416 rigby or 416 remington?

[TOBY458]

Let the rifle be the deciding factor, not the caliber. Either will work perfectly fine if a 400gr bullet at 2350-2400 fps is your goal. The Rigby will just take about 25 more grains of powder to achieve the same goal, albeit at a considerably lower chamber pressure. What the Remington does at 62,000 psi, the Rigby will do at 40,000 psi. Not that that probably even matters with today's temp insensitive powders.

 

[PB458wm]

Thank you everyone this info is great!

 

[K E Johnson]

I now own two of the Rigby variety.

I always found the Rem mag interesting.

Something I really find interesting though is comparing the .416 Remington magnum to the much loved .404 Jeffery. I see a case capacity of 113 grains water for the .404 and 107 grains for the Remington. The Remington has a belt and that is generally frowned upon. There is .007” difference in the diameter. That amounts to the diameter of two human hairs. Both use 400 grain bullets as standard with heavy and light options. If you load the Remington to original velocity of the Jeffery the objection of higher pressure is negated to an extent. Taylor shows velocity of .404 at 2125 fps and that velocity still allowed it to gain it’s reputation.

The Remington is the new kid. I also see it can be loaded to be a belted “Jeffery” with more available, lower cost components.

I am also 16 months into a .404 Jeffery build, so what do I know?

 

[Don458]

Hello all! I am sure this question comes up often but I was hoping to get some input on a upcoming opportunity I have. I have the opportunity to purchase either a Winchester model 70 in 416 remington, and looks almost brand new. The other option is a Ruger (not sure the model) in 416 rigby, looks to have more wear than the Winchester but still in great condition. I don't have a lot of experience with either cartridge, but have been shooting a 458 win mag for several years. I will primarily be reloading ammunition for rifle that I chose. With this what would you recommend?

Go with the Rigby , classic cartridge

 

[fourfive8]

The nostalgists frown on a belt that provides absolute headspace control but ignore case stretching and the commensurate shorter case life with cases that provide minimal or less than positive headspace control. The idea that the belt is ignored in a beloved cartridge like the 375 HH but causes all kinds of rough feeding problems in a cartridge like the 416 Rem is cause for a huh? Straw man arguments always abound in this particular discussion

Also, I've had two Win 70s in 416 Rem. The loads I worked up using two different chronographs showed nearly identical results with both 400 gr A-Frames and 400 gr TSXs using Varget. A load of 73 gr of Varget produced 2300-2320 fps with both bullets. Most load data shows just under 64000 psi for a load 77 gr of Varget under most jacketed bullets to produce 2400 fps. There is no way I'm close to 64000 psi. Best I can determine, I'm closer to 50000 psi for my hunting load of 73 gr Varget under 400 gr bullets at 2300 fps with a very low SD of vel.

 

[Aaron N]

Search on here ....from memory a few threads.....and there is only one .416...and it ends in Y not N....simple....

Weatherby?

 

[steve white]

Maybe no one here has had a problem with a sticky bolt/too high pressure in the 416 Rem, but an article on learner PH trials a while back DID mention that as a problem more than once. I doubt the Rigby will ever experience that. If you reload, you can negate that possibility (or create it...).

 

[RAVEN ROCKS PRECISION]

Just a tipper, we are getting lower in stock on 416 Rigby brass with no resupply in sight for at least norma headstamp. If anyone wants to build a 416 Taylor, we've got your covered for a lifetime supply if you need it. We can also do 416 Weatherby, but I haven't seen too much of a demand for it.

If you gents would like to see 416 Wby, 375 Wby, or 378 Wby added to the mix of available inventory, we can look at making it happen. Just let us know!

 

[358 Norma]

Just a tipper, we are getting lower in stock on 416 Rigby brass with no resupply in sight for at least norma headstamp. If anyone wants to build a 416 Taylor, we've got your covered for a lifetime supply if you need it. We can also do 416 Weatherby, but I haven't seen too much of a demand for it.

If you gents would like to see 416 Wby, 375 Wby, or 378 Wby added to the mix of available inventory, we can look at making it happen. Just let us know!

It's good to see a company stepping up and providing customers what they're looking for.

Now if you could come up with some Swift .416 caliber 400 grain A-frames I'd happily make an order for three or four boxes!

 

[RAVEN ROCKS PRECISION]

It's good to see a company stepping up and providing customers what they're looking for.

Now if you could come up with some Swift .416 caliber 400 grain A-frames I'd happily make an order for three or four boxes!

I’ll try. Talked them recently. Hopefully towards the end of the year they’ll have more in stock.

 

[450 Dakota]

I have both, Win 70 in 416 Remington and CZ 550 in 416 Rigby. I much prefer the Win 70. The rigby just feels chunky. I live and Phoenix and work up loads in the summer using Hodgdon extreme powder and have no problem with anything being over pressure.

 

[PB458wm]

I have both, Win 70 in 416 Remington and CZ 550 in 416 Rigby. I much prefer the Win 70. The rigby just feels chunky. I live and Phoenix and work up loads in the summer using Hodgdon extreme powder and have no problem with anything being over pressure.

That's awesome! I am in Tucson!

 

[DLSJR]

OMaybe no one here has had a problem with a sticky bolt/too high pressure in the 416 Rem, but an article on learner PH trials a while back DID mention that as a problem more than once. I doubt the Rigby will ever experience that. If you reload, you can negate that possibility (or create it...).

Steve, I’ve loaded my 416 Hoffman (essentially same as Remington) to 2,510 fps with no pressure problems using a 400 grain Bearclaw pushed by 81 grains of Reloader 15. Nowadays I shoot 79 grains of Reloader 15 and get 2,350 fps, which is very effective for buffalo. I think anyone keeping velocity around 2,300-2,400 in the Remington should be fine on pressure when using powders with a similar burn rate to Reloader 15.

 

[flatwater bill]

I personally think the long term availability of reloading components for the Rigby is brighter than the Remington....longevity of the cartridge for one thing, fairly recent failure of Remington Arms, being another. And when I look for 338 RUM brass I can't find any....makes me wonder what's next. Quick review of resale prices showed me that 416 Rigbys are more in demand.....JMO.............FWB

 

[duckman90]

I have taken my 416 Rigby on four trips to Africa. I love the round; it hits hard and shoots flat. (With a 200-yard zero, shooting 300 yards is pretty easy for a larger Plains game.) I have never had extraction issues; my only complaint is that the rifle is rather on the heavy side. After ten days of schlepping it around you can feel it in your shoulders and arms, but that being said, it is a pleasure to shoot. This means I practice a lot more with it than I do with my other big bores.

 

[wolfhunter]

I am a winchester guy I have 416rem. shoots great at the time of purchase I would of went with the 416 Rigby

 

[spike.t]

Weatherby?

Just seen this....nope in my world weatherby simply doesn't exist.....