3x safety fail at the public range today

[meigsbucks]

A couple of years ago, a guy started walking down range DURING live fire! Needless to say several people screamed CEASE FIRE! Thing is, this guy is (was) a regular at the range. Fortunately nobody was injured and he no longer comes to the range. As a side note, he had been previously been lectured by the range officers on several occasions for not getting behind the yellow line during cease fires and just yelling cease fire and heading down range. To top it off the guy was just a SOB.
This range is only semi supervised. The RO’s check people in, give new visitors the range safety lecture, mow grass, load clays at the shotgun skeet range and randomly check on range safety. They depend heavily on the regulars policing other shooters and reporting issues.

 

[Kawshik Rahman]

They should be thrown out and never be allowed to come back. I am a fire arms instructor in Bangladesh shooting federation ( shot-guns predominantly , but occasionally l volunteer for teaching with air rifle and .22 Long Rifle and magnum .22 weapons as well )

This is a basic ten meter indoor range for air rifles , as an example.
If any of our employees are down at any range to fix a light or change a target , then every shooter ( regardless of whom they are ) must remove any magazine from their rifles and / or pistol , remove the cartridge in their chamber , point the fire arm downwards and keep their finger off the fire arm's trigger at all times.

 

[Wyatt Smith]

Not sure I would go there @Wyatt Smith

My PH had a client who checked his rifle in the lodge, closed the action and pulled the trigger...firing a round into through the roof.
The following day the same client did the exact same thing, firing another round through the roof.
No one was injured in either case, but the client was forced to leave the lodge IMMEDIATELY!!!
No dinner, no sleep, do not pass go, do not collect $200...GET the F*%# OUT NOW!!!
The lodge manager threw him out for the safety of the staff and other clients in camp.

I don't think I would have waited for him to do it a second time, but I suppose they gave him the benefit of the doubt...until 24 hours later.

I have 3 ARs and love them all. I just noticed that a lot of the stories had AR 15 in them.

 

[bruce moulds]

and do not forget the safari photos and videos of jungle jim with his double or other rifle over the shoulder barrel forward pointing it anywhere.
and safari videos where guys are loading mags, chambering a round, applying the safety, and then getting into a vehicle!
and safari videos where muzzles are often hell west and crooked.
how some trackers and guides do not have a nervous breakdown defies logic.
bruce.

 

[Hogpatrol]

The problem in the U.S. is jitterbugs go from video games directly to a black gun and have zero safe firearm handling instruction or common sense. At the range, we call them magdumpers.

 

[Wyatt Smith]

The problem in the U.S. is jitterbugs go from video games directly to a black gun and have zero safe firearm handling instruction or common sense. At the range, we call them magdumpers.

That’s what I was referring to earlier. My first weapon was a daisy and I had to prove I was safe before dad would get me a real gun. He would go into my room and check the safety at random, and there was hell to pay if he fount one on the fire position. Also I had to keep an eye out for ricochets because he told me “ that’s your responsibility, don’t use it for an excuse.”

 

[Fred Gunner]

We always try to shoot Mondays (non-holiday) and Tuesdays almost always have the range to ourselves...Be your own range officer take charge and make firing line commands and announcements..."All clear" "The line is Clear" etc. I've never found any objections.

 

[Milan]

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Looks like a Czech Slavia 634 on the right...

 

[Kawshik Rahman]

Looks like a Czech Slavia 634 on the right...

Milan
Why yes. That is correct.

 

[njc110381]

Do that on most of the ranges in the UK and you wouldn't be going back. That's a down side to your total freedom to buy firearms. Over here it's rare for a moron like that to make it through the vetting process. It happens, but it's extremely rare. Push your luck to the point that other shooters report you and your authority to buy them is taken and you can't shoot. No messing. We also barely ever have hunters shooting each other. No orange vests needed here. There are some positives to our gun laws - mainly that it's virtually unheard of for non suitable people to have firearms!

 

[Opposite Pole]

Do that on most of the ranges in the UK and you wouldn't be going back. That's a down side to your total freedom to buy firearms. Over here it's rare for a moron like that to make it through the vetting process. It happens, but it's extremely rare. Push your luck to the point that other shooters report you and your authority to buy them is taken and you can't shoot. No messing. We also barely ever have hunters shooting each other. No orange vests needed here. There are some positives to our gun laws - mainly that it's virtually unheard of for non suitable people to have firearms!

That’s an interesting point, but I remain doubtful about government’s ability to ensure safety. Here is why, the ranges I visit in Poland have one type of customer frequenting them who are very dangerous with their firearms handling. They are police officers! They have zero understanding of muzzle control. These are people who are trusted by the society and called upon by the government to carry firearms in order to ensure public safety. The ones in Poland are not trained to safely handle firearms and are typically crap shots. I’m no olympian but I can outshoot most of them on a bad day when I’m tired. The reason is naturally insufficient training. While I can understand budgetary constraints affect how much shooting they can do I think unsafe gun handling is inexcusable and safe gun handling is inexpensive to train.

 

[njc110381]

That’s an interesting point, but I remain doubtful about government’s ability to ensure safety. Here is why, the ranges I visit in Poland have one type of customer frequenting them who are very dangerous with their firearms handling. They are police officers! They have zero understanding of muzzle control. These are people who are trusted by the society and called upon by the government to carry firearms in order to ensure public safety. The ones in Poland are not trained to safely handle firearms and are typically crap shots. I’m no olympian but I can outshoot most of them on a bad day when I’m tired. The reason is naturally insufficient training. While I can understand budgetary constraints affect how much shooting they can do I think unsafe gun handling is inexcusable and safe gun handling is inexpensive to train.

That's something I've never encountered in the UK. I know two armed response officers and used to shoot regularly with one of them. Our lads are pretty well trained. But then again in the UK not all officers are armed so those who are have been through rigorous training both to get the job and to maintain it. They shoot regularly at the range with instructors to keep their skills current too.

I agree that the government can't completely guarantee safety, but around here they try pretty hard. Certainly any known major fault and your guns are gone. Even a drink driving conviction or repeated speeding offences can see a guy lose his guns as it shows a lack of responsibility. The way they see it, if you can't be trusted to drive safely then you're not the right kind of person to be trusted with guns.

 

[johnnyblues]

Wow. No range officer?

I was thinking the same thing Phil.

 

[Milan]

That's something I've never encountered in the UK. I know two armed response officers and used to shoot regularly with one of them. Our lads are pretty well trained. But then again in the UK not all officers are armed so those who are have been through rigorous training both to get the job and to maintain it. They shoot regularly at the range with instructors to keep their skills current too.

I agree that the government can't completely guarantee safety, but around here they try pretty hard. Certainly any known major fault and your guns are gone. Even a drink driving conviction or repeated speeding offences can see a guy lose his guns as it shows a lack of responsibility. The way they see it, if you can't be trusted to drive safely then you're not the right kind of person to be trusted with guns.

I'm sorry but I disagree and I'm not in the US. It has everything to do with level of safety training and nothing to do with firearm laws. If that were true, allowing certain calibers, types and number of firearms only would avoid these problems. It does not. Obtaining firearms should be easy once background check is done and you pass safety course. Safety course should be hard (it's not that hard if you know how to be safe) and thorough. Gun control is just utter bullshit and only limits the "good" gun owners.

 

[Wyatt Smith]

I feel the same way about having to pass a safety exam, and the same way you do about gun control @Milan