge, etc. One should be able to get 1850fps out of a 500 gr bullet in the 50 Alaskan. Personally I would go with the B&M version as there are more buller options and cutting edge bullets in .500 are cheaper than .510.

Of course you could be like me and have 510 Kodiak Express on a Marlin pushing a 500 gr bullet to 2150+! If you wanted to have some fun that is !

Can't decide whether 45/70 or 50 Alaskan? Split the difference and go with a 475 Turnbull.

When in doubt, get all the above! The way I look at it, when you get a 45-70, you'll fall in love. Then you'll realize that more is better and an Alaskan will be your next move. Then those Turnbulls are oh so pretty, and one more lever could never hurt!

Ask me how I know, I'm on my third custom Marlin and looking to do more. Thinking about a takedown on an 1894 with 3 barrel sets: one in 10mm, one in 9x25 Dillon, and one more in 7.5 FK. Might even have to look at a .25 option as well, a man can dream!

 

[Papabear55]

Depending on barrel length, powder charge, etc. One should be able to get 1850fps out of a 500 gr bullet in the 50 Alaskan. Personally I would go with the B&M version as there are more buller options and cutting edge bullets in .500 are cheaper than .510.

Of course you could be like me and have 510 Kodiak Express on a Marlin pushing a 500 gr bullet to 2150+! If you wanted to have some fun that is !

When in doubt, get all the above! The way I look at it, when you get a 45-70, you'll fall in love. Then you'll realize that more is better and an Alaskan will be your next move. Then those Turnbulls are oh so pretty, and one more lever could never hurt!

Ask me how I know, I'm on my third custom Marlin and looking to do more. Thinking about a takedown on an 1894 with 3 barrel sets: one in 10mm, one in 9x25 Dillon, and one more in 7.5 FK. Might even have to look at a .25 option as well, a man can dream!

Isn't the 510 kodiak just a slightly longer 50ak? Or throated longer?

 

[AustinM]

Isn't the 510 kodiak just a slightly longer 50ak? Or throated longer?

The 510 Kodiak Express is simply a 50-110 that has been trimmed down by 0.07" to help accommodate 50 Alaskan bullets at the crimp groove. Mine comes out to be 2.73" in oal, which allows for the extra velocity as noted above, and feeds beautifully through the rifle.

The 50 AK could be lengthened as well, but personally you would be better off finding someone to do a 50-110 and using a factory crimp die to set your bullets...if you wanted to go that route.

 

[Papabear55]

The 510 Kodiak Express is simply a 50-110 that has been trimmed down by 0.07" to help accommodate 50 Alaskan bullets at the crimp groove. Mine comes out to be 2.73" in oal, which allows for the extra velocity as noted above, and feeds beautifully through the rifle.

The 50 AK could be lengthened as well, but personally you would be better off finding someone to do a 50-110 and using a factory crimp die to set your bullets...if you wanted to go that route.

Ah ok. I think my next lever will be a turnbull 1886 in 50-110. If I ever feel the 50ak isn't "enough"

 

[AustinM]

Ah ok. I think my next lever will be a turnbull 1886 in 50-110. If I ever feel the 50ak isn't "enough"

Look up Levergun50 on YouTube, he has one and it is quite impressive. Overall the 50AK will cover everything you need it to in the states and truly the rest of the world as well, as long as proper shots are taken and proper bullets are chosen.

I know crs uses a 45-90 on a winchester with a 26 inch barrel I believe. From what I have seen the 50 AK and 45-90 run hand in hand with the same barrel length and all other things being equal. He has taken elephants quite successful with his set-up, I'm sure your 50AK would prove to be just as handy with the right setup!

Good luck and enjoy your rifle!

 

[Papabear55]

Look up Levergun50 on YouTube, he has one and it is quite impressive. Overall the 50AK will cover everything you need it to in the states and truly the rest of the world as well, as long as proper shots are taken and proper bullets are chosen.

I know crs uses a 45-90 on a winchester with a 26 inch barrel I believe. From what I have seen the 50 AK and 45-90 run hand in hand with the same barrel length and all other things being equal. He has taken elephants quite successful with his set-up, I'm sure your 50AK would prove to be just as handy with the right setup!

Good luck and enjoy your rifle!

I honestly went with the 50ak because a marlin is easier to scope
But I also figured itd work for anything I'm likely to hunt in the next few years

 

[AustinM]

I honestly went with the 50ak because a marlin is easier to scope
But I also figured itd work for anything I'm likely to hunt in the next few years

Absolutely, Marlins are much easier to scope and in my opinion, look great. I'm sure you will be well served by it.