270 Winchester better than 7mm mag?

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I don’t doubt that the magnums get just as much of a boost from new bullets as the old standard cartridges.

OTOH, a classic cartridge with modern bullets and powders may obviate the need for a magnum of the same caliber with its greater recoil, report, and length.

@Rocked and Loaded
A magnum will always have a place. There are those that still want that bit extra no matter the cost.
Magnums don't appear to get the boost that the old classics do as they are already loaded to near or at max pressures. They do benefit from better projectile technology tho.

 

[hawkeyesatx]

@Rocked and Loaded
A magnum will always have a place. There are those that still want that bit extra no matter the cost.
Magnums don't appear to get the boost that the old classics do as they are already loaded to near or at max pressures. They do benefit from better projectile technology tho.

You are absolutely right there @Bob Nelson 35Whelen!

Factory magnum rifle ammo is already loaded closer to specs than the older “average” classic cartridges.
Magnum rifles, such as the 7mm Rem Mag, have only a slight advantage in the field when being used, let’s say over the .270 Winchester.
We have to remember as well, that we have to look at comparative Sectional Density in bullet weights, as not to compare bullet weight to bullet weight.
Everyone touts the 7mm Rem Mag with having a lot better bullet selection. But in all actuality, my experience with talking to other hunters in the field, they usually stick with one bullet weight, and use it for everything they hunt.
Yes, the .270 does have less bullet weights available, but those that it does have, work extremely well for the cartridge, that it really doesn’t need a plethora, to work well.


Hawk

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

You are absolutely right there @Bob Nelson 35Whelen!

Factory magnum rifle ammo is already loaded closer to specs than the older “average” classic cartridges.
Magnum rifles, such as the 7mm Rem Mag, have only a slight advantage in the field when being used, let’s say over the .270 Winchester.
We have to remember as well, that we have to look at comparative Sectional Density in bullet weights, as not to compare bullet weight to bullet weight.
Everyone touts the 7mm Rem Mag with having a lot better bullet selection. But in all actuality, my experience with talking to other hunters in the field, they usually stick with one bullet weight, and use it for everything they hunt.
Yes, the .270 does have less bullet weights available, but those that it does have, work extremely well for the cartridge, that it really doesn’t need a plethora, to work well.


Hawk

@hawkeyesatx
That's why the 35 shines, 5 main bullet weights and in those 5 there's something that WILL work.

 

[Ray B]

we have to look at comparative Sectional Density in bullet weights,


Hawk

FINALLY!!

Someone says something about what I have been saying for 20 years- Sectional Density is not absolute. Sectional density only gives the weight per square inch of bullets diameter. The same SD that would result in a small caliber bullet having a long length to width ratio would result in a short stubby bullet with a larger diameter. To keep the same penetration potential the SD must be increased as bullet diameter increases.

 

[Dr Ray]

For no really good reason, I'm not a fan of either (and I own both).

I opt for a .30/06 when I think my game will be 300 yards or less, and I go .300 Winchester or Weatherby when I think it might be more.


My main hunting partner uses a .270 Weatherby, and nothing walks away from that thing.

I can believe it

 

[CBH Australia]

I can believe it

Yeah, coming from a .270 junkie,
I guessing the Weatherby is a souped up version.

 

[Nevada Mike]

I liked the article by Ross Seyfried. He is correct that a rifle/caliber/bullet combination is very much an individual thing. The .270 is a 'classic', but so are the .257, 25-'06, 30-'06, and, I would argue, the 7mm RM. Add the .375 H&H to the list. I own rifles in all these calibers and they are effective within their limits, which is determined by skill, terrain, and the game hunted.

His focus on practical field shooting is primary. I do not consider myself a great game shot and probably my longest shot was on a big mule deer at 325 yards... with my old 6.5X55. Worked fine. I won't shoot at animals that are much further away. I have no sniper training and prefer to simply get a bit closer or wait for another day.

 

[Dr Ray]

Yeah, coming from a .270 junkie,
I guessing the Weatherby is a souped up version.

Of course
lol

 

[Qc_BearHunter]

I've shot 2 big bull mooses with the 270 Win. Both of them with 150 grains Grand Slam bullet. The first one ran 50 yards. The second took a few steps the fell over.

I've also shot moose with other calibers, 30-06, 300WM and 338WM.

I can't tell much difference between all of them.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Of course
lol

@Dr Ray
I know where there's a lovely Ruger No1 in 270 with a 26 inch barrel.
You could easily run a Weatherby reamer into it if you wanted.
It's just up your alley.
Bob

 

[Ragman]

I've shot 2 big bull mooses with the 270 Win. Both of them with 150 grains Grand Slam bullet. The first one ran 50 yards. The second took a few steps the fell over.

I've also shot moose with other calibers, 30-06, 300WM and 338WM.

I can't tell much difference between all of them.

Neither could the mooses!

 

[Dr Ray]

@Dr Ray
I know where there's a lovely Ruger No1 in 270 with a 26 inch barrel.
You could easily run a Weatherby reamer into it if you wanted.
It's just up your alley.
Bob

I have a Sako S/S barrel in 270
And a Tikka synthetic stock
And in the same general category
Kimber 308
300 Winchester magnum
I have enough in that category I think
..but

Oh here we go
I’d like a 257 Weatherby
7/08
30/06

Omg
Bob you are a bad influence

 

[Nevada Mike]

Neither could the mooses!

Ah... isn't that MEESE?

 

[hawkeyesatx]

@hawkeyesatx
That's why the 35 shines, 5 main bullet weights and in those 5 there's something that WILL work.

Yes, yet another cartridge that actually shines with minimal bullet weights in the caliber at hand.

Hawk

 

[Ragman]

Ah... isn't that MEESE?

Meeses?

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I have a Sako S/S barrel in 270
And a Tikka synthetic stock
And in the same general category
Kimber 308
300 Winchester magnum
I have enough in that category I think
..but

Oh here we go
I’d like a 257 Weatherby
7/08
30/06

Omg
Bob you are a bad influence

@Dr Ray
Mate that's good mate. A lot of people say I'm a bad effluence.

 

[hawkeyesatx]

Hey y’all!

I found an article by Dave Anderson about the 270 Winchester. It’s quite informative, especially about using a 145 gr ELD-X bullet, and its velocity out at the muzzle of being 3152 fps. He has been shooting a Weatherby Vanguard, and it has a 24 inch barrel. Plus, he uses RL-26 powder, which is one that I love, because it is produces lower pressures with higher velocities.
I’m also attaching a ballistic table of the bullet he used, and the velocity he stated.
It’s quite remarkable!

Hawk

The .270 Winchester

The .270 Winchester cartridge was introduced in 1925. A case could be made for it as the most successful American hunting cartridge of the 20th century.

gunsmagazine.com

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

Ah... isn't that MEESE?

 

[Captain David newlin]

on paper the difference between hand-loaded 7mm rem mag and hand-loaded 270 Winchester is minimal. 270 with a 150 at 2900-3050 and the 7mm with a 160 at 2950~ of a 150 at 3050-3100~. so with that in mind what would you guys rather hunt with?
edit: the 270 180 grain bullets pushes them anywhere from 2400-2550 or a 160 at 2800-2900 and 7mm rem mag is pushing a 175 around 2700-2850 if your into the heavier weight stuff for both.

Have hunted a lot with both. I far prefer the 270. 140 grain accubonds with 760 powder max loads. Chronograph 3070 average. Very accurate with a lot less recoil than 7 mm. Killed, moose, elk, a lot of deer and hogs. 15 species of African plains game. Browning a bolt with Leupold 3x9 50mm firedot.

 

[CoElkHunter]

With the exception of the 300 I believe you are correct, dimensionally. The loaded case capacities are not the same. Esp. so w/ the longer case 300.
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That's the Mags; .264, 7, 300, 338, 458 (threw my DG Fav in at the end: 416 Chatfield-Taylor! Same velocity as the Rigby, Rem and way more efficient use of that case.)

The .416 Taylor is probably my favorite .416 too. It, along with the .416 Ruger, are the most efficient .416s out there. I do love my .416 Rigby, but the felt recoil is more than my Taylor. I have never shot the Ruger, so I can't compare its recoil with the others. Since I have a .458WM and .338WM too, the brass is more easily obtained to form the Taylor brass.