375 H&H chamber pressure for double rifles

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How do you figure the chamber pressure for a 375 H&H double rifle? The rifle is regulated for Hornady 300 gr. DGX ammo. I want to reload Swift A Frames 300 gr. to see if they shoot well enough to hunt with them. Do I duplicate velocity by the manual? I want to make sure I do not have excessive pressure. Help please. Mike
 
First what is the double rifle? Which manual? I think Hornady 300 gr. is about 2670. If that is the correct velocity that is what I would load for. Again what double rifle?
 
Quick Loads will give you the pressures.
 
First what is the double rifle? Which manual? I think Hornady 300 gr. is about 2670. If that is the correct velocity that is what I would load for. Again what double rifle?
Swift manual and Chapuis Brousse rifle. Hornady factory ammo list 2530 fps. Thanks
 
It is a modern rifle, I would us a chronograph to get the velocities of the ammo used to regulate it. Then I would start a load with the a frames and work my way up to that velocity.
 
Roger that! A chronograph or better yet, a Lab Radar makes finding a double rifle's sweet spot of velocity a lot easier! I mean an awful lot!

Another benefit of recording velocity of each shot, for each barrel, is to monitor for extreme spread and mean velocity spread.

A Frames may in fact impact differently than DGX at the DGX regulated velocity. Powder burn rate may affect this as well. Hornady may use a proprietary powder and primer not available to reloaders.

Using established load data ( I subscribe to loaddata.com It's worth it) start lower in velocity and shoot 2 to 3 rounds from each barrel. Record those two groups. Assuming right barrel impacts low and left and vice versa for left, you have a baseline! Gradual increases of powder, within the listed range of load data, and the two groups should eventually merge.

If you can't get them to cross within the load data range for your powder, a different powder should be tried. I would try a slower burn rate powder if you have room without too much compression.

For powder, I like newer ones that are much more temperature stable. Africa can at time heat your barrels so much so that they are uncomfortable to touch! Add 40 to 60 degrees to when you developed your load and older favorite powders may burn faster, increasing pressure, resulting in increased velocity. There goes your regulated loads! If your load was at a maximum mean pressure at 65 degrees using a temperature unstable powder, at 105 degrees, your action may not want to open!

I used H4350 for my bolt action 375 H&H and will use it to start to develop loads for my .375 double. It is temperature stable and once again available.

Bottom line is measuring pressure is possible using strain gauge devices such as Pressure Trace. It is however not necessary for developing loads that have much load data available.

I hope this helps!
 
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I thought about this some more...

Dwell time is the key to getting the projectiles far both barrels to cross. That is the time it takes a bullet to travel from chamber to muzzle.

For the same muzzle velocity, in theory a faster burning powder will push a bullet out of a barrel faster than a slower, more gradually increasing velocity bullet from a slower burning powder.
That is if the muzzle velocity is the same.

If the bullets won't cross they need more dwell time so that recoil will align each muzzle to strike center.

The inverse is that if they cross at too low velocity, a faster powder should be tried.
 
The Krieghoff "Teck" O/U double rifle I took on all my African hunts was fitted with barrels in calibers .458 WM and .375 H&H Magnum. Since both are rimless belted cartridges, I assume they were proofed with regular bolt rifle loads. I used only factory ammunition in them, and they functioned flawlessly.
 
The Krieghoff "Teck" O/U double rifle I took on all my African hunts was fitted with barrels in calibers .458 WM and .375 H&H Magnum. Since both are rimless belted cartridges, I assume they were proofed with regular bolt rifle loads.
By law in Germany they should have been proof tested to CIP standards. Germany is a "CIP Member State.

"The Commission internationale permanente pour l'épreuve des armes à feu portatives ("Permanent International Commission for the Proof of Small Arms" – commonly abbreviated as C.I.P.) is an international organisation which sets standards for safety testing of firearms." from Wikipedia

"The American equivalent of C.I.P. is the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI) although operating differently. SAAMI is a manufacturer's association. In contrast to C.I.P.'s decisions the recommendations of SAAMI do not have the force of law." from Wikipedia

 
I may be wrong but I don’t think the bullets are supposed to cross. But rather run parallel.
Correct. My terminology of "getting to cross" is easier in my mind to picture than "increase velocity until the groups of both barrels intersect".
 
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I thought about this some more...

Dwell time is the key to getting the projectiles far both barrels to cross. That is the time it takes a bullet to travel from chamber to muzzle.

For the same muzzle velocity, in theory a faster burning powder will push a bullet out of a barrel faster than a slower, more gradually increasing velocity bullet from a slower burning powder.
That is if the muzzle velocity is the same.

If the bullets won't cross they need more dwell time so that recoil will align each muzzle to strike center.

The inverse is that if they cross at too low velocity, a faster powder should be tried.
Hi Mark,
I came across this post and found it very interesting. I do understand this is theory only and in the real world another double could behave differently.
But I am struggling to get my head around the last two paragraphs of your post. I am not saying you are incorrect, I am saying I am too thick to understand the theory.

Now, if a double crosses with a faster burning powder say 2208/Varget and a velocity of say 2000 fps. If I loaded the same bullet at the same velocity 2000 fps, with a slower burning powder, say 2209/H4350. Wouldn’t divergence bullet spread be increased, not decreased?
What I am trying to say is. With a slower burning powder the barrel time is greater, so the bullet would leave the barrel at a point in time when barrel yaw was at a further point in its arc. Upwards and out, hence more divergence?

Okay, what have I missed or misunderstood?

Thankyou
 
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How do you figure the chamber pressure for a 375 H&H double rifle? The rifle is regulated for Hornady 300 gr. DGX ammo. I want to reload Swift A Frames 300 gr. to see if they shoot well enough to hunt with them. Do I duplicate velocity by the manual? I want to make sure I do not have excessive pressure. Help please. Mike
Look in thread:

Need help, Load discrepancy Swift vs Hodgdon​


and under my handle. Due to the swift bullet construction, published data is about 7k psi higher due to the shot start pressure. This is also reflected in Quickload
 

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