35 Whelen

[1dirthawker]

you shoulda bought a 9.3x62

sorry bob

 

[Rule 303]

Of course a 338WinMag will throw that 300gr round 150fps faster with a better SD

But it aint a 35Whelen and it only puts a small hole in them.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Of course a 338WinMag will throw that 300gr round 150fps faster with a better SD

@CZDiesel
And pound your shoulder a lot harder which leads to less accurate shootin.
The Whelen will put a lot BIGGER HOLE in it tho.
That 0.020 of an inch makes a BIG difference and don't forget the 10gn extra weight in the Whelen. Dang man that the equivalent of 2, .117 cal air rifle pellets.
You can't tell me a charging buffalo or elephant can't tell the difference in size. Them is real smart critters, so the extra the Whelen has to offer WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
HA HA HA HA
Bob

 

[CZDiesel]

Bob and I debating the 338WinMag vs the 35 Whelen

 

[Bush Buck]

I resized the other 10 Federal once-fired 30-06 cases to 35 Whelen.

This time I chamfered the mouthes (and de-burred) before I resized - as Hoytcanon suggested.

I then resized to 338-06 which takes only a little more force than 30-06 - no splits.
With no additional lube I then resized to 35 Whelen which takes slightly less effort because the case is already sized.

Both steps took noticeably less sizing force than going straight to 35 Whelen and I had no neck splits. This is a small sample size but promising.

 

[tdbru]

for sizing 30-06 to 35 Whelen, if you can, consider a neck anneal after the 338 step before the 35 step. I've sized up a lot of Greek HXP to 35 Whelen with a neck anneal. Your working the brass in the neck quite a bit with stretching it out to 358 size. On the other hand, if you have bucket loads of 30-06 brass to size up, tossing a few for neck splits is likely not a big deal. best of luck.
-tdbru

 

[Westerner1939]

Bob

8 x 68
If you want a load that makes the 250gn Speer hotcore sing check out their reloading site for info.
I tried their MAX load after working up.
The load I settled on was,
64grains of cfe223 behind the 250gn Speer COAL 3.4 inches.
This gave me a chronoed velocity of just over 2,700fps. No pressure problem at all. This load really gets your attention when you pull the trigger.
Nosler lists 60.5 grains of Varget, I get a chronoed 2,850fps
My favorite is 65grains cfe223 behind a 225grain woodleigh PPSP.
This gives me a chronoed velocity of 2,940 fps average for 5 shots. This load develops over 4,200 fps, exceeding the 338 win mag
All loads group less than 1moa @ 100yards.
This is from a 25 inch MAB stainless barrel that allows me to load the accubonds to an overall length of 3.4 inches.
ALL LOADS PROVED SAFE IN MY RIFLE BUT SHOULD BE APPROACHED FROM 5 GRAINS BELOW.

Bob I’m wanting to push a 250 grain Speer near the upper limit, I’m a bit skeptical of using the CFE223 in the field though. Have you observed any issues with temp stability in that load? I’d be using this load for fall black bear here in Washington, so not a huge swing in temperatures this time of year when the hunting is good, I’d guess 60-90°

 

[steve white]

Any arguments against the 35 Whelen, or the 358 Win. for that matter, evaporate as soon as you see what they always do to game! (the 35 Rem. punches above it's weight, I believe just because it is a 35)
I would be sold on rebarreling to one, but a Mannlilcher Schoenauer rotary magazine will not tolerate the increase in size. (strangely, you can go DOWN in size from 8x56 to 7x57 with no problem--I know, I have done it.)
I know, I know, Bob--for the price of rebarreling I could just buy a Whelen, which ain't a bad idea. If I ever do, I'll crow about it loud enough for you to hear!

BTW, just for the record, what is the longest effective hunting range for the 35 Whelen, in your opinion?

 

[sestoppelman]

I know this is old but been a long back and forth about the abilities of the Whelen as compared to the .338 Win and I have always contended that given similar pressure levels, the larger cased .338 will rule the roost and I have posted this before in another thread but...with top loads in a 25" Win 70 Alaskan I have safely achieved;

2827 fps with a 250 gr Speer with ME of 4437 ft lbs. This is definitely 375 mag country.
Not saying a Whelen wont do that, but if it does, its going to be in red faced maximum territory and near dangerous.
The Whelen is a wonderful round, but its not quite a .338 Win mag.

 

[Flewis]

the advantage of the 338 is small but the bullet selection over the 35 is huge. I like them both.

 

[Flbt]

the advantage of the 338 is small but the bullet selection over the 35 is huge. I like them both.

I like the 338 wm have had 3 2 rugers and a weatherbey vanguard.

I got a rem 760 on 358 and then a blr in it.
For the smaller game I hunt the 358w seems to do as good a job.
But that’s deer and hog.
So both are on the larger side of need lol

 

[BFaucett]

the advantage of the 338 is small but the bullet selection over the 35 is huge. I like them both.

Of course, the proper solution is to have one of each.

Ruger M77 Mk II .338 Win Mag:

Ruger M77 Hawkeye .35 Whelen:

Cheers! Bob F.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Bob

Bob I’m wanting to push a 250 grain Speer near the upper limit, I’m a bit skeptical of using the CFE223 in the field though. Have you observed any issues with temp stability in that load? I’d be using this load for fall black bear here in Washington, so not a huge swing in temperatures this time of year when the hunting is good, I’d guess 60-90°

@Westerner1939
I've been using CFE223 for over six years now and never had a problem in temps from minus 6 to 40 degrees Celsius.
I only use standard large rifle primers and even in cold Weather had a hang fire or misfire.
Top that of with coper fouling eliminator and I very rarely have an issue with copper build up.
Work up your load safely to your desired level and go have fun.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Any arguments against the 35 Whelen, or the 358 Win. for that matter, evaporate as soon as you see what they always do to game! (the 35 Rem. punches above it's weight, I believe just because it is a 35)
I would be sold on rebarreling to one, but a Mannlilcher Schoenauer rotary magazine will not tolerate the increase in size. (strangely, you can go DOWN in size from 8x56 to 7x57 with no problem--I know, I have done it.)
I know, I know, Bob--for the price of rebarreling I could just buy a Whelen, which ain't a bad idea. If I ever do, I'll crow about it loud enough for you to hear!

BTW, just for the record, what is the longest effective hunting range for the 35 Whelen, in your opinion?

@steve white
The longest effective range for ANY CARTRIDGE is as far as you can comfortably shoot and guarantee a humane one shot kill.
I shot my impala at 275 yards and have not trouble with a 8" gong at 300 all day.
The Whelen carries over 2,000fpe at 400 and shoots as flat as a 308 with 150gn SST. So if you can guarantee a killing hit at 500 go for it
Bob

 

[steve white]

@Westerner1939
I've been using CFE223 for over six years now and never had a problem in temps from minus 6 to 40 degrees Celsius.
I only use standard large rifle primers and even in cold Weather had a hang fire or misfire.
Top that of with coper fouling eliminator and I very rarely have an issue with copper build up.
Work up your load safely to your desired level and go have fun.
Bob

What brand of copper fouling eliminator? How does it work; sounds great.

 

[CoElkHunter]

I know this is old but been a long back and forth about the abilities of the Whelen as compared to the .338 Win and I have always contended that given similar pressure levels, the larger cased .338 will rule the roost and I have posted this before in another thread but...with top loads in a 25" Win 70 Alaskan I have safely achieved;

2827 fps with a 250 gr Speer with ME of 4437 ft lbs. This is definitely 375 mag country.
Not saying a Whelen wont do that, but if it does, its going to be in red faced maximum territory and near dangerous.
The Whelen is a wonderful round, but its not quite a .338 Win mag.

Yes. .338 WINCHESTER MAGNUM!

 

[BFaucett]

What brand of copper fouling eliminator? How does it work; sounds great.

Hodgdon CFE 223

"CFE 223 contains our Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient, originally used in military propellant, which greatly deters copper fouling and contributes to longer periods of top accuracy with less barrel cleaning time."

source: https://shop.hodgdon.com/hodgdon-cfe-223/

Cheers! Bob F.

 

[BFaucett]

CFE 223: Clean, Fast, and Engineered for Accuracy
video posted to YouTube on Jan 5, 2021

"Engineered for the Modern Sporting Rifle, CFE 223 eradicates copper and is optimized for 223 / 5.56mm NATO, 308 WIN / 7.62x51mm NATO, and other MSR cartridges. This versatile, spherical powder combines clean-burning consistency and reduced copper buildup for greater accuracy between cleanings."

YouTube channel: Hodgdon TV

Cheers! Bob F.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

What brand of copper fouling eliminator? How does it work; sounds great.

@steve white
I don't know mate but CFE 223 from memory stands for copper fouling eliminator.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

@Westerner1939
In my reply on CFE223
it should have read
I have NEVER had a misfire even in cold weather using standard large rifle primers.
Bob