458 Optics Options

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I acquired a Ruger No.1 in 458 Win Mag several years ago, and have enjoyed shooting it (in shorter sessions) with iron sights since then.
I am now trying to find an appropriate optic for my Cape Buff/PG hunt in 2027. I’ve already tried out a Vortex Crossfire 1-4, and also have a Vortex Diamondback 1.75-5 on a No.1 in 30-06.
A friend recently brought up that he does not believe that the Vortex will stand up to repeated recoil from a 458, wouldn’t risk it in Africa, and like many others on here has recommended a Leupold.
Before buying a new optic, does anyone have any experience with Vortex on a 458 Win Mag (or similar recoiling) rifle?
Also, what’s y’all’s opinion on LPVO vs reflex? I will be in Limpopo with most shots within 120 yards from what I’ve heard from the outfitter.
 
I've had two Vortex red dots and one set of binos. I wouldn't trust them to watch cat videos.

Both the RDO's failed. One on a pistol, the other on a 12 bore shotgun I used for turkey. I threw both in the trash. Binos suffered minor drops while hunting that required me to send them back to Vortex TWICE! After getting them back the second time, I sold them.

If you are planning on a RDO, I would recommend Aimpoint or Trijicon. For magnified optics the starting point would be Leupold and Trijicon. Top tier recommendations would be Schmidt & Bender, Swaro and Leica.

Other options to consider on a DG optic:
1. Illumination - Extremely useful for seeing the intersection of crosshairs on a dark animal standing in the shade.
2. True 1x at low range for "both eyes open" shooting.
3. QD mounting system for switching to BUIS if needed.
4. Uncluttered reticle. Keep it simple, no need for a ballistic tree confusing things at DG distances.

I prefer a magnified low power optic for a first shot on a buffalo, even at 25 to 50 yards. I want that bullet going EXACTLY where I want it. Not that it can't be done with a RDO, but a magnified optic will be more precise.

Scope cut is a real danger on a 458 so make sure you have enough eye relief. If you can find a Swaro 1-6x24 EE (extended eye relief) this would be the best option, but they are out of production and about as common as hens' teeth.
 
First I like vortex. Have a number of their scopes including the 1.75-5 diamondback. Good optics, most people that bash vortex are talking out their ass.

That says I absolutely agree in regards to scoping your .458.

I do believe the crossfires are junk. 90% of the bad vortex’s I’ve seen, that people point to Vortex being POS are all crossfires. They’re very cheaply made and don’t hold up.

The diamondbacks, and higher are built much better, but I wouldn’t trust them on high recoil guns.

Leupold is a good choice. I personally prefer the older ones as I believe they’re a bit more durable than the newer ones, but less good in the glass quality.

Trijicon is also very durable and lots of options.

A fixed 2.5x leupold would be an excellent .458 choice. If you want variable id look at a trijicon 1-4
 
I've had two Vortex red dots and one set of binos. I wouldn't trust them to watch cat videos.

Both the RDO's failed. One on a pistol, the other on a 12 bore shotgun I used for turkey. I threw both in the trash. Binos suffered minor drops while hunting that required me to send them back to Vortex TWICE! After getting them back the second time, I sold them.

If you are planning on a RDO, I would recommend Aimpoint or Trijicon. For magnified optics the starting point would be Leupold and Trijicon. Top tier recommendations would be Schmidt & Bender, Swaro and Leica.

Other options to consider on a DG optic:
1. Illumination - Extremely useful for seeing the intersection of crosshairs on a dark animal standing in the shade.
2. True 1x at low range for "both eyes open" shooting.
3. QD mounting system for switching to BUIS if needed.
4. Uncluttered reticle. Keep it simple, no need for a ballistic tree confusing things at DG distances.

I prefer a magnified low power optic for a first shot on a buffalo, even at 25 to 50 yards. I want that bullet going EXACTLY where I want it. Not that it can't be done with a RDO, but a magnified optic will be more precise.

Scope cut is a real danger on a 458 so make sure you have enough eye relief. If you can find a Swaro 1-6x24 EE (extended eye relief) this would be the best option, but they are out of production and about as common as hens' teeth.
Fortunately I haven’t had scope cut yet, but I’ve only shot like 20 rounds with an optic on it and was being cautious. That’s why I was considering a reflex so I could think about target and not recoil
 
First I like vortex. Have a number of their scopes including the 1.75-5 diamondback. Good optics, most people that bash vortex are talking out their ass.

That says I absolutely agree in regards to scoping your .458.

I do believe the crossfires are junk. 90% of the bad vortex’s I’ve seen, that people point to Vortex being POS are all crossfires. They’re very cheaply made and don’t hold up.

The diamondbacks, and higher are built much better, but I wouldn’t trust them on high recoil guns.

Leupold is a good choice. I personally prefer the older ones as I believe they’re a bit more durable than the newer ones, but less good in the glass quality.

Trijicon is also very durable and lots of options.

A fixed 2.5x leupold would be an excellent .458 choice. If you want variable id look at a trijicon 1-4
Thanks for the input. Not opposed to a fixed power, but those are out of production now if I’m not mistaken. Granted, nothing is wrong with a used scope
 
Curious if any one has experience with a Holosun 510C on a big bore rifle. Thinking of putting one on a 416 rem mag.
 
Have a 1-4x Leupold VX2 on a .458 Win. Has about 150 rds thru it. Also have a 1.5-5x Leupold VX3 with the heavy duplex (unfortunately this reticle was discontinued) on a .458 Lott that is getting close to 1000 rds thru it.
I agree that the current Leupold’s aren’t quite as tough as those from even seven or eight years ago. I’d take a good look at the Trijicon 1-6x Accupoint.
 
Curious if any one has experience with a Holosun 510C on a big bore rifle. Thinking of putting one on a 416 rem mag.
Personally, I'd upgrade to the Aimpoint H2/T2 or Trijicon SRO and have a top quality made product that you know will last. Hunting DG is not the time to be skimping on gear.
 
First I like vortex. Have a number of their scopes including the 1.75-5 diamondback. Good optics, most people that bash vortex are talking out their ass.

That says I absolutely agree in regards to scoping your .458.

I do believe the crossfires are junk. 90% of the bad vortex’s I’ve seen, that people point to Vortex being POS are all crossfires. They’re very cheaply made and don’t hold up.

The diamondbacks, and higher are built much better, but I wouldn’t trust them on high recoil guns.

Leupold is a good choice. I personally prefer the older ones as I believe they’re a bit more durable than the newer ones, but less good in the glass quality.

Trijicon is also very durable and lots of options.

A fixed 2.5x leupold would be an excellent .458 choice. If you want variable id look at a trijicon 1-4
Would you hold this same sentiment with Vortex reflex sights? I have a couple of those laying around as well
 
I maybe going out on a limb, but I would just use the iron sights on a 458wm .
It’s imo a short range cartridge.
A 375 or 404j is a good limit on a scope?
 
I don’t trust current Leupold products. I have a 3.5x18 Swarovski on my 375 Ruger and a Leupold vx-7 1.5x6 on my 458 win mag. I would buy more of the vx-7 if they still made them.
 
Would you hold this same sentiment with Vortex reflex sights? I have a couple of those laying around as well
Yes their reflex sights aren’t much better than .22 or AR optics in my opinion.

I’d also put the Leupold DeltaPoint Pro in. It suitable for a big bore rifle. I know of 5 that have died quickly on handguns.

Red dots Trijicon is good. Also the Holosun 407/507s are incredibly tough as well.
 
I've bought one Vortex.

It wouldn't hold zero. I got a free replacement and sold it immediately. (Done forever - I think)



I use open sights on my .458, but if I had to put an optic on it now, it would probably be a Trijicon or Nightforce.

Most of my rifles wear Leupolds, but the new ones don't seem to be as durable as the older ones.
 
I had a Vortex viper some years ago and it was a pretty good scope, but I sold it to help fund the purchase of a new Leupold 6x before they discontinued it. Leupold has gone the wrong direction, in my opinion, by discontinuing their traditional fixed power scopes and pushing out a myriad of “long range” scopes with goofy reticles that may or may not return to zero. My next scope for serious purposes will be a Nightforce or a high end Sightron. I truly regret selling the Japanese made Bushnell scopes as they were a great value for basic hunting rigs and very reliable. Vortex and Leupold both seem very hit or miss with regards to reliability. You either get a good one or you don’t. Warranty and customer service with these companies have become back end crutches for poor or nonexistent quality control.
 
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I question the design and marketing choices of scope manufacturers in general. They have all recognised a huge interest in long range and dumped hunting scopes. But many big names didn't understand that dialing a scope needs accurate, repeatable clicks and have found very little traction in long range.Also lots of zooming needs more glass elements and more complex mechanicals= lower reliability.

I would look towards trijicon and nightforce- both have prioritise ruggedness. I like the rmr. But if you want a little reach for plainsgame then I think a 1-6 scope is better. But 458 and plainsgame ?? It is like using a mortar beyond 100 m.
 
If durability were my #1 concern it would be a Nightforce, S&B or Trijicon. These are the most durable scopes I've found but at the cost of being heavy. They are also used by militaries around the world. The only other drawbacks I've seen is that some are only offered in first-focal plane (FFP) and some of the reticles are quite busy with unnecessary additions for DG hunting.

If optical quality & lightweight performance were my #1 concern, it would be Swaro, Leica and Zeiss. These brands cover the upper echelon of optical quality, but their lightweight is in direct conflict with durability. That said, these scopes are up to the task for nearly all hunting duties. They are "sporting optics" scopes not designed for military use. Because of this they are Second Focal Plane (SFP) optics that are preferred of hunters. All of these are capable of providing lifelong service to a .458 caliber cartridge.
 
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But if you want a little reach for plainsgame then I think a 1-6 scope is better. But 458 and plainsgame ?? It is like using a mortar beyond 100 m.

Exactly! What are your functional (hunting) requirements for your .458 Win?
Look at it the old school way….

If you are a father with a wife and three young children at home. Your wife is a stay at home mother or works part time. You are the major bread winner with a modest income for a family of five. You can only afford one vehicle. You see where this is going, don’t you?

You may desire a Corvette or other sports car but obviously that isn’t practical. Even a Camaro or Mustang hasn’t enough room for the children and groceries. Enter the minivan of the 1980’s. Then the soccer moms graduated to the huge SUV’s for those who could afford them.

Did I mention that you are a tradesman who needs a pickup truck? Or maybe you need a truck for a side hustle (job) as a handyman? Enter the dual cab pickup truck. These are the best selling class of vehicles in the USA for good reason.

So, what are your requirements for your .458?

Dangerous game at 50 yards – Iron (metallic) sights if your vision is still good enough to shoot at least a 2” group off the sticks at 100 yards, just in case.

Large plains game at 50 to 200 yards – After 100 yards the mighty .458 Win isn’t so mighty. At 150 yards the energy retained is approximately half of the muzzle energy, close to that of a .308 class cartridge at the muzzle.

Note: The above energy comparison is for consideration, not debate from the captain of the debate team. Yes, we all know that guy J

If shooting more than 50 yards with eyes that need reading glasses, an illuminated Low Power Variable Optic (LPVO) in 1-4x, 1-6x, or if you can afford one, a 1-8x scope is best.

If buffalo is you quest at ranges between 30 and 100 yards, an illuminated LPVO will serve you well! The light gathering qualities of these is a bonus in the dark bush.

If you are going on an elephant hunt with your mighty .458 and plan to carry your own rifle as you trek ten miles a day in the hot African sun, a tiny reflex (commonly referred to as a red dot) sight makes sense.

Elephants do not see very well and are hard to kill. Accurate shot placement is essential to avoid your PH empting his rifle into your trophy to avoid it escaping with your misplaced bullet holes in it!

Shooting elephants is .99% of the time within 50 yards, if not 30 or less.

The tiny reflex sight affords more carrying room for one’s hand wrapped around the rifle’s receiver. Also, if using a safe (muzzle pointed outboard, NOT at any human ever) Africa carry, I find scopes rather irritating against my neck and shoulders. Darn irritating!

The best of both worlds includes quick release mounts for the scope and a reflex sight. Swap out one for another at the truck based on the game and environment. If you will not be able to see more than 50 yards in the bush, either will meet your needs. A tracker may willing carry your other safely packaged sight in a backpack that you have given him.

The LPVO at 1x magnification will provide a better (brighter) sight picture with a clear illuminated dot or crosshairs for quick sighting. It will also “gather light” which allows humans to see into the shadows better than with unassisted vision.

A reflex sight on your rifle will carry easier but… Here’s the rub, reflex sights project the red (or green) dot against the screen one sees. That screen is coated with iridium so that it will reflect the dot for human eyes to see. The iridium coating restricts the light passing through the screen by the equivalent of a f-stop or two.

https://opticsguides.com/how-does-a-reflex-sight-work/

“The technical principle behind the reflex sight is simple. A small LED produced a colored point of light reflected against the small, semi-transparent mirror and returned back into the front lens like a luminous target.

Because it has a semi-transparent mirror, it reflects only some light, thus enabling you to view the lens clearly. The shooter can see both the reflected point and the target in one image line through a special mirror.”


The bottom line from the above is an illuminated LPVO at 1x is better, sometimes depending in the available light in the bush, much better than the light stealing reflex sight. The reflex sights are however much smaller and present an easier carrying rifle than the neck rubbing scope.

Now let’s discuss reliability and durability for both LPVO and reflex sights.

Reliability includes
  1. Illumination, does it always function as designed?
    • Does the dot appear circular to your eyes? My astigmatism makes a lot of dots look like the blob from hell! My Aimpoint H1’s have a much clearer, round dot to my eyes than my Trijicon RMR and SRO. I have a couple of Holosun reflex sights on S&W M&P .22 Magnum and 5.7 x 28mm pistols. The Holosun dots are like fat blobs…
  2. Tracking, does it always move the point of impact as designed?
    • If one click equals one minute of angle POI movement at 100 yards, does the sight always “track” as it should? Move it five clicks up and 5 clicks right and shoot a group. Is the center of that group about 5” up and right from your original POI?
    • Now, move the sight 5 down and 5 left. Has the POI returned to the original POI? If so, the sight tracks good.
    • For a LPVO, anti-fogging today is a given. If not, better toss that scope!
Durability include, “Takes a licking (kicking, extreme abuse) and keeps on ticking” like an old Timex watch.
  • If one drops the rifle and the LPVO or reflex makes first contact with a rock, does that sight survive and hold its zero (POI)?
  • Does the sight survive extreme climatic changes such as temperature and moisture variations and remain optically clear and hold it zero?
A common phrase in Precision Pistol (Bullseye) completion shooting is, “Buy once, cry once”. That means it’s better to cry about how much money the very best equipment costs than to suffer its failure when you are 90% of your way through a match shooting what should be a new National Record!

Reliability and durability for a LPVO:
  • Nightforce, although these scopes are heavy and their optics are superseded by Swarovski and other makes.
  • Most people have good luck with Leupold although a small percentage of users experience equipment failures.
  • Do not risk your $10,000 hunt or more hunt to a low cost scope!
Reliability and durability for a reflex sight:
  • Trijicon of Aimpoint, Period!
  • Once again, do not risk an expensive hunt on a low cost reflex sight!
The choice is yours, choose wisely.
Also for your consideration,
https://www.africahunting.com/threads/red-dot-rmr-sights-for-dangerous-game-rifles.73440/
 

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