.416 Ruger Brass issue

+1. I really like Tim Sundles and appreciate him sharing this video. Seems like Hornady needs to improve their quality control at least with this cartridge brass but probably others as well. I’ve never hunted DG, but I would run ALL cartridges I would be using on the hunt through the action to assure proper feeding.
 
Whatever happened to not trusting new factory brass and full length sizing each case?
I always give new brass a full work over from sizing to reaming flash holes, that way I know it’s got the best chance of working when I want/need it to.
Gumpy
I hear you and agree, while I don't full size the new cases I do uniform the neck by running the brass halfway into the die.

On the other hand, when it comes to the Buffalo Bore .416Ruger ammo shown in the video.... how the hell could you quality control every piece of brass that comes in?

This is a major FUBAR on Hornady's part.
 
I encountered this same issue with my new Hornady .416 Ruger brass. I recently rechambered a .416 Taylor to .416 Ruger and it headspaced fine, chambered the dummy rounds I purchased off Ebay fine, and even chambered the Buffalo Bore 400gr TSX rounds without a hitch. However, the bolt would not easily close on 2 dummy rounds I made with the new Hornady brass…took a lot of force to jam it closed. Being dummy rounds they were not run through the sizer die. Was about to suspect my finish reamer was the culprit.
 
Absolutely on running all new brass through the FL sizer die. Take nothing for
granted.

Most of my sizer set-ups are for only ~.002 shoulder setback, so the shoulders of New brass aren't touched anyway.

Learned my lesson the hard way during the Y2K component shortage of 1999. Although it was with a purchase of "fully processed" once fired brass, not factory new.
 
On the other hand, when it comes to the Buffalo Bore .416Ruger ammo shown in the video.... how the hell could you quality control every piece of brass that comes in?

This is a major FUBAR on Hornady's part.
I don’t know much about buffalo bore, or they production amounts, but the few smaller companies out here that produce ammo run all of it through dies so start with, litigation is a big thing to worry about. But aside from that, it does appear that hornady has slipped up a bit, I wonder what went wrong
Gumpy
 
I don’t know much about buffalo bore, or they production amounts, but the few smaller companies out here that produce ammo run all of it through dies so start with, litigation is a big thing to worry about. But aside from that, it does appear that hornady has slipped up a bit, I wonder what went wrong
Gumpy
I am not a re loader but I have been told some hornday brass is short. Especially the leaver ammo with the plastic tip.
Why would they make ammo short?
 
I encountered this same issue with my new Hornady .416 Ruger brass. I recently rechambered a .416 Taylor to .416 Ruger and it headspaced fine, chambered the dummy rounds I purchased off Ebay fine, and even chambered the Buffalo Bore 400gr TSX rounds without a hitch. However, the bolt would not easily close on 2 dummy rounds I made with the new Hornady brass…took a lot of force to jam it closed. Being dummy rounds they were not run through the sizer die. Was about to suspect my finish reamer was the culprit.
I wonder if you could rechamber a .416 Ruger to .416 Taylor? It would be great if it would work because the Ruger Hawkeye models are very reasonably priced compared to a custom rifle in the Taylor cartridge.
 
I am not a re loader but I have been told some hornday brass is short. Especially the leaver ammo with the plastic tip.
Why would they make ammo short?
I believe the leverevolution bullets were a bit longer and to seat them at the cannelure, the brass was cut back a bit. May have been to meet O.A.L. limits also. In this case is wasn't an "Oops", it was by design.
 
I believe the leverevolution bullets were a bit longer and to seat them at the cannelure, the brass was cut back a bit. May have been to meet O.A.L. limits also. In this case is wasn't an "Oops", it was by design.
Thanks
 
I wonder if you could rechamber a .416 Ruger to .416 Taylor? It would be great if it would work because the Ruger Hawkeye models are very reasonably priced compared to a custom rifle in the Taylor cartridge.
No, because the .416 Ruger cartridge is dimensionally larger in every aspect than the Taylor. The Taylor’s belt happens to be the same diameter as the Ruger’s case at the head so it’s an easy reaming job to enlarge the chamber, just can’t go the other way.
 
No, because the .416 Ruger cartridge is dimensionally larger in every aspect than the Taylor. The Taylor’s belt happens to be the same diameter as the Ruger’s case at the head so it’s an easy reaming job to enlarge the chamber, just can’t go the other way.
I figured that was the case (pun intended). LOL Maybe a Ruger in .338 WINCHESTER MAGNUM (same case dimensions as the Taylor) with a .416 barrel from someone/somewhere that would screw onto the Ruger and could be rechambered to the Taylor? Might have to be a barrel blank?
 
I figured that was the case (pun intended). LOL Maybe a Ruger in .338 WINCHESTER MAGNUM (same case dimensions as the Taylor) with a .416 barrel from someone/somewhere that would screw onto the Ruger and could be rechambered to the Taylor? Might have to be a barrel blank?
If the .338WM and the Taylor share identical dimensions then could just have that barrel rebored to .416. May not be a cheaper option ‘tho.
 
As others here have said, this certainly points out the NECCESSITY of normal precautions of forming every case before you load it, and chambering FROM THE MAGAZINE every round before you use it, when you will be in an area of dangerous game, even if that is not what you are hunting. As a general practice, for reloads on dangerous game, I like to fire all new brass once so that it is fire formed to the chamber of my gun, then carefully neck size brass for final loading, still chambering every round I carry before I carry.

I like the 416 Ruger, but I guess there is no commitment from Ruger or Hornady for the cartridge. It would appear what we are witnessing is Ruger dumping its remaining stock of rifles, and the recent flurry of Hornady brass may have been them dumping their remaining brass, even factory seconds apparently. I am just guessing of course. I got a couple hundred more Hornady factory brass last month, so I have enough headstamped brass, but I bought a 1000 once fired ADG brass in 300 PRC to neck up and use for 416 Ruger practice. ADG brass is heavy walled which is good for longevity, but means mandatory careful neck turning when necking up a cartridge with a shoulder. That seems it may be the only remaining option for the 416 Ruger fans. That is a shame, I think it is a great cartridge, but there are older, well established, rounds that do the same or better like the Rigby, Rem Mag, and even the Taylor and Hoffman wildcats. Ruger and Hornady should have known it would be a marathon not a sprint to supplant these with the Ruger offering. That would have meant at least a 25 year commitment to supplying factory brass, factory ammo and factory rifles as a minimum. Guess they were short sighted.
 

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